A reply to Kevin on Nicaragua statues 
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 A reply to Kevin on Nicaragua statues
Kevin,

Here is a BBC article from 2003 on the ancient Nicaraguan people who
built those statues you spoke of,

Mike Ruggeri

Ancient Nicaraguan society found
By Richard Black
BBC science correspondent

Archaeologists have discovered what they describe as a previously
unknown ancient civilisation in Central America.

A picture has emerged after several years' research
The site, near the Atlantic coast of Nicaragua, dates from before the
Mayan era, and relics include what appears to be a centre for mass
production of ceremonial columns.

Researchers have been working on the site at El Cascal de Flor de
Pino, near the town of Kukra Hill for six years.

They've found evidence of an ancient town and several outlying
villages, which developed around 2,700 years ago and lasted for a
thousand years.

There are monuments, petroglyphs (rock carvings) and pottery, and most
remarkably, an area where many huge columns were formed out of rock -
columns which may have been used at burial sites.

Extends range

Petroglyphs are abundant
"The pottery is similar to pre-classical pottery found at sites of
similar age in Belize," Dr Ermengol Gassiot, of the Universitat
Autonoma de Barcelona, Spain, told BBC News Online.

"And the columns resemble those found at Mexican sites where they had
ritual uses.

"The society had political centres. Kukra Hill, we believe, was a
small town, and at least three villages lay around it and were
dependent on it."

The newly discovered civilisation is similar to the societies that
preceded the Mayan civilisation further to the north.

A centre for mass production of ceremonial columns
Independent experts say this shows that the process that led to the
founding of the Mayan cities, such as Tikal, Palenque, or Copan (in
Guatemala, Mexico, and Honduras respectively) covered a much larger
geographical region than archaeologists have supposed up to now.

Time before

Much research remains to be done at El Cascal de Flor de Pino but it
promises to reveal a vast amount about the various societies and
customs which were eventually assimilated into the great culture of
the Mayas.

Commenting on the discovery, Jeremy Sabloff, Williams Director of the
University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, US,
said: "This site sounds very exciting and full of potential.

New information about pre-classical times
"We're learning lots now about the pre-classical era - the groups
which came before the Maya - and this discovery greatly extends the
range of these pre-classical civilisations."

In addition to researchers from the Universitat Autnoma de Barcelona
(UAB), the Kukra Hill archaeological team includes members from the
Universidad Nacional Autnoma de Nicaragua (UNAN-Managua), and the
Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Cientficas (CSIC).



Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:06:41 GMT
 A reply to Kevin on Nicaragua statues

Quote:
> Kevin,

> Here is a BBC article from 2003 on the ancient Nicaraguan people who
> built those statues you spoke of,

> Mike Ruggeri

> Ancient Nicaraguan society found
> By Richard Black
> BBC science correspondent

> Archaeologists have discovered what they describe as a previously
> unknown ancient civilisation in Central America.

> A picture has emerged after several years' research
> The site, near the Atlantic coast of Nicaragua, dates from before the
> Mayan era, and relics include what appears to be a centre for mass
> production of ceremonial columns.

> Researchers have been working on the site at El Cascal de Flor de
> Pino, near the town of Kukra Hill for six years.

> They've found evidence of an ancient town and several outlying
> villages, which developed around 2,700 years ago and lasted for a
> thousand years.

> There are monuments, petroglyphs (rock carvings) and pottery, and most
> remarkably, an area where many huge columns were formed out of rock -
> columns which may have been used at burial sites.

> Extends range

> Petroglyphs are abundant
> "The pottery is similar to pre-classical pottery found at sites of
> similar age in Belize," Dr Ermengol Gassiot, of the Universitat
> Autonoma de Barcelona, Spain, told BBC News Online.

> "And the columns resemble those found at Mexican sites where they had
> ritual uses.

> "The society had political centres. Kukra Hill, we believe, was a
> small town, and at least three villages lay around it and were
> dependent on it."

> The newly discovered civilisation is similar to the societies that
> preceded the Mayan civilisation further to the north.

> A centre for mass production of ceremonial columns
> Independent experts say this shows that the process that led to the
> founding of the Mayan cities, such as Tikal, Palenque, or Copan (in
> Guatemala, Mexico, and Honduras respectively) covered a much larger
> geographical region than archaeologists have supposed up to now.

