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 Migaines & Autism

        An interesting thought has occured to me.  I hope that people will not
be too offended by this message, or my cross posting it, I thought it
was important, since I don't think anyone has ever investigated this,
and it could have important implications. There are some simularities
between people with migraines and autistic people.  These iclude:

* The so called "migraine personality" theory (which states that
migraine suffers are more likely to be obsessive, perfectionistic, and
perhaps less social) is similar to the to the concept of the "broder
phenotype" of autism.  While both these theories are contriversial and
reasearch on them has mixed results, it is still interesting.

* Both people with migrains and autistic people are said to have higher
incidences of:
        - Epilepsy
        - Depression
        - and Anxiety

* There is a lot of evidence that there is some abnormal visual
processing in migraine patients, and that migraineurs often are
sensitive to certian visual patterns, which they find adversive.
"Sensory issues" of various types and severities are are usually found
in autistic individuals.

* Autistic people are often believed to have an overly reactive cortex
and/or brainstem.  Migraines are also believed to involve cortical
oversensitivity, especially in the occipital lobe.

* The autistic phenomena reffered to as "shut-down" often have many
simularities to auras. (Other have compared them to seizures.)  I am not
nessicarily implying they are the same thing (though *some* shut downs
may actually be auras without headache), but they could be related,
and/or (as I just said parenthetically) have some overlap.

* I have no idea how many autistic people experience migraine -- I've
never asked most of the ones I know.  I do know that *some* do, as I did
frequently as a child.

        The point of all this:  Some scientist out there (presumably with more
time and resources than I) should really do a study on the prevalence of
migraine in autistic individuals.  As a former (and I hope not future)
migraine sufferer, as well as a high-functioning autistic person, I can
imagine that non-verbal child with a migraine would be very distressed
with no way of tell what the problem was.  (I'm not sure how you would
detect the headache, but this really could be a cause of otherwise
unexplained distress in a non-verbal person.)  Anyway, thats the point,
and I hope not to get to many flames for this message.  I doubt anyone
will disagree that *migraines* should be treated.

Jared.

PS: People wanting to discuss this in detail on any of the for lists
might want to erase or edit the cross posting, so that it doesn't wander
to far off topic for any list -- many people have a bad habit of
forgetting this (sometimes even me).



Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

(snipped)

All of the above!!

I have always found it interesting that I had my first migraine when I was
pregnant with my son -- about 3-5 months along.  I rarely have an aura, but
when I do, I know this one is gonna be a lulu and I better get to a safe
place fast.  Usually have one or more a week.

The discussion under "fluorescent lights" is so familiar.  I've had visual
disturbances from light filtering through the trees while driving that made
me think I had struck a person who was on the curb.  Many times.  I've
always stopped and check for an animal or person, but there is none there.
My brain just registered a shadow like a figure, and then you go across
uneven pavement or a bump -- my heart sinks from fear each time.  My
ophthalmologist thought I was a little off when I try to explain what
happens.

Gemmom



Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

Quote:

>         An interesting thought has occured to me.  I hope that people will not
> be too offended by this message, or my cross posting it, I thought it
> was important, since I don't think anyone has ever investigated this,
> and it could have important implications. There are some simularities
> between people with migraines and autistic people.  These iclude:

> * The so called "migraine personality" theory (which states that
> migraine suffers are more likely to be obsessive, perfectionistic, and
> perhaps less social) is similar to the to the concept of the "broder
> phenotype" of autism.  While both these theories are contriversial and
> reasearch on them has mixed results, it is still interesting.

> * Both people with migrains and autistic people are said to have higher
> incidences of:
>         - Epilepsy
>         - Depression
>         - and Anxiety

I don't have one of these three. There was a period a few years ago,
that I often got migraine, because of drinking too much coffee at work,
and going out of bed lately in the weekend. Then I wake up with a
head-ache. Paracetamol gets me rid of that head-ache within a few hours.

Quote:
> * There is a lot of evidence that there is some abnormal visual
> processing in migraine patients, and that migraineurs often are
> sensitive to certian visual patterns, which they find adversive.
> "Sensory issues" of various types and severities are are usually found
> in autistic individuals.

I am sensible to light, strong and especially terrible smells and
magnetism of the Earth. If I look at the north, the migraine increases a
bit.

Quote:
> * Autistic people are often believed to have an overly reactive cortex
> and/or brainstem.  Migraines are also believed to involve cortical
> oversensitivity, especially in the occipital lobe.

That is possible. But the last few years, migraine seems to be
disappearing. I am not often in bed anymore with a strong and awful
head-ache!

Quote:
> * I have no idea how many autistic people experience migraine -- I've
> never asked most of the ones I know.  I do know that *some* do, as I did
> frequently as a child.

See my experiences above.

Quote:
>         The point of all this:  Some scientist out there (presumably with more
> time and resources than I) should really do a study on the prevalence of
> migraine in autistic individuals.  As a former (and I hope not future)
> migraine sufferer, as well as a high-functioning autistic person, I can
> imagine that non-verbal child with a migraine would be very distressed
> with no way of tell what the problem was.  (I'm not sure how you would
> detect the headache, but this really could be a cause of otherwise
> unexplained distress in a non-verbal person.)  Anyway, thats the point,
> and I hope not to get to many flames for this message.  I doubt anyone
> will disagree that *migraines* should be treated.

