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 Does anyone know if this will work?

I have come to the experts for help......

        I have a file on the production of desoxyephedrine.  Does
anyone know if this really will work?  I've recieved e-mail stating
something about a difference between the main active chemical in Vicks
nasal sprays and how it isnt what is required to make the product.  I've
enclosed the file for anyone to review and pass judgement on.  I would
greatly appreciate any assistance that would elaviate the need for self
experimentation.
THANX

                           THE TRIED AND TRUE
                       HOME PRODUCTION METHOD FOR
                            "METHAMPHETAMINE"

                             By: The Leftist

Also known as:"CRYSTAL","METH","CRANK","SPEED" etc..........

List of chemicals and materials:

Dilute Hydrochloric acid-->  This may be purchased at the hardware store.
Its sold as a brick and driveway cleaner.  They call it muriatic acid.

Sodium Hydroxide-->  This, you probably already have.  Its called "lye" at most
places, its drain cleaner.

Ethyl Ether--> You'll probably have to make this. Don't worry, its a breeze.
Just go to your local K-mart or Auto parts store, and get a can of that
"STARTING FLUID" it comes in a spray can.  Its used for cold weather starting
of gasoline engines.

"VICKS" Nasal Inhalers-->  USE ONLY VICKS!!  No other kind will work that I
know of.  These are at any drug store or grocery, etc.  You need 12 of 'em, but
don't buy 'em by the dozen.  Unless its wintertime, then you can just say
you're from some nursing home, and your stockin' up for the patients. Otherwise
buy 'em 2 at a time,if possible. Get a friend to help you. The druggists at the
drug store usually will know whats goin on if you buy quantity.

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                           LIST OF EQUIPMENT

Two large eyedroppers
Ten small glass bottles
One large glass or porcelin bowl
Coffee filters
One small jar with a top
One pyrex baking dish
One glass test tube
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                       -==*(> N O T I C E <)*==-

PLEASE! DONT SMOKE IN THE SAME ROOM WHEN YOU DO THIS. OPEN A WINDOW IN THE ROOM
IF POSSIBLE FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY. THIS RECIPE HAS BEEN TESTED AND
THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. DON'T TAKE SHORTCUTS, AND DON'T EVEN START TO DO
THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE ABOUT 3 HOURS SPARE.
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                           PREPARING ETHER!
(DO THIS FIRST)

Take one of the small bottles,and spray starter fluid in it till it looks
half-full. then fill the rest of the way with water, cap the bottle and shake
for 5 minutes. Then, draw off the top layer with the eyedropper, and throw away
the water layer. repeat this until you have about 3 oz. of ether. put the cap
on it, and put it in the refrigerator if you can.(if you cant, dont worry about
it) youll use this in the procedure below.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

           THE TRIED AND TRUE HOME PRODUCTION METHOD

(1) Break open the inhalers, a pair of real sharp scissors does this good.
Place the cottens that were inside in a jar and close the lid.(remember you use
all 12 cottens.)

(2) In the bowl, combine 1- 1/3 oz. water and 2/3 oz. muriatic acid.Shred
cottens in this solution, and knead for 5 minutes with hands.(ALWAYS BE SURE
THERES CLEAN {*filter*} GLOVES on your hands.) you can do it barehanded if youve
got tough skin.Squeeze all juice out of filters after you knead,and throw em
away.

(3) Filter the remaining liquid into the quart jar. It will be neccasary to do
this several times to get that awful smelling oil out. The chemicals in the
inhalers have been bonded to the Hcl, and the oils have been filtered off.
throw the filters away.

(4) Pour enough of the solution into a small bottle  to fill it 1/3 full. save
any leftover juice for the second batch.

(5) Pour 1/4 teaspoon of the lyle crystal into the bottle and agitate.Do this
step until the mixture remains cloudy.  

(6) Fill the bottle from step (5) up the rest of the way with Ether.Cap the
bottle, and agitate for about 8 minutes. It is very important to expose every
molecule of the free-base to the Ether for as long as possible.

(7) Let the mixture settle. There will be a middle layer that is very thick.
tap the side of the bottle to get this layer as thin as possible.

(8) Remove the top layer with the eyedropper, being careful not to get any of
the middle layer in it. Save the ether and throw the rest away.

(9) Fill a bottle half-way with water and about 10 drops of Hcl. pour the top
layer that you saved, and shake for about 2 minutes.when it settles, remove the
top layer, and throw the top layer away. The free base has now been bonded with
the Hcl in the water.

(10) if theres any juice left from step (3), repeat the process with that.

(11) Evaporate the solution in the pyrex dish, using low heat. The slower you
evaporate the solution, the better. Ive found, that placing it on top of a hot
water heater works best.

The crystals that remain are pure meth-amphetamine hydrochloride. (synonymous
with desoxyephidrine hydrochloride)

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NOTES: It's a good idea to do this when your not {*filter*}ed up. desoxyephedrine is
the same thing as meth-amphetamine, just different names. Wash your hands
thoroughly, and use {*filter*} gloves. Don't wash your hands with soap, then go
stickin' your fingers in this stuff.  Soap will have a neutralizing effect on
this process.

This stuff is real good. Don't do too much you can overdose if you take too
much. The best way to do this stuff if you don't mainline is to take a ball a
little bit smaller than a pea, and put it in a asprin capsule and swallow that.
Or else snort the crystal, you may want to cut it with vitamin b-12 or mannitol
before you do this.  When buying the inhalers, look for the exp. date. Dont buy
real old inhalers, or try to improve this recipe unless you know how to do it.
12 inhalers is all you need dont use more than 12. Its best to throw all the
wastes into the same bag and dispose of it properly. this shit is so smelly
youll get busted by mom if ya dont. Be safe, and dont get busted with the shit.
they WILL put you in jail for possesion, in case you didn't know.



Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:56:23 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?
|> I have come to the experts for help......
|>
|>   I have a file on the production of desoxyephedrine.  Does
|> anyone know if this really will work?  I've recieved e-mail stating
|> something about a difference between the main active chemical in Vicks
|> nasal sprays and how it isnt what is required to make the product.  I've
|> enclosed the file for anyone to review and pass judgement on.  I would
|> greatly appreciate any assistance that would elaviate the need for self
|> experimentation.
|> THANX
|>
|>                            THE TRIED AND TRUE
|>                        HOME PRODUCTION METHOD FOR
|>                             "METHAMPHETAMINE"
|>
|>                              By: The Leftist
|>
|> Also known as:"CRYSTAL","METH","CRANK","SPEED" etc..........
|>
                       [ article deleted ]

How the hell did this {*filter*}get on the Internet?

I hope someone in law enforcement has seen this and is going to nail this creep.
Either that or I hope he and his compatriots die in an explosion  with the ether.  

Here's to you jerks being incredibly stupid really soon!  Do us a favor and turn yourselves into the police and get yourselves some help.

Peter



Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:31:26 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?


Quote:
>|>[RE: ]  THE TRIED AND TRUE HOME PRODUCTION METHOD FOR "METHAMPHETAMINE"
>                       [ article deleted ]
>How the hell did this {*filter*}get on the Internet?

The same way anything gets on an unmoderated newsgroup, somebody posted it!
Were you under the false impression that somebody censors this stuff??

Quote:
>I hope someone in law enforcement has seen this and is going to nail this creep.

For what, transmitting information?  Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?
This may be bad/stupid information, but do you really think it's a crime?
Apparently, you've never subscribed to alt.{*filter*}, you'd be SHOCKED!!




Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:09:02 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?


|> >|>[RE: ]  THE TRIED AND TRUE HOME PRODUCTION METHOD FOR "METHAMPHETAMINE"
|> >                       [ article deleted ]
|> >How the hell did this {*filter*}get on the Internet?
|> >
|>
|> The same way anything gets on an unmoderated newsgroup, somebody posted it!
|> Were you under the false impression that somebody censors this stuff??
|>
|> >I hope someone in law enforcement has seen this and is going to nail this creep.
|>
|> For what, transmitting information?  Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?
|> This may be bad/stupid information, but do you really think it's a crime?
|> Apparently, you've never subscribed to alt.{*filter*}, you'd be SHOCKED!!
|>

Yes, well it is apparent that I am really quite naive at this point.  I got angry at Jewett for attempting to get expert help in perpetrating almost certain harm to himself and others.  Yes I know about the 1st Amendment and it isn't a crime to post what he did.  (I even have my own copy of a certain cookbook for anarchists)  

Looking back I realize I even suggested using the Net for invading someone's privacy which is just as bad as suppressing expression.  My anger overcame my restraints and the feelings came out.  

I hope he changes before more people are hurt by activities such as his.

Peter



Sun, 16 Feb 1997 01:20:31 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?

Quote:


>>|>[RE: ]  THE TRIED AND TRUE HOME PRODUCTION METHOD FOR "METHAMPHETAMINE"
>>                       [ article deleted ]
>>How the hell did this {*filter*}get on the Internet?
>>I hope someone in law enforcement has seen this and is going to nail this creep.

Stalin would've loved you, buddy.

Quote:
>For what, transmitting information?  Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?
>This may be bad/stupid information, but do you really think it's a crime?
>Apparently, you've never subscribed to alt.{*filter*}, you'd be SHOCKED!!



This article on production of methamphetamine, actually a very crude and
dangerous extraction of pseudoephedrine from OTC inhalers, appears on
alt.{*filter*} at least once a month. The most important difference between
that and this, as far as I can see, is that when some clueless newbie
puts it up over there, he/she is likely to get intelligent responses from
people sufficiently knowledgeable to provide real analysis, and
well-thought-out reasons for "not trying this at home".

Laurence, please don't feel that my flame for lack of pharmalogical
content extends to your very sensible defense of the original poster's
first amendment rights. That is something I am happy to see all over the
UseNet.

--
--            |"It won't do to have truth and justice on our side - we



Sun, 16 Feb 1997 05:10:24 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?
Peter -
  I had the same thoughts and visceral reaction.  However, I don't think
my verbage will change this person's mind, so I did not waste any energy
on composing a response.
  How did it stay on the 'net' is a good question?  Will it stay on is
yet another question that needs addressing as I fear some unknowing
individual with an interest in elemental chemistry will actually try
this weird and dangerous experiement.


Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:59:00 GMT
 Does anyone know if this will work?
First, this "recipe" has been around the net longer than "the real Mrs.
Field's cookie recipe", and it's about as legitimate.

Second, anyone fooling around with ether in the home has got to be crazy.
It's extremely explosive, even without triggers like a spark or flame,
since it forms explosive peroxides on exposure to air.

Third, the substance in Vicks Inhalers is levodesoxyephedrine, and not
the active dextro isomer.  If you don't kill yourself first preparing
this, you'll still end up with something of the wrong chirality.
Levodesoxyephedrine is an inferior CNS stimulant.  It is _not_
methamphetamine, which is the dextro isomer.

Finally, levodesoxyephedrine, like methamphetamine, is a C-II substance,
except when it's packaged in an inhaler.  If you extract it from the
inhaler, you're breaking the law.

--
Steve Dyer



Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:53:07 GMT
 
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