> Time before

> Much research remains to be done at El Cascal de Flor de Pino but it
> promises to reveal a vast amount about the various societies and
> customs which were eventually assimilated into the great culture of
> the Mayas.

> Commenting on the discovery, Jeremy Sabloff, Williams Director of the
> University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, US,
> said: "This site sounds very exciting and full of potential.

> New information about pre-classical times
> "We're learning lots now about the pre-classical era - the groups
> which came before the Maya - and this discovery greatly extends the
> range of these pre-classical civilisations."

> In addition to researchers from the Universitat Autnoma de Barcelona
> (UAB), the Kukra Hill archaeological team includes members from the
> Universidad Nacional Autnoma de Nicaragua (UNAN-Managua), and the
> Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Cientficas (CSIC).

Thank you ,Mike, for this valuable articule!!
  In addition to those large mysterious stone (or tufa?)statues found
in the Lake Nicaragua region (were they in the statue&column export
business?)....
  I've also been wondering why Costa Rica has the most magnificicnt
Jade Collection ( and pottery collections of great sophistication and
variaties of styles ) but seemingly  no major acrhitecture to speak
of ??? Any thoughts?
  Was Mayan Civilization much more diversafied and trade friendly
than
previovsly thought? Or was there an earlier Meta-Mayan empire that
allowed for manufacture of artifacts in Costa Rica for "market " in
the Yacatan.(ie.A united system, or Empire,without the boundries to
trade implyed by the image of waring City States?)
  Can the mineral composition of the statues and columns made in
Nicaragua be traced to sites in other places?
  Are the columns at Chichen Iza of local stone? Or from elsewhere?
  Analysis of mineral signatures should trace these patterns.Has it
been done?
  I look forward to hearing more from anyone with information and/or
ideas on this subject.
                              Thank you,     Kevin Farley


Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:01:19 GMT
 A reply to Kevin on Nicaragua statues

Quote:

> > Kevin,

> > Here is a BBC article from 2003 on the ancient Nicaraguan people who
> > built those statues you spoke of,

> > Mike Ruggeri

> > Ancient Nicaraguan society found
> > By Richard Black
> > BBC science correspondent

> > Archaeologists have discovered what they describe as a previously
> > unknown ancient civilisation in Central America.

> > A picture has emerged after several years' research
> > The site, near the Atlantic coast of Nicaragua, dates from before the
> > Mayan era, and relics include what appears to be a centre for mass
> > production of ceremonial columns.

> > Researchers have been working on the site at El Cascal de Flor de
> > Pino, near the town of Kukra Hill for six years.

> > They've found evidence of an ancient town and several outlying
> > villages, which developed around 2,700 years ago and lasted for a
> > thousand years.

> > There are monuments, petroglyphs (rock carvings) and pottery, and most
> > remarkably, an area where many huge columns were formed out of rock -
> > columns which may have been used at burial sites.

> > Extends range

> > Petroglyphs are abundant
> > "The pottery is similar to pre-classical pottery found at sites of
> > similar age in Belize," Dr Ermengol Gassiot, of the Universitat
> > Autonoma de Barcelona, Spain, told BBC News Online.

> > "And the columns resemble those found at Mexican sites where they had
> > ritual uses.

> > "The society had political centres. Kukra Hill, we believe, was a
> > small town, and at least three villages lay around it and were
> > dependent on it."

> > The newly discovered civilisation is similar to the societies that
> > preceded the Mayan civilisation further to the north.

> > A centre for mass production of ceremonial columns
> > Independent experts say this shows that the process that led to the
> > founding of the Mayan cities, such as Tikal, Palenque, or Copan (in
> > Guatemala, Mexico, and Honduras respectively) covered a much larger
> > geographical region than archaeologists have supposed up to now.

> > Time before

> > Much research remains to be done at El Cascal de Flor de Pino but it
> > promises to reveal a vast amount about the various societies and
> > customs which were eventually assimilated into the great culture of
> > the Mayas.

> > Commenting on the discovery, Jeremy Sabloff, Williams Director of the
> > University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, US,
> > said: "This site sounds very exciting and full of potential.

> > New information about pre-classical times
> > "We're learning lots now about the pre-classical era - the groups
> > which came before the Maya - and this discovery greatly extends the
> > range of these pre-classical civilisations."

