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I need some advice. Im a 2nd year reident in emergency medicine. As a medical
student I was torn between EM and Psychiatry( I especially enjoyed liason
psych) I have always been passionate about the mind/brain and have a backround
in philosophy of mind. Im basically a cerebral, ruminative sort who also has a
hands on - mechanically inclined, problem/solution oriented - side as well. I
choose EM in an attempt to actualize the latter rather than the former.
A lot of this had to do with my perceptions about the respective job markets (i
intend to remain in new york city area) as well as the need for lots of free
time to accomodate my involvement with music( I am a jazz clarinetist), as well
as various other creative/humanistic diversions. I am begining to feel however
that I have made a mistake.I sorely miss idea/concept oriented subject matter
and grey areas.  I am tired of collegues who are only reflective when
disscussing football and I just dont get as e{*filter*}d by codes trauma and
antibiotics as I think I should. I find myself again toying with the idea of
switching to psy. The devil advocates in my life tell me to stay with it. They
argue that no other field will provide me a decent paycheck for working 10
shifts a month.  Am I crazy or clearheaded?
Joseph Peter Cannavo MD


Mon, 03 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 MD needs advice!

Dr. Cannavo,
You know what you would rather be doing.  What is the likelihood of applying for a
residency in psychiatry?  Have you thought about neurology and neuroscience
research ?

Ed Modestino

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Mon, 03 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
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No doubt about it, NYC has a relative surplus of psychiatrists (and
psychologists) compared to other regions, BUT there is always a certain
amount of turnover...

Psychiatry is notoriously labor-intensive (as is Pediatrics), so not as
lucrative as some other medical specialties--although there are those
who do "psychopharmacology" on an assembly-line basis...

The real question is, however, what makes your life worth living on a
day-to-day basis?  What would you be willing to do even if you were NOT
paid to do it?

Given a stronger hard-core medical background than many psychiatrists,
"consultation-liaison" psychiatry in a hospital setting might make
sense; i.e., you would have a good background to keep in mind and deal
with general medical aspects of your patient, AND (very important in
this setting) deal with your patients' primary physicians.

If you're interested in neuroscience aspects, take a look at my posting
on "Bilingual Brains", regarding a presentation at The New York Academy
of Sciences, the evenning of March 30.

Oh--I forgot: you're a resident.  EM resident, at that.  No doubt you
need any spare time you can get just to sleep!

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group


Quote:
(JPCannavo) writes:

>I need some advice. Im a 2nd year reident in emergency medicine. As a
medical
>student I was torn between EM and Psychiatry( I especially enjoyed
liason
>psych) I have always been passionate about the mind/brain and have a
backround
>in philosophy of mind. Im basically a cerebral, ruminative sort who
also has a
>hands on - mechanically inclined, problem/solution oriented - side as
well. I
>choose EM in an attempt to actualize the latter rather than the
former.
>A lot of this had to do with my perceptions about the respective job
markets (i
>intend to remain in new york city area) as well as the need for lots
of free
>time to accomodate my involvement with music( I am a jazz

clarinetist), as well

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Quote:
>as various other creative/humanistic diversions. I am begining to feel
however
>that I have made a mistake.I sorely miss idea/concept oriented subject
matter
>and grey areas.  I am tired of collegues who are only reflective when
>disscussing football and I just dont get as e{*filter*}d by codes trauma
and
>antibiotics as I think I should. I find myself again toying with the
idea of
>switching to psy. The devil advocates in my life tell me to stay with
it. They
>argue that no other field will provide me a decent paycheck for
working 10
>shifts a month.  Am I crazy or clearheaded?
>Joseph Peter Cannavo MD



Tue, 04 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 MD needs advice!

Quote:
(JPCannavo) writes:
> I am begining to feel however
>that I have made a mistake.I sorely miss idea/concept oriented subject matter
>and grey areas.  I am tired of collegues who are only reflective when
>disscussing football and I just dont get as e{*filter*}d by codes trauma and
>antibiotics as I think I should. I find myself again toying with the idea of
>switching to psy. The devil advocates in my life tell me to stay with it.
>They
>argue that no other field will provide me a decent paycheck for working 10
>shifts a month.  Am I crazy or clearheaded?

