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Top Sirlo
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 was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth....................
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>> >If you are hypothyroid, no nutrition related efforts can save you from
>> >becoming lazy and gaining weight.
>> Even total starvation?
>> They'd _still_ gain weight?
> Yup.
Sorry, but your body requires energy from _somewhere_, no matter how low your metabolism, and in the absence of cooking.net">food it's going to come from lean tissue and fat. Quote: > I am Hashi's/Hypo ( Hashimoto's AutoImmune Thyroid Disease ).
So you require total replacement? Ack. Sorry. Quote: >I have never been heavy in my life until this crud blindsided me. I started
>packing on the poundage rather quickly and I wasn't eating as my metabolism
>had slowed and the appetite was gone. I'd sometimes not eat for 4 days and I
>still gained weight. Only Thyroid Hormone Replacement will work for this.
>Can it kill you? Not likely. There hasn't been a death from it in over a
>hundred years because we know how to treat it, but, some people don't get
>treatment and do go into depression, later into a form of dementia called
>myxoedema madness, and even later, a coma before a diagnosis is made and
>medical attention is given. If medical attention is not given, the person
>will die.
> Being told it is in your diet is a common mistake and only causes heart
>aches. 50 pounds of weight in six months is quite a weight gain. A simple
>{*filter*} test to screen for a medical condition will serve two purposes. It
>will determine if something needs to be treated AND it will show you care
>enough to get it looked into.
I agree, the wife of the original poster should go to a doctor, if only because she's 50lbs heavier than she was six months ago. Even easier for her to do is she if she's upped her caloric intake versus six months ago, because although it's hard to eat enough to gain 50lbs in six months, some people are willing to do what it take to achieve their goals. But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out to have
a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of weight"
isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet. You
need {*filter*} folks.
And a lab.
And someone who knows what they're doing.
Unlike USENET. :-)
-Scott Johnson
Fry Mumia
http://www.***.com/
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| Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:14:20 GMT |
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watchma
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth....................
Quote: > But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out to have
> a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of weight"
> isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet. You
> need {*filter*} folks.
And you don't think your sisters thyroid problem could stem from the fact that the iron from the meat she has eaten over the years has built up and has begun to affect her thyroid? She was just 'destined' as MANY other women are it seems to become hypothyroid. The fact iron is KNOWN to affect the thyroid .. and COMMONLY cause hypothyroid .. might be her problem? Contrary to popular belief menses do not cause anemia.. unless of course the body IS . built improperly..? Who loves ya. Tom -- Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.***.com/ Moses was a Mystic! http://www.***.com/
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| Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:46:36 GMT |
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Gale
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Quote:
> > Being told it is in your diet is a common mistake and only causes heart
> > aches. 50 pounds of weight in six months is quite a weight gain. A simple
> > {*filter*} test to screen for a medical condition will serve two purposes. It
> > will determine if something needs to be treated AND it will show you care
> > enough to get it looked into.
> I agree, the wife of the original poster should go to a doctor, if only because
> she's 50lbs heavier than she was six months ago. Even easier for her to do is
> she if she's upped her caloric intake versus six months ago, because although
> it's hard to eat enough to gain 50lbs in six months, some people are willing to
> do what it take to achieve their goals.
> But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out to have
> a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of weight"
> isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet. You
> need {*filter*} folks.
> And a lab.
> And someone who knows what they're doing.
> Unlike USENET. :-)
I agree. Those are the actions that I was suggesting. Your posts yesterday seemed less willing to consider Igor's idea.
Sorry for the misunderstanding in my response yesterday.
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Gale
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| Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:02:29 GMT |
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John Rigg
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Actually, what you are referring to is something called hemachromatosis, where the body retains and build up an excess of iron. It can also cause health problems serious enough to require attention. Iron in our food, s actually a healthy thing for most folks. In my case, it tends to block absorption of the thyroid hormones so I need to take them an hour or so before eating or about 2 to 4 hours after eating ( easier to take first thing in the morning ). I included my sig line this trip as it has links to the Alt.Support.thyroid FAQ and can answer a lot of common questions about thyroid issues and myths. If you ever have questions, feel free to drop in there. The folks are gentle, fairly polite and courteous and are more than happy to share with anyone needing a question answered on most endocrine disorders. One of the common questions has to deal with weight, as well as docs and people being rather uninformed on how it actually does work. Lots of good info ( AND our last troll would have been blocked and booted summarily in about two posts on AST ) --
Please visit http://www.***.com/
or http://www.***.com/
Alt.Support.Thyroid FAQ
Quote:
> > But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out
to have
> > a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of
weight"
> > isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet.
You
> > need {*filter*} folks.
> And you don't think your sisters thyroid problem could stem from
> the fact that the iron from the meat she has eaten over the years
> has built up and has begun to affect her thyroid?
