Spider on drugs? 
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 Spider on drugs?

I once heard about an experiment where a spider was...what's the
word... 'infected'?...with {*filter*} in order to measure the their effects
on animals or something. Anyway, apperently, when the spider was on
speed, the webs it spun were totally disorganized and chaotic.  When it
was on LSD, the webs were much more intricate and detailed than
normally.
        Anyone heard of this experiment or is it nonsense?
Thanks.
--Mike.


Sat, 19 May 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?

Quote:

>I once heard about an experiment where a spider was...what's the
>word... 'infected'?...with {*filter*} in order to measure the their effects
>on animals or something. Anyway, apperently, when the spider was on
>speed, the webs it spun were totally disorganized and chaotic.  When it
>was on LSD, the webs were much more intricate and detailed than
>normally.
> Anyone heard of this experiment or is it nonsense?

Don't jump to conclusions, I have in front of me five photographs from the
same experiment. You'll find it in Time: Secrets of Inner Mind. Timelife
series. This text does not reference the research but I believe ...

Title [Intoxication
   Author [Siegel,Ronald

Does. It also has a whole series of surveys on various animals on {*filter*},
like the rat they gave a {*filter*} pellet to and it then received food. Next
time it had to press the lever twice to get the pellet, then four, then 8
... all the way up to 64, 000 presses of the lever for one pellet.

John.

Quote:
>Thanks.
>--Mike.



Sun, 20 May 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?

My recollection is that the story was in Scientific American, perhaps
30-35 years ago, and that the web spun on an acid trip was greatly
disordered...

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group


writes:

Quote:


>>I once heard about an experiment where a spider was...what's the
>>word... 'infected'?...with {*filter*} in order to measure the their
effects
>>on animals or something. Anyway, apperently, when the spider was on
>>speed, the webs it spun were totally disorganized and chaotic.  When
it
>>was on LSD, the webs were much more intricate and detailed than
>>normally.
>> Anyone heard of this experiment or is it nonsense?

>Don't jump to conclusions, I have in front of me five photographs from
the
>same experiment. You'll find it in Time: Secrets of Inner Mind.
Timelife
>series. This text does not reference the research but I believe ...

>Title [Intoxication
>   Author [Siegel,Ronald

>Does. It also has a whole series of surveys on various animals on
{*filter*},
>like the rat they gave a {*filter*} pellet to and it then received food.
Next
>time it had to press the lever twice to get the pellet, then four,
then 8
>... all the way up to 64, 000 presses of the lever for one pellet.

>John.

>>Thanks.
>>--Mike.



Mon, 21 May 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?

After posting my reply re spiders on acid (a different recollection
than yours) I looked over the bit on working for {*filter*} and decided to
add this (a bit more recent): poster at Society for Neuroscience
meeting last month, but also already published in _Science_
1998,282,298-300, Ahmed SH & Koob, GF.

Rats pumping for {*filter*} infusion allowed only one hour access per
session developed a habit, but only thoose give 6 hours access per
session showed "progression" of their {*filter*}ion (i.e. gradually
increasing tthe amount they pumped).

After enforced abstinence for 35 days (a very LONG rat "detox"), both
groups of rats pumped at the same rate as the "non-progressed" rats
did, i.e. relatively little, for the first couple of sessions of their
"relapse"--but in subsequent sessions the rats who had shown
"progression" previously had a MUCH greater progression than before,
much more rapidly and to a much higher level.

(This accords with reports from AA and NA members who have relapsed or
"slipped" after a period of abstinence)

Results were interpreted in terms of an altered "hedonic set
point"--the rats were trying to get a better high...

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.  
New York Neuropsychology Group


writes:

Quote:


>>I once heard about an experiment where a spider was...what's the
>>word... 'infected'?...with {*filter*} in order to measure the their
effects
>>on animals or something. Anyway, apperently, when the spider was on
>>speed, the webs it spun were totally disorganized and chaotic.  When
it
>>was on LSD, the webs were much more intricate and detailed than
>>normally.
>> Anyone heard of this experiment or is it nonsense?

>Don't jump to conclusions, I have in front of me five photographs from
the
>same experiment. You'll find it in Time: Secrets of Inner Mind.
Timelife
>series. This text does not reference the research but I believe ...

>Title [Intoxication
>   Author [Siegel,Ronald

>Does. It also has a whole series of surveys on various animals on
{*filter*},
>like the rat they gave a {*filter*} pellet to and it then received food.
Next
>time it had to press the lever twice to get the pellet, then four,
then 8
>... all the way up to 64, 000 presses of the lever for one pellet.

>John.

>>Thanks.
>>--Mike.



Mon, 21 May 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Spider on drugs?

Quote:

>My recollection is that the story was in Scientific American, perhaps
>30-35 years ago, and that the web spun on an acid trip was greatly
>disordered...

The experiment is mentioned in "Psychedelics Encyclopedia (3rd Ed.)" by
Peter Stafford. There are five pictures, one normal, and then four where the
spider (of the species "Zilla-x-notata Cl"(?)) was fed drug-dosed flies.

The {*filter*} were haschish, LSD, caffeine and mescaline sulfate; the
caffeine-net is very chaotic, and the LSD-net is ..not disordered, the
spider has just not bothered to spin very much. :-)

References in the text: "Die Wirkung von Substanzen auf den Netzbau der
Spinne als biologischer Test (Peter Witt, Berlin 1956)".

Kristian
---
You haven't become {*filter*}ed, have you Cole..
            ..to that dying world?



Mon, 21 May 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 
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