Is this something that is singular in your yearning for a life change? or is
this part of a grass is always greener tendency to want to jump from thing to
thing....  Tell me about your mother....  Sorry,  I'll get serious.

As a psychiatrist who loves the field,  I say go for it.   But be prepared for
the following:

1) shrinks are often not as cerebral or reflective as they have a reputation
for being.  Some are (I'm an intellectual geek, myself),  but don't always
expect sparkling philosphical conversations with your colleagues.  You get real
intellectuals sometimes,  but I was very disappointed to discover they're not
so common.

2)  You LIKE paperwork?   I mean REALLY like paperwork?   With the new Medicare
rules, you discover that the Federal Goverment really HATES the mentally ill,
and if they make the shrinks write 3 minutes for every minute spent  actually
seeing an inpatient,  the shrinks will go away and the mentally ill will then
stop bothering them.  I suppose it's getting that way in all fields,  but in
psychiatry it's ridiculous.

3)  I suppose you see the mentally ill at their worst in the ER,  so it
shouldn't be a surprise when you get a borderline trying to hold you hostage
with her threats of self-destruction.  Actually,  borderline treatment is
pretty good "sport" if you have the right approach.  (Like the cardiologist I
had as an intern  who told me during a code,  "Look at this:  good sport!
Choose your sport.")   So, choose your sport.   Psychiatry is sort of like a
nice game of pen-pal chess.  Unless you do borderlines,  which more resembles
the Cuban Missle Crisis.

Pay:  not going up right now...   $120-150K,  (more if you're a workaholic or
are unethical) in places that don't have too many shrinks per square inch.
Less in places that have a funky vibe   (SF,  New Mexico),  or exude power (DC,
NY),  or any big metro area.  $200K if you don't mind working in the prison
system (Ohio prisons,  anyway).

Workload?   you can do 40-48  hour work-weeks if you really make the necessary
choices.  Like any field,  there's always more work to do if you let it dictate
to you.

It can be hectic,  and empathy is hard to dole out on a production line,  but
if you really want to hear what your patients are saying,  they will know it.
Besides,  You should understand hectic.

Good luck,

-Bolt



Tue, 04 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 MD needs advice!
I appreciate your thoughts. Perhaps the grass is greener. All I want is the
free time to return to the intellectual/musician I was before medical school
swallowed my trime and mental energy. Im lucky that EM is a great field for
those who only want to work minimal hours.
I also must say, I enjoy exercising my people/ percpetion skills with
patients...I do listen...your rightr they always know...and I love ED psych
cases. Thanks again for your comments.     Joe
Joseph Peter Cannavo MD


Wed, 05 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 MD needs advice!

Quote:

<snip>

>3)  I suppose you see the mentally ill at their worst in the ER,  so it
>shouldn't be a surprise when you get a borderline trying to hold you hostage
>with her threats of self-destruction.  Actually,  borderline treatment is
>pretty good "sport" if you have the right approach.  (Like the cardiologist I
>had as an intern  who told me during a code,  "Look at this:  good sport!
>Choose your sport.")   So, choose your sport.   Psychiatry is sort of like a
>nice game of pen-pal chess.  Unless you do borderlines,  which more resembles
>the Cuban Missle Crisis.

Please be a little more respectful of your clients.  It is hard for people
to seek profesional help for their mental health problems.  It may be
particularly hard for those with Axis II disorders to seek and therefore
get the help that they need given the reputation that these disorders
carry in the general public.  But, all the more so when those from whom
they are supposed to get help, publicly regard them with so little respect
and compassion.  

Quote:

<snip>
>Good luck,

>-Bolt

--

"Pain is."          -Black Visions


Fri, 07 Sep 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 
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