Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
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John De Hoo #1 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
Sorry, I don't have a Medline abstract or other such reference. I only have a little story to report from a Japanese TV program -- not very scientific, but it interested me nonetheless. The story is about a group of {*filter*}agers in Okinawa who had their bone density measured and then were asked about their diet. According to the report, most of the kids had excellent bone density, whereas one boy had a very poor result. The good kids all ate mainly rice and fish. The bad kid didn't eat much rice or fish, but liked yakiniku, which is beef (or sometimes pork) either grilled or cooked on a teppan plate. All the kids were active and got plenty of exercise. Obviously there are a lot more details that we weren't told, making this one easy to just write off. Except that the "good" kids -- the ones with the high bone density -- eat very much like my Japanese wife, who has never liked red meat and who has incredibly good bone density, comparable to someone half her age. They also eat a diet that is typical of Japan, traditionally, and which has helped give this country the world's best longevity record. The bad kid ate more like they do in Korea, where longevity is far below that in Japan. By itself this story seems to offer little useful information. It does, however, mesh with other observations over the years. Fish and rice is a typical core diet in much of Asia. It would be interesting to carry out similar studies across a larger population from different countries, and see if any consistent patterns can be found. -- John De Hoog http://www.***.com/
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Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:39:04 GMT |
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John De Hoo #2 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
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>How much fish is farmed in Japan?
Quite a bit, though some types of fish more than others. We usually go to fish markets that sell only non-farmed fish, and other markets at least mark which fish are farmed and which are not. I'd say more than half the fish in supermarkets is farmed. If Alf and other posters are correct, the fish caught in the open seas is healthier. Not only that, but fish farming is actually turning out to be a bad idea environmentally, since it is depleting some of the smaller varieties of fish by overcatching them for use as feed. And shrimp farming in places like Thailand is fast wiping out mangroves. Of course, the cattle raising industry through overgrazing, etc. has done even more damage to the earth over the years. -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org
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Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:17:49 GMT |
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d.. #3 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
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> >How much fish is farmed in Japan? > Quite a bit, though some types of fish more than others. We usually go > to fish markets that sell only non-farmed fish, and other markets at > least mark which fish are farmed and which are not. I'd say more than > half the fish in supermarkets is farmed. > If Alf and other posters are correct, the fish caught in the open seas > is healthier. Not only that, but fish farming is actually turning out > to be a bad idea environmentally, since it is depleting some of the > smaller varieties of fish by overcatching them for use as feed. And > shrimp farming in places like Thailand is fast wiping out mangroves. > Of course, the cattle raising industry through overgrazing, etc. has > done even more damage to the earth over the years. > -- > John De Hoog http://dehoog.org
Thanks for the information, John. Unfortunately where I live, farmed fish is much much cheaper and the cost of the real thing is too high to even consider for our family. Canned salmon is $1.69 a can but some sells for $5.00 a can and I assume it is fished. At one market, the fished salmon is 16 dollars per pound. I buy canned mackerel which is only 89 cents a can, cheaper than albacore tuna and I assume it is fished but I have no way of knowing. I once called as many tuna packers as I could contact trying to find canned salmon that was fished and they told me of only one brand. Dolores Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:20:49 GMT |
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John 'the Man' #4 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
Quote: > Fish and > rice is a typical core diet in much of Asia.
I don't know about rice, but fish has bones in it. With small, or well cooked fish you can eat the bones. -- P.S.: I post comments, I NEVER answer questions on ngs. John Gohde, Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! Eat your Fruits & Vegetables. Drink your tea. And, be sure to cook your cooking.net">food with Spice.
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Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:40:01 GMT |
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Alex Brand #5 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
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> > Fish and > > rice is a typical core diet in much of Asia. > I don't know about rice, but fish has bones in it.
Rice does not have bones ;)
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Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:39 GMT |
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jwwrigh #6 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
It's possible it would contain less Hg and other contaminants in the ocean. I don't know where farmed fish are raised, but i've heard in ponds, and that's likely to have a lot of snowmelt feeding it and perhaps a cleaner environment overall even if the w3's are not there. But there may be a lot more w3's in the farmed "real" fish than the depleted wild fish. regards. Quote:
> >If Alf and other posters are correct, the fish caught in the open seas > >is healthier. Not only that, but fish farming is actually turning out > I have read (I think it was in <u>Smart Fats</u>) that farmed fish is > actually better. > Howard 330/270/220 started LC Dec 1999 > 50/42/38 (pants size) > Grossly obese/Chubby but muscular/Nothing jiggles > 1951/2000/2101 (4 lbs 2 oz at birth)
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Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:58:48 GMT |
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jwwrigh #7 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
Well, Quentin, my point was, if we eat all the fish, then the argument that we should eat fish becomes academic. The WHO has a web page with cooking.net">food production across the world. regards. Quote:
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> >Fish and rice is a typical core diet in much of Asia. > G'day G'day John, > ? One of the more interesting arguments given for not eating fish is > that Americans eat more beef than the total fish production of ... > somewhere ... I forget and it is probably irrelevant. > How much fish is farmed in Japan? > -- > Quentin Grady?????? ^? ^? / > New Zealand,?????? >#,#< [ > ??????????????????? / \ /\ > "... and the blind dog was leading." > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > http://linux.inhb.co.nz/blind-dog
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:04:13 GMT |
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Alf Christophers #8 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:43:13 +1200, Quentin Grady Quote:
>How much fish is farmed in Japan?
Very little, if any. But they import farmed fish. Eg. from Norway and several other countries.
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Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:43:53 GMT |
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Quentin Grad #9 / 9
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 Diet and bone density -- a tiny bit of info
This post not CC'd by