> She was just 'destined' as MANY other women are it seems to become
> hypothyroid.
> The fact iron is KNOWN to affect the thyroid .. and COMMONLY cause
> hypothyroid .. might be her problem?
> Contrary to popular belief menses do not cause anemia.. unless of
> course the body IS . built improperly..?
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
> --
> Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.***.com/
> Moses was a Mystic! http://www.***.com/
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| Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:27:12 GMT |
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Gale
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Quote:
> Actually, what you are referring to is something called hemachromatosis,
> where the body retains and build up an excess of iron. It can also cause
> health problems serious enough to require attention. Iron in our food, s
> actually a healthy thing for most folks. In my case, it tends to block
> absorption of the thyroid hormones so I need to take them an hour or so
> before eating or about 2 to 4 hours after eating ( easier to take first
> thing in the morning ).
> I included my sig line this trip as it has links to the
> Alt.Support.thyroid FAQ and can answer a lot of common questions about
> thyroid issues and myths. If you ever have questions, feel free to drop in
> there. The folks are gentle, fairly polite and courteous and are more than
> happy to share with anyone needing a question answered on most endocrine
> disorders. One of the common questions has to deal with weight, as well as
> docs and people being rather uninformed on how it actually does work. Lots
> of good info ( AND our last troll would have been blocked and booted
> summarily in about two posts on AST )
> --
> Please visit http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/library/ast/bl-w&r.htm
> or http://thyroid.about.com/library/ast/bl-w&r.htm to read the
> Alt.Support.Thyroid FAQ
Thanks, I'll read it. -- Gale
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| Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:54:51 GMT |
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Steve Gallaghe
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Quote:
> Actually, what you are referring to is something called hemachromatosis,
> where the body retains and build up an excess of iron. It can also cause
> health problems serious enough to require attention.
In the case of legendary bodybuilding author John McCallum, it proved eventually fatal. --
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| Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:57:24 GMT |
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Tecaddic
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... I gained 50 in 3 months when I stopped exercising. Eating between 800-1000 calories per day. (I reduced my calories to compensate for not working out. I ate 1800 a day or so when I worked out. Not eating enough can clearly make me fat. Or maybe my metabolism only burned 200 calories per day. Or negative 1500 which was required in my estimate. This is when I abandoned the calorie theory.
Quote:
> <moved to bottom post>
> >> >If you are hypothyroid, no nutrition related efforts can save you from
> >> >becoming lazy and gaining weight.
> >> Even total starvation?
> >> They'd _still_ gain weight?
> > Yup.
> Sorry, but your body requires energy from _somewhere_, no matter how low
your
> metabolism, and in the absence of cooking.net">food it's going to come from lean tissue
and
> fat.
> > I am Hashi's/Hypo ( Hashimoto's AutoImmune Thyroid Disease ).
> So you require total replacement? Ack. Sorry.
> >I have never been heavy in my life until this crud blindsided me. I
started
> >packing on the poundage rather quickly and I wasn't eating as my
metabolism
> >had slowed and the appetite was gone. I'd sometimes not eat for 4 days
and I
> >still gained weight. Only Thyroid Hormone Replacement will work for this.
> >Can it kill you? Not likely. There hasn't been a death from it in over a
> >hundred years because we know how to treat it, but, some people don't get
> >treatment and do go into depression, later into a form of dementia called
> >myxoedema madness, and even later, a coma before a diagnosis is made and
> >medical attention is given. If medical attention is not given, the person
> >will die.
> > Being told it is in your diet is a common mistake and only causes
heart
> >aches. 50 pounds of weight in six months is quite a weight gain. A simple
> >{*filter*} test to screen for a medical condition will serve two purposes. It
> >will determine if something needs to be treated AND it will show you care
> >enough to get it looked into.
> I agree, the wife of the original poster should go to a doctor, if only
because
> she's 50lbs heavier than she was six months ago. Even easier for her to do
is
> she if she's upped her caloric intake versus six months ago, because
although
> it's hard to eat enough to gain 50lbs in six months, some people are
willing to
> do what it take to achieve their goals.
> But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out to
have
> a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of
weight"
> isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet.
You
> need {*filter*} folks.
> And a lab.
> And someone who knows what they're doing.
> Unlike USENET. :-)
> -Scott Johnson
> Fry Mumia
> http://www.***.com/
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Watson Davi
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:51:47 -0400, "Tec{*filter*}" Quote:
>I gained 50 in 3 months when I stopped exercising. Eating between 800-1000
>calories per day. (I reduced my calories to compensate for not working out.
>I ate 1800 a day or so when I worked out. Not eating enough can clearly make
>me fat. Or maybe my metabolism only burned 200 calories per day. Or negative
>1500 which was required in my estimate. This is when I abandoned the calorie
>theory.
