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(Richard F Hall) writes:
>Dear Larry Moran:
>I must first of all thank you for taking the time actually go to the site,
>and, above all, take time to review it:
I didn't read the entire essay. I only looked at the Introduction and the
Chapter that you told us to read. From what I read there doesn't seem to
be much point in wading through the other chapters.
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>>This is a long essay called "A Measure of Truth" by Ralph Arthur Hall, MD
>>(1914-1994). Hall advocates a philosophy called "Realistic Idealism" that
>>claims to reconcile religion and science. (Any relationship between Ralph
>>Arthur Hall and Richard F. Hall?)
>Yes, I am his first born.
Cool. So this is a tribute to your father? Do you believe in Realistic
Idealism?
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>I want to say right off, that any part of Realistic Idealism
>is refutable. It is, after all, philosophy based on evidence, not dogma.
>We can be biased by dogma, however.
I pointed out one bit of "evidence" that was false. I suspect that your
father was somewhat blinded by dogma in that case.
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>>Chapter 10 ("Creation") discusses the origin of life. There isn't much on
>>magnesium and much of the science is high school level (or below).
>For those who visit, we are talking about the second half of this chapter.
>The main gist of the information on magnesium is the central role of this
>element in chlorophyll as opposed to the role of iron (fe) in a similar
>molecule.
Is this what you are referring to ... ?
"The emergence of effective amounts of oxygen in the air changed
the pH (acid content) of many rivers from alkaline to acid, but not
too acid, just enough to make iron soluble in the river water. The
bottoms of some streams that had shown in golden hues then
turned brown as the more soluble ferrous oxide (rust) appeared. The
streams and rivers then carried the iron bearing waters down
to the sea where it pushed away the magnesium bearing sea water from
the mouths of the rivers. Once in salty sea water, the iron
was thrown down to the sandy bottom where it mixed to make great beds
of iron-sand stone, the source of the brown sandstone fronts in New
York City. In the fresh water facing the sea water, iron was
face to face with magnesium.
Where the river and sea water mixed, hemoglobin became possible.
A hemoglobin bacteria was dependent on the oxygen producing
plankton out at sea. It also had a need that later became a virtue:
It had to move. Bacteria that developed to depend on hemoglobin
for their life had to swim effectively against a current to keep from
being swept to death in the magnesium areas away from the iron.
In the sea, where chlorophyll first occur-red as a greenish-brown
pigment, magnesium occurred in concentrations over sixty thousand
times that of iron.
Movement became characteristic of the hemo-globin bearing life. Some
few small species of magnesium bearing creatures did move too, but
they did not have to orient themselves against a current to
survive. As a matter of fact, most all magnesium bearing creatures
tended to become sessile and could survive in currents that
brought their cooking.net">food to them in many places in the sea. In
essence, magnesium bearing life became plants, with chlorophyll,
and iron bearing life became animals with hemoglobin."
[skip many paragraphs]
The hemoglobin bearing creatures had to stay within the iron bearing
waters at the mouth of the rivers. therefore they had to MOVE
to keep from being washed out to sea away from the soluble iron.
As we peer through a microscope in search of tiny hemoglobin
bearing life, our first probable clue is movement. We must
distinguish it from the Brownian movement which is due to buffeting
by heat and vibrations from the environment. The movements of
microscopic creature are more persistent and searching. We have
been considering movement of the total creature as it moves around
its environment. Equally significant is the movement within the
cell walls. As one observes a single cell, one may see movements
within it. This movement is due to contractile proteins and
microtubules. They function to mix the ingredients for nutritional
purposes carrying reactive substances to affector organs, and
clearing the end products of metabolism from the cell.
As evolution developed, first cartilagenous, and later bony
appendages appeared to control locomotion by acting as levers and
paddles operated by contractile proteins. The rivers, again, divided
life, necessitating the stronger bones with more calcium to
withstand the battering by turbulent streams, thus dividing our
forbearers: the bony fish, from the cartilagenous fish of the quieter
seas. Land animals in turn evolved from the bony fish of the streams
and rivers."
Almost all of this is scientific nonsense. Do you want to try and defend
it or are you just reporting what your late father wrote before he died?
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>The article continues to explore the development of these two forms of life.
>And why they are diferent.
Do you agree with your father's theory?
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>I am always pleased to learn that Jr. High and elementary school science
>has progressed so rapidly and this information has become self-evident.
>However, I somehow feel as though there is a bias being presented in your
>review..
I meant that the "level" was high school (or below). This does not mean
that the information is accurate. (It isn't.) I do have a bias. I prefer
my information to be factually correct. Your biases may be different.
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>>However, here's an interesting quotation,
>> "Sea water and life
>> Sea water has been and is an important part of animal life.
>> Animal life has never gotten away from the sea. Any {*filter*}
>> taken from any animal can be centrifuged so that the corpuscular
>> constituents are thrown down, and the super-natant fluid can be
>> poured into another container leaving the {*filter*} cells behind.
>> The supernatant fluid in turn can be treated with calcium chloride
>> which precipitates proteins as a granular sub-stance. One can
>> then separate out the granular substance by passing the solution
>> through a filter. The filtrate will then be almost identical
>> to sea water. We carry a sea sealed up inside our skins with
>> elaborate physiological mechanisms to preserve the nearly exact
>> composition of sea water."
>>The idea that the salt composition of {*filter*} plasma is identical to that of
>>sea water is an old urban legend that crops up from time to time.
>Your quote is correct, I think, but your reading skills need work. The
>quotation says "almost identical" and you continue to write a remarkable
>article to prove just how "almost identical" they are.
Your father said that when you analyze {*filter*} plasma it is "the nearly
exact composition of sea water". I said that neither the relative ratios
of the ions nor the concentrations are close to that of sea water. In
fact, I pointed out that it has been known for over seventy years that
the concentrations of ions in sea water are four times the concentration
of ions in {*filter*} plasma. Is this what you mean by "almost identical"?
Is this what your father meant by "nearly exact"?
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> Before anyone reads your review too closely, they must be aware of the
>reading skills upon which the review is based...
I am content to let readers judge for themselves. They should be
encouraged to read your father's essay to see whether I am misrepresenting
him.
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>Anyway,
>with {*filter*}, there is considerable variation between even individuals in
>exact proportions, for instance. The importance is the similarity between
>{*filter*} and warm saline solution (salt water).
Have you considered changing the name of your philosophy? Instead of
"Realistic Idealism" I suggest "Idealistic Rationalization".
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>As explorers of our universe we often have to look for similarities.
The similarities have to be real, not imagined. The data has to be correct
or it isn't evidence.
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>For example, there is a saying that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
>To a degree, this is true, yet there are those that argue over minuscule
>points in an attempt to discredit the whole process. It can also be said
>that phylogeny recapitulates paleobiology. Again there is only a vague
>similarity. We are talking about three and one half billion years, Larry.
>There are bound to be differences to occur in that amount of time..
>I can only wonder???? What is the point you are trying to make?
The point I am trying to make is that the concentration of ions in {*filter*}
plasma is not even close to that of sea water. Your facts are wrong. This
means that your father's speculations are not based on reality. What point
are you trying to make?
Larry Moran