> > In addition to researchers from the Universitat Autnoma de Barcelona
> > (UAB), the Kukra Hill archaeological team includes members from the
> > Universidad Nacional Autnoma de Nicaragua (UNAN-Managua), and the
> > Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Cientficas (CSIC).

> Thank you ,Mike, for this valuable articule!!
>   In addition to those large mysterious stone (or tufa?)statues found
> in the Lake Nicaragua region (were they in the statue&column export
> business?)....
>   I've also been wondering why Costa Rica has the most magnificicnt
> Jade Collection ( and pottery collections of great sophistication and
> variaties of styles ) but seemingly  no major acrhitecture to speak
> of ??? Any thoughts?
>   Was Mayan Civilization much more diversafied and trade friendly
> than
> previovsly thought? Or was there an earlier Meta-Mayan empire that
> allowed for manufacture of artifacts in Costa Rica for "market " in
> the Yacatan.(ie.A united system, or Empire,without the boundries to
> trade implyed by the image of waring City States?)
>   Can the mineral composition of the statues and columns made in
> Nicaragua be traced to sites in other places?
>   Are the columns at Chichen Iza of local stone? Or from elsewhere?
>   Analysis of mineral signatures should trace these patterns.Has it
> been done?
>   I look forward to hearing more from anyone with information and/or
> ideas on this subject.
>                               Thank you,     Kevin Farley- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

That area is more cosmopolitan than one would think.  This is also
true of Ometepe Island and the Santa Elana Penninsula. The jade finds
are also sophisticated.  I've had a theory for some time, and that is
that there was a c{*filter*}that was destroyed by volcanic activity. Using
the Rio San Juan and Lake Nicaragua leaves only an eigh{*filter*} mile span
to reach the Pacific.


Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:19:19 GMT
 A reply to Kevin on Nicaragua statues

Quote:

> > Thank you ,Mike, for this valuable articule!!
> >   In addition to those large mysterious stone (or tufa?)statues found
> > in the Lake Nicaragua region (were they in the statue&column export
> > business?)....
> >   I've also been wondering why Costa Rica has the most magnificicnt
> > Jade Collection ( and pottery collections of great sophistication and
> > variaties of styles ) but seemingly  no major acrhitecture to speak
> > of ??? Any thoughts?
> >   Was Mayan Civilization much more diversafied and trade friendly
> > than
> > previovsly thought? Or was there an earlier Meta-Mayan empire that
> > allowed for manufacture of artifacts in Costa Rica for "market " in
> > the Yacatan.(ie.A united system, or Empire,without the boundries to
> > trade implyed by the image of waring City States?)
> >   Can the mineral composition of the statues and columns made in
> > Nicaragua be traced to sites in other places?
> >   Are the columns at Chichen Iza of local stone? Or from elsewhere?
> >   Analysis of mineral signatures should trace these patterns.Has it
> > been done?
> >   I look forward to hearing more from anyone with information and/or
> > ideas on this subject.
> >                               Thank you,     Kevin Farley- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> That area is more cosmopolitan than one would think.  This is also
> true of Ometepe Island and the Santa Elana Penninsula. The jade finds
> are also sophisticated.  I've had a theory for some time, and that is
> that there was a c{*filter*}that was destroyed by volcanic activity. Using
> the Rio San Juan and Lake Nicaragua leaves only an eigh{*filter*} mile span
> to reach the Pacific.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

 Thank you Dunkers,  For your thoughts on this posting.
   The  original discoverer of the Nicaragua Statues observed , in
1860 , a large statue made of "sandstone of a redish color"  on
Ometepe Island amidst "black volcanic soil and rock ". So the makers
had the ability to transport a very heavy momolith over water.
  Also central Mexican folk migrated to this area , without colonizing
a land corridor between these places.
  Why?
  The c{*filter*}theory could account for the clustering of peoples ( and
creativity ) in this area!
  I had thought there might have been a source of the treasured "green
stone" there ,which would draw people and trade to the region.(?)
  I also feel that the extent of water transport in the whole of
Meseo- America has yet to be understood.
  My own theory is that the cliff-side temple at Tulum is a navagation
beacon , to assit costal traders in coming through the reef to make
landfall at night. (!)
  What do you think?
                                    Thank you , Kevin Farley


Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:02:13 GMT
 
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