Actually, the conclusion I would draw from this is that you were incorrectly calculating the calories you were ingesting. It's very easy to eat things and have them be more calories than you think they are. I used to eat some fajitas at Chili's and I thought they were maybe
300-400 calories because there wasn't much there and I was never
filled by them. They turned out to be about 1200 calories. My wife
was wondering why she was gaining fat because she hadn't added any
calories to her diet. Then she found out that her morning Starbucks
was adding about 800 calories per day. Another time, her morning
bagel turned out to be 600 calories a day.
People frequently skip over the calories they're ingesting in drinks
and {*filter*}ic beverages and they almost always drastically
underestimate the calories in their meals. "Oh, I just had a few
cashews for a snack, those don't count." "Pasta doesn't have very
many calories, does it?"
I don't know what your exercise routine was but unless you were doing
something really {*filter*}, you were NOT burning 1000 calories a day
exercising. You would have to spend about 9 hours a day on the stair
stepper or exercise bike to do that. Most people expend about 300-400
calories a WEEK exercising.
Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
Quote:
>> <moved to bottom post>
>> >> >If you are hypothyroid, no nutrition related efforts can save you from
>> >> >becoming lazy and gaining weight.
>> >> Even total starvation?
>> >> They'd _still_ gain weight?
>> > Yup.
>> Sorry, but your body requires energy from _somewhere_, no matter how low
>your
>> metabolism, and in the absence of cooking.net">food it's going to come from lean tissue
>and
>> fat.
>> > I am Hashi's/Hypo ( Hashimoto's AutoImmune Thyroid Disease ).
>> So you require total replacement? Ack. Sorry.
>> >I have never been heavy in my life until this crud blindsided me. I
>started
>> >packing on the poundage rather quickly and I wasn't eating as my
>metabolism
>> >had slowed and the appetite was gone. I'd sometimes not eat for 4 days
>and I
>> >still gained weight. Only Thyroid Hormone Replacement will work for this.
>> >Can it kill you? Not likely. There hasn't been a death from it in over a
>> >hundred years because we know how to treat it, but, some people don't get
>> >treatment and do go into depression, later into a form of dementia called
>> >myxoedema madness, and even later, a coma before a diagnosis is made and
>> >medical attention is given. If medical attention is not given, the person
>> >will die.
>> > Being told it is in your diet is a common mistake and only causes
>heart
>> >aches. 50 pounds of weight in six months is quite a weight gain. A simple
>> >{*filter*} test to screen for a medical condition will serve two purposes. It
>> >will determine if something needs to be treated AND it will show you care
>> >enough to get it looked into.
>> I agree, the wife of the original poster should go to a doctor, if only
>because
>> she's 50lbs heavier than she was six months ago. Even easier for her to do
>is
>> she if she's upped her caloric intake versus six months ago, because
>although
>> it's hard to eat enough to gain 50lbs in six months, some people are
>willing to
>> do what it take to achieve their goals.
>> But "that sounds exactly like what happened to my sister who turned out to
>have
>> a thyroid problem and she was in her mid 30's and she gained a lot of
>weight"
>> isn't enough to make a diagnosis of a thyroid problem over the internet.
>You
>> need {*filter*} folks.
>> And a lab.
>> And someone who knows what they're doing.
>> Unlike USENET. :-)
>> -Scott Johnson
>> Fry Mumia
>> http://www.***.com/
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Scott the RMT, who is building his massage practice...
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Quote: > I don't know what your exercise routine was but unless you were doing > something really {*filter*}, you were NOT burning 1000 calories a day > exercising. You would have to spend about 9 hours a day on the stair > stepper or exercise bike to do that. Most people expend about 300-400 > calories a WEEK exercising. > Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
A regular sized person around 150 pounds burns about a 100 calories a mile walking/jogging/running. I think your estimate of burned calories for exercise is low.
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| Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:36:49 GMT |
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Big Le
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth....................
Quote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:51:47 -0400, "Tec{*filter*}"
> >I gained 50 in 3 months when I stopped exercising. Eating between
800-1000
> >calories per day. (I reduced my calories to compensate for not working
out.
> >I ate 1800 a day or so when I worked out. Not eating enough can clearly
make
> >me fat. Or maybe my metabolism only burned 200 calories per day. Or
negative
> >1500 which was required in my estimate. This is when I abandoned the
calorie
> >theory.
> Actually, the conclusion I would draw from this is that you were
> incorrectly calculating the calories you were ingesting. It's very
> easy to eat things and have them be more calories than you think they
> are.
