"What the hell is milk thistle?" 
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 "What the hell is milk thistle?"

Please, tell me at once !
Flavio


Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:35:43 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
DATE:           22 Jan 2003 21:35:43 GMT
TO:               FGuerraMed
FROM:         Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.
SUBJECT:   ""What the hell is milk thistle?"."
NG:               sci.med.nutrition
==========

Quote:
>Please, tell me at once !
>Flavio

That is easy!

It is Silybum Marianum.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
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moment brought to you by Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.

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about more and more.



Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:07:08 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
a plant


Quote:
> Please, tell me at once !
> Flavio



Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:14:32 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
A herb; supposedly useful for liver detox.


Quote:
> Please, tell me at once !
> Flavio



Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:59:58 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"


Quote:
>A herb; supposedly useful for liver detox.

Does one need one's liver "detoxed" -- unless one
drinks a lot of {*filter*}, that is?


Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:47:07 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
Another one of those debatable issues!   If you really would like to know
try alt.folklore.herbs..


Quote:
> Does one need one's liver "detoxed" -- unless one
> drinks a lot of {*filter*}, that is?



Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:35:24 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"


Quote:
>Another one of those debatable issues!   If you really would like to know
>try alt.folklore.herbs..

I don't think I do want to know more:)


Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:17:42 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
Dr. Andrew Weil advises anyone on chemo to take milk thistle.  I took it on
chemo and later when I started taking niacin to lower my cholesterol I started
it again.  There are lots of prescription {*filter*} that can put a strain on the
liver.

Dorothy



Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:05 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
Your liver has ben collecting toxins all your life for you. You decide.


Quote:


> >A herb; supposedly useful for liver detox.

> Does one need one's liver "detoxed" -- unless one
> drinks a lot of {*filter*}, that is?



Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:31:56 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"

Quote:
>Dr. Andrew Weil advises anyone on chemo to take milk thistle.  I took it on
>chemo and later when I started taking niacin to lower my cholesterol I started
>it again.  There are lots of prescription {*filter*} that can put a strain on the
>liver.

>Dorothy

Thanks for the response.  Makes sense.


Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:56:56 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"


Quote:
> Please, tell me at once !
> Flavio

Here's a nice review. Summary....probably won't hurt you, and might help.

{*filter*} 2001;61(14):2035-63

The use of silymarin in the treatment of liver diseases.

Saller R, Meier R, Brignoli R.

Abteilung Naturheilkunde, University Hospital Zurich, Switzerland.

The high prevalence of liver diseases such as chronic hepatitis and
cirrhosis underscores the need for efficient and cost-effective treatments.
The potential benefit of silymarin (extracted from the seeds of Silybum
marianum or milk thistle) in the treatment of liver diseases remains a
controversial issue. Therefore, the objective of this review is to assess
the clinical efficacy and safety of silymarin by application of systematic
approach. 525 references were found in the databases, of which 84 papers
were retained for closer examination and 36 were deemed suitable for
detailed analysis. Silymarin has metabolic and cell-regulating effects at
concentrations found in clinical conditions, namely carrier-mediated
regulation of cell membrane permeability, inhibition of the 5-lipoxygenase
pathway, scavenging of reactive oxygen species (ROS) of the R-OH type and
action on DNA-expression, for example, via suppression of nuclear factor
(NF)-kappaB. Pooled data from case record studies involving 452 patients
with Amanita phalloides poisoning show a highly significant difference in
mortality in favour of silibinin [the main isomer contained in silymarin]
(mortality 9.8% vs 18.3% with standard treatment; p < 0.01). The available
trials in patients with toxic (e.g. solvents) or iatrogenic (e.g.
antispychotic or tacrine) liver diseases, which are mostly outdated and
underpowered, do not enable any valid conclusions to be drawn on the value
of silymarin. The exception is an improved clinical tolerance of tacrine. In
spite of some positive results in patients with acute viral hepatitis, no
formally valid conclusion can be drawn regarding the value of silymarin in
the treatment of these infections. Although there were no clinical
end-points in the four trials considered in patients with {*filter*}ic liver
disease, histological findings were reported as improved in two out of two
trials, improvement of prothrombin time was significant (two trials pooled)
and liver transaminase levels were consistently lower in the
silymarin-treated groups. Therefore, silymarin may be of use as an adjuvant
in the therapy of {*filter*}ic liver disease. Analysis was performed on five
trials with a total of 602 patients with liver cirrhosis. The evidence shows
that, compared with placebo, silymarin produces a nonsignificant reduction
of total mortality by -4.2% [odds ratio (OR) 0.75 (0.5 - 1.1)]; but that, on
the other hand, the use of silymarin leads to a significant reduction in
liver-related mortality of-7% [OR: 0.54 (0.3 - 0.9); p < 0.01]. An
individual trial reported a reduction in the number of patients with
encephalopathy of -8.7% (p = 0.06). In one study of patients with
cirrhosis-related diabetes mellitus, the insulin requirement was reduced
by -25% (p < 0.01). We conclude that available evidence suggests that
silymarin may play a role in the therapy of ({*filter*}ic) liver cirrhosis.
Silymarin is has a good safety record and only rare case reports of
gastrointestinal disturbances and allergic skin rashes have been published.
This review does not aim to replace future prospective trials aiming to
provide the 'final' evidence of the efficacy of silymarin.



Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:38:52 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
Thank's.
In my country the popular name is different.
Now I can search for "Silybum marianum"


Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:17:07 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
DATE:           25 Jan 2003 22:17:07 GMT
TO:               FGuerraMed
FROM:         Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.
SUBJECT:   "Re: "What the hell is milk thistle?"."
NG:               sci.med.nutrition
==========

Quote:
>Thank's.
>In my country the popular name is different.
>Now I can search for "Silybum marianum"

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The 1st response was the correct response. :)

Just my opinion.  But, I am *right* as usual!
--
Another we know next to nothing about nutrition
moment brought to you by Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.

Science is all about knowing less and less
about more and more.



Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:40:49 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"
Go to glycoscience.com and put milk thistle in the search engine. It will
give references and summaries of medical papers.

david


Quote:



> > Please, tell me at once !
> > Flavio

> Here's a nice review. Summary....probably won't hurt you, and might help.

> {*filter*} 2001;61(14):2035-63

> The use of silymarin in the treatment of liver diseases.

> Saller R, Meier R, Brignoli R.

> Abteilung Naturheilkunde, University Hospital Zurich, Switzerland.

> The high prevalence of liver diseases such as chronic hepatitis and
> cirrhosis underscores the need for efficient and cost-effective
treatments.
> The potential benefit of silymarin (extracted from the seeds of Silybum
> marianum or milk thistle) in the treatment of liver diseases remains a
> controversial issue. Therefore, the objective of this review is to assess
> the clinical efficacy and safety of silymarin by application of systematic
> approach. 525 references were found in the databases, of which 84 papers
> were retained for closer examination and 36 were deemed suitable for
> detailed analysis. Silymarin has metabolic and cell-regulating effects at
> concentrations found in clinical conditions, namely carrier-mediated
> regulation of cell membrane permeability, inhibition of the 5-lipoxygenase
> pathway, scavenging of reactive oxygen species (ROS) of the R-OH type and
> action on DNA-expression, for example, via suppression of nuclear factor
> (NF)-kappaB. Pooled data from case record studies involving 452 patients
> with Amanita phalloides poisoning show a highly significant difference in
> mortality in favour of silibinin [the main isomer contained in silymarin]
> (mortality 9.8% vs 18.3% with standard treatment; p < 0.01). The available
> trials in patients with toxic (e.g. solvents) or iatrogenic (e.g.
> antispychotic or tacrine) liver diseases, which are mostly outdated and
> underpowered, do not enable any valid conclusions to be drawn on the value
> of silymarin. The exception is an improved clinical tolerance of tacrine.
In
> spite of some positive results in patients with acute viral hepatitis, no
> formally valid conclusion can be drawn regarding the value of silymarin in
> the treatment of these infections. Although there were no clinical
> end-points in the four trials considered in patients with {*filter*}ic liver
> disease, histological findings were reported as improved in two out of two
> trials, improvement of prothrombin time was significant (two trials
pooled)
> and liver transaminase levels were consistently lower in the
> silymarin-treated groups. Therefore, silymarin may be of use as an
adjuvant
> in the therapy of {*filter*}ic liver disease. Analysis was performed on five
> trials with a total of 602 patients with liver cirrhosis. The evidence
shows
> that, compared with placebo, silymarin produces a nonsignificant reduction
> of total mortality by -4.2% [odds ratio (OR) 0.75 (0.5 - 1.1)]; but that,
on
> the other hand, the use of silymarin leads to a significant reduction in
> liver-related mortality of-7% [OR: 0.54 (0.3 - 0.9); p < 0.01]. An
> individual trial reported a reduction in the number of patients with
> encephalopathy of -8.7% (p = 0.06). In one study of patients with
> cirrhosis-related diabetes mellitus, the insulin requirement was reduced
> by -25% (p < 0.01). We conclude that available evidence suggests that
> silymarin may play a role in the therapy of ({*filter*}ic) liver cirrhosis.
> Silymarin is has a good safety record and only rare case reports of
> gastrointestinal disturbances and allergic skin rashes have been
published.
> This review does not aim to replace future prospective trials aiming to
> provide the 'final' evidence of the efficacy of silymarin.



Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:26:44 GMT
 "What the hell is milk thistle?"

Quote:



>>A herb; supposedly useful for liver detox.

>Does one need one's liver "detoxed" -- unless one
>drinks a lot of {*filter*}, that is?

People on prescription {*filter*} that effect the liver, like statins.


Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:39:26 GMT
 
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