I cannot remember that I often had head-ache or migraine when I was a
child. I had a period after getting 20 years old, when that often
happened. Now I am 32, and the migraine has got much softer and more
bearable.

Hans Kamp.



Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

Quote:

,
>e.g. confusional migraine (of which transient global amnesia may be a
>variant), a particular type of hemiplegia, and some cases of vertigo.

Could you briefly explain confusional migraine?  Transient global amnesia?
What symptoms might manifest in either type of headache?

Thanks.  I am just learning.  Who knows when I might find this useful.



Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

The comparison sounds a bit stretched, but let me help you out in one
respect: migrainous phenomena do not necessarily involve headache.
This is the most widely recognized manifestation, but the mechanism
underlying migraine headache may underly some other episodic phenomena,
e.g. confusional migraine (of which transient global amnesia may be a
variant), a particular type of hemiplegia, and some cases of vertigo.

In the case of migraine headache, at least the mechanism may involve
spreading cortical depression (of Leao?); don't know if this works for
related conditions (hard to imagine SCD in the brainstem, for example).

In individual cases, the association may be simply comorbidity with
migraine, and in others actual concurrent symptoms (i.e. headache and
the other manifestation).  Thus, inability to report an actual headache
doesn't necessarily disallow such an explanation.

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group


Quote:

>    An interesting thought has occured to me.  I hope that people
will not
>be too offended by this message, or my cross posting it, I thought it
>was important, since I don't think anyone has ever investigated this,
>and it could have important implications. There are some simularities
>between people with migraines and autistic people.  These iclude:

>* The so called "migraine personality" theory (which states that
>migraine suffers are more likely to be obsessive, perfectionistic, and
>perhaps less social) is similar to the to the concept of the "broder
>phenotype" of autism.  While both these theories are contriversial and
>reasearch on them has mixed results, it is still interesting.

>* Both people with migrains and autistic people are said to have
higher
>incidences of:
>    - Epilepsy
>    - Depression
>    - and Anxiety

>* There is a lot of evidence that there is some abnormal visual
>processing in migraine patients, and that migraineurs often are
>sensitive to certian visual patterns, which they find adversive.
>"Sensory issues" of various types and severities are are usually found
>in autistic individuals.

>* Autistic people are often believed to have an overly reactive cortex
>and/or brainstem.  Migraines are also believed to involve cortical
>oversensitivity, especially in the occipital lobe.

>* The autistic phenomena reffered to as "shut-down" often have many
>simularities to auras. (Other have compared them to seizures.)  I am
not
>nessicarily implying they are the same thing (though *some* shut downs
>may actually be auras without headache), but they could be related,
>and/or (as I just said parenthetically) have some overlap.

>* I have no idea how many autistic people experience migraine -- I've
>never asked most of the ones I know.  I do know that *some* do, as I
did
>frequently as a child.

>    The point of all this:  Some scientist out there (presumably with
more
>time and resources than I) should really do a study on the prevalence
of
>migraine in autistic individuals.  As a former (and I hope not future)
>migraine sufferer, as well as a high-functioning autistic person, I
can
>imagine that non-verbal child with a migraine would be very distressed
>with no way of tell what the problem was.  (I'm not sure how you would
>detect the headache, but this really could be a cause of otherwise
>unexplained distress in a non-verbal person.)  Anyway, thats the
point,
>and I hope not to get to many flames for this message.  I doubt anyone
>will disagree that *migraines* should be treated.

>Jared.

>PS: People wanting to discuss this in detail on any of the for lists
>might want to erase or edit the cross posting, so that it doesn't
wander
>to far off topic for any list -- many people have a bad habit of
>forgetting this (sometimes even me).



Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

Quote:

> The comparison sounds a bit stretched, but let me help you out in one
> respect: migrainous phenomena do not necessarily involve headache.

    Perhaps -- but its at least worth a prevalence study, in case there is
some slight genetic or neurological relation between their predisposing
factor -- even in subset of a population or only significant in one
direction.  I'd do it myself, if I had access to subjects and a good,
practical way to make certain of proper diagnosis for all of them.  After all
no one has ever investigated it -- it ought to be worth a pilot to determine
if more study is warranted.

Jared.



Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Migaines & Autism

Quote:




Quote:

>,
>>e.g. confusional migraine (of which transient global amnesia may be a
>>variant), a particular type of hemiplegia, and some cases of vertigo.

>Could you briefly explain confusional migraine?  Transient global
amnesia?
>What symptoms might manifest in either type of headache?

>Thanks.  I am just learning.  Who knows when I might find this useful.

Confusional migraine manifests itself as confusion, disorientation,
etc.

Transient global amnesia involves some confusion as well, but perhaps
only secondary to the bewildering experience of not being able to
remember where one is or how one got there or (for a while) what has
been happening during this experience (so the patient may ask
repeatedly "where am I?", "who are you?" and not remember the answer
that was given just minutes before).

I think I made the point, perhaps overlooked, that there need not be
any headache involved in either case. (Indeed, some had tried to
explain TGA in terrms of posterior circulation TIA--transient ischemic
attack--and perhaps some still do).

In the case of migrainous vertigo there is a connection with headache
in that people with vertigo (and other causes ruled out) are very
likely to have migraine headaches--but not necessarily at the same time
that they have the vertigo.  Favorable response to anti-migraine
treatments further help to characterize this as a migrainous
phenomenon.

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group



Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 
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