Who knows about magnetic therapy?
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John Patrick Lestra
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 Who knows about magnetic therapy? Is there a newsgroup where the participants are more likely to be
discussing those magnet belts and other alternative "medecine"?
thanks
JP
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| Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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F. Frank LeFev
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Try alt.california, bionet.nuttyscience, etc.
F. LeFever
Quote: Patrick Lestrade) writes: >Is there a newsgroup where the participants are more likely to be
>discussing those magnet belts and other alternative "medecine"?
>thanks
>JP
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| Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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K
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Who knows about magnetic therapy?
Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields applied
in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success for
depression.
Kieren
Quote: >Try alt.california, bionet.nuttyscience, etc.
>F. LeFever
>Patrick Lestrade) writes:
>>Is there a newsgroup where the participants are more likely to be
>>discussing those magnet belts and other alternative "medecine"?
>>thanks
>>JP
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| Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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Larry Bras
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Quote:
> Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
> Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields applied
> in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success for
> depression.
Yes, that is right and it is called TMS - Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. Very new, still being researched, appears very safe and probably effective in depression. No anaesthetic need and no major side-effects, like ECT has. --
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| Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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d..
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? So, I guess Mesmer had it right all this time...damn, and to think that I threw away our antique home magnet kit. On a separate, though tangentially related topic, has anyone looked at
the cumulative or longterm effects of MRI? The magnetic fields
generated in these doughnuts are close to 30,000 times the Earth
gravitational field...and having all your hydrogen atoms turn and fall
in tune with the magnetic field is intuitively not a good thing
(unless, of course, the neoplasm you're being tested for is worse).
What kind of FDA approval do MRI machines have to go through?
And, using the original post's logic, shouldn't radiologists be the
happiest professionals on the Earth? Depression, free?
Just wondering,
Jeff B.
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>> Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
>> Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields applied
>> in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success for
>> depression.
>Yes, that is right and it is called TMS - Transcranial Magnetic
>Stimulation. Very new, still being researched, appears very safe and
>probably effective in depression. No anaesthetic need and no major
>side-effects, like ECT has.
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| Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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F. Frank LeFev
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Transcranial magnetic stimulation is something I've known about for
MANY years (one of the earliest investigators, Cracco, spoke at one of
our NYNG meetings). Recently, very specific applications (most recent
I've seen used 20Hz, at right prefrontal cortex) have shown promise in
relieving depression, with fewer side effects than ECT.
None of this has any relevance to the magnetic bracelets and such
nonsense being rather cynically marketed at "health" stores and plain
old drug stores.
It's as if someone had heard that "chemotherapy" was useful for
treating cancer, read that processed foods contained "chemicals", and
decided it would be good to bathe in canned chicken soup. Or heard
that "radiation" was used also, read that lightbulbs emitted
"radiation" and so decided to sit for hours under a lighted bulb...
F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group
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>Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
>Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields applied
>in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success for
>depression.
>Kieren
>>Try alt.california, bionet.nuttyscience, etc.
>>F. LeFever
>>Patrick Lestrade) writes:
>>>Is there a newsgroup where the participants are more likely to be
>>>discussing those magnet belts and other alternative "medecine"?
>>>thanks
>>>JP
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| Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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Mark Mori
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Quote:
> > Is there a newsgroup where the participants are more likely to be
> > discussing those magnet belts and other alternative "medecine"?
> My web page has a link or two to sites on TMS> Under the Medicine
> section. I also have a depression/;manic depression mialing list you are
> free to join. Our members seeem to want to tgalk about alternative
> treatments. The last thing to say is to try and call Alvaro Pascual
> Leone, a leading Harvard researcher on the subject. I don't have a phone
> number handy but try calling him at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.
> Good luck,
> Cathy
Alvaro's vita, address and one phone number is listed at: http://www.***.com/ ;It's not his phone number but ask to be transferred to him. Better yet, use
http://www.***.com/
to leave a message for him. The odds of you actually reaching him by phone are
exceptionally slim and, to be honest, you can get a more efficient description of
what's going on by reading some of his articles. To be honest, I don't know where
the above link points to. The page is new as I hadn't seen it when I was updating
the pages from the behavi{*filter*}neurology unit.
mark
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| Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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Soda
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Quote:
>> Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
>> Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields applied
>> in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success for
>> depression.
>Yes, that is right and it is called TMS - Transcranial Magnetic
>Stimulation. Very new, still being researched, appears very safe and
>probably effective in depression. No anaesthetic need and no major
>side-effects, like ECT has.
TMI (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) is NOT "magnetic therapy". The term "Magnetic" in the name refers to the means by which TMI is able to non-invasively generate a small electrical current in any selected location/s of the cerebral cortex (the brain's outermost layer, closest to the cranial bones). Magnetism is something routinely exploited to generate electricity, whatever and wherever its application (e.g. the electricity that flows into your house is generated using magnetism; the electricity from your car's alternator is generated using magnetism, etc...etc...). Involvement of magnetism per se in TMI, is meaningless in terms of any 'endowment' of 'therapeutic properties'. For anyone who wants to learn more about TMI (including it's experimental use in the treatment of depression), see the following Web sites: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.transcranial.html
http://www.musc.edu/tmsmirror/TMSresrc.html
Sodah
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| Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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F. Frank LeFev
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Cathy somebody emailed to me a request that I clarify my response to
her. Although I doubted it would be helpful, I did write her a lengthy
clarification--which bounced back "fatal flaw in address".
I hope she reads Sodah's reply (v. infra) and modifies her website
accordingly; it may be accessed by desperate people who need help, not
further confusion and obfuscation, much less what appears to be at
least tacit endor{*filter*}t of a scam.
F. LeFever
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>>> Be fair, I remember reading in the scientific press (probably New
>>> Scientist, possibly Nature) about the use of magnetic fields
applied
>>> in in a similar manner to electricity with ECT with some success
for
>>> depression.
>>Yes, that is right and it is called TMS - Transcranial Magnetic
>>Stimulation. Very new, still being researched, appears very safe and
>>probably effective in depression. No anaesthetic need and no major
>>side-effects, like ECT has.
>TMI (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) is NOT "magnetic therapy".
The term
>"Magnetic" in the name refers to the means by which TMI is able to
>non-invasively generate a small electrical current in any selected
>location/s of the cerebral cortex (the brain's outermost layer,
closest to
>the cranial bones). Magnetism is something routinely exploited to
generate
>electricity, whatever and wherever its application (e.g. the
electricity
>that flows into your house is generated using magnetism; the
electricity
>from your car's alternator is generated using magnetism,
etc...etc...).
>Involvement of magnetism per se in TMI, is meaningless in terms of any
>'endowment' of 'therapeutic properties'. For anyone who wants to
learn more
>about TMI (including it's experimental use in the treatment of
depression),
>see the following Web sites:
> http://www.***.com/
> http://www.***.com/
>Sodah
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| Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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Bob Oli
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? While walking the dog, our 150 lb Rottwieler, my wife came upon a yard with
a chain link fence. Behind the fence was a big Husky who began barking very
disrespectful things. Our dog, Bud, put up with it almost to the end of the
fence and then suddenly attacked, dragging my wife across the road. When
she regained control, she notice that her back was strained. Her left arm
started going numb. In an attempt to find relief, she visited general
practicioners, neurologests, acupunctureists, chiropracters, etc. No one
could help. An x-ray revield a slightly herniated disk in the neck. She
finally tried the magnets. They worked!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
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| Sat, 11 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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F. Frank LeFev
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? And if she had prayed to St. Jude, she'd believe that THIS worked.
"Slightly herniated" disks are found in people with and without
syumptoms. Most back pain resolves in time with or without
treatment--magnetic belts, St.Jude, PT, or whatever.
If lightning strikes one person wearing a red hat, one says
coincidence. If one randomly assigns 10 people to wear red hats and 10
people to wear green hats, and subsequently the only one to get struck
is wearing a red hat, one BEGINS to suspect the color of the hats is
important.
Do you know of any controlled, double-blind studies of magnetic belts?
Does anyone? Please post and/or email me citations.
It is well known that "tension" in the emotional sense can influence
muskuloskeletal pain (tension in the "muscle" sense is often involved).
It may be that her faith in the magnetic belts relieved one kind of
tension, and thereby the other, etc... But do not discount simple
passage of time.
F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group
Quote: >While walking the dog, our 150 lb Rottwieler, my wife came upon a yard
with
>a chain link fence. Behind the fence was a big Husky who began
barking very
>disrespectful things. Our dog, Bud, put up with it almost to the end
of the
>fence and then suddenly attacked, dragging my wife across the road.
When
>she regained control, she notice that her back was strained. Her left
arm
>started going numb. In an attempt to find relief, she visited general
>practicioners, neurologests, acupunctureists, chiropracters, etc. No
one
>could help. An x-ray revield a slightly herniated disk in the neck.
She
>finally tried the magnets. They worked!!!!!!!!!!
>Bob
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| Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:00:00 GMT |
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R.O.
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Who knows about magnetic therapy? Quote:
>And if she had prayed to St. Jude, she'd believe that THIS worked.
>"Slightly herniated" disks are found in people with and without
>syumptoms. Most back pain resolves in time with or without
>treatment--magnetic belts, St.Jude, PT, or whatever.
I'm too busy pouring concrete foundations to do many double blind studies, but I can assure you that my wife is the ultimate skeptic and only her discomfort kept her trying things. I recently tripped when jumping a power trench and did a shoulder roll
landing on my feet. I am 48, and was thinking, "not bad for an old dude".
But the next morning the shoulder hurt and continued to hurt for days until
the wife taped on one of her magnets. Next day-no pain. Before you
discount this to hysteria or belief in the {*filter*} Mary, take your worst
chronic ahowie and tape a magnet to it. What have you got to loose? You
don't even have to tell anyone, in case some of your friends (the ones that
know it all) might snicker. Seems they snickered about folic acid about 20
years ago.
Bob
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