> I used to eat some fajitas at Chili's and I thought they were maybe
> 300-400 calories because there wasn't much there and I was never
> filled by them. They turned out to be about 1200 calories. My wife
> was wondering why she was gaining fat because she hadn't added any
> calories to her diet. Then she found out that her morning Starbucks
> was adding about 800 calories per day. Another time, her morning
> bagel turned out to be 600 calories a day.
> People frequently skip over the calories they're ingesting in drinks
> and {*filter*}ic beverages and they almost always drastically
> underestimate the calories in their meals. "Oh, I just had a few
> cashews for a snack, those don't count." "Pasta doesn't have very
> many calories, does it?"
My wife (who is math challenged anyway) has a very itneresting way of counting calories. If she really likes something, she undercounts. If she doesn't like something, she overcounts. She says that it balances out in the end. Typical wishful thinking.
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Watson Davi
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... On 06 Aug 2001 18:36:49 GMT, "Scott the RMT, who is building his Quote:
>> I don't know what your exercise routine was but unless you were doing >> something really {*filter*}, you were NOT burning 1000 calories a day >> exercising. You would have to spend about 9 hours a day on the stair >> stepper or exercise bike to do that. Most people expend about 300-400 >> calories a WEEK exercising. >> Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
>A regular sized person around 150 pounds burns about a 100 calories a mile
>walking/jogging/running. I think your estimate of burned calories for
>exercise is low.
If this person was running 10 miles a day, every day, I'd be very surprised. My estimates might be low... but for most people, they're probably not
very low. Most people spend 30 minutes on the stair stepper,
balancing themselves on their locked arms so that they're not having
to work as hard, and are expending MAYBE 200 calories then they work
out once or twice a week. Or they might walk a mile (or less) once or
twice a week.
That's not going to create a huge caloric deficit.
Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
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| Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:17:02 GMT |
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Scott the RMT, who is building his massage practice...
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was asked for the truth............now regretting having told the truth.................... Quote: > >> I don't know what your exercise routine was but unless you were doing > >> something really {*filter*}, you were NOT burning 1000 calories a day > >> exercising. You would have to spend about 9 hours a day on the stair > >> stepper or exercise bike to do that. Most people expend about 300-400 > >> calories a WEEK exercising. > >> Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
> >A regular sized person around 150 pounds burns about a 100 calories a
mile
> >walking/jogging/running. I think your estimate of burned calories for
> >exercise is low.
> If this person was running 10 miles a day, every day, I'd be very
> surprised.
If they're running three miles a week, I'd be very surprised. Even slow lazy joggers like I used to be put in fif{*filter*} miles a week pretty easily. Also, while I'd agree that the stair stepper and exercise bike are less intense than running, I think 111 calories an hour is a severe underestimate. 400, maybe. Quote: > My estimates might be low... but for most people, they're probably not
> very low. Most people spend 30 minutes on the stair stepper,
> balancing themselves on their locked arms so that they're not having
> to work as hard, and are expending MAYBE 200 calories then they work
> out once or twice a week. Or they might walk a mile (or less) once or
> twice a week.
I think your frequency estimate is off. Most exercisers in my experience go to the gym MORE than I do, not less. I walk (or, 0-3 times a week, run) my dogs two miles twice a day, and I don't think of it as exercise at all, except for the running, which I don't do very often during the hot half of the year in Austin. When it's cold enough, I take them for easy five mile runs, but that's only
a couple of months a year in Austin. It was easier to be a runner in
Chicago - cold doesn't bother me. Nicer being a lifter here, though - even
though I lift in an unheated garage, the bar hasn't frozen to my skin ONCE
in Austin. On one memorable occasion in Chicago, the bar (loaded to 315 for
deadlifts) froze to my hands and the plates froze to the bar. That was a
very bad day. The 'dump the plates and go upstairs to thaw the bar on the
radiator' trick doesn't work if you can't dump the plates. I knew enough
not to use collars for deadlifts when it was that cold out - it never
occurred to me that iron could freeze to iron. Oops. There are basically
four ways to get a frozen bar off you: thaw the bar on a radiator, tear off
your skin, have your lovely girlfriend pour warm water over your hands and
the bar, or wait for spring. Christa wasn't around, and the plates wouldn't
come off. But I digress ($1 to Mal.)
I'd guess that the stationary bike, elliptical trainer, or stair stepper
would be at least as intense as walking, wouldn't you? And that's just gym
trainers - my girlfriend and our weekly houseguest are triathletes, and they
go on five mile runs or one mile swims or fif{*filter*} mile bike rides damn near
every day. When I was doing 5ks with Christa (in Chicago - Austin is too
hot) we'd do twenty five miles a week, and I am NOT 150 pounds. Nor were we
exceptional racers - midpack at best.
Quote: > That's not going to create a huge caloric deficit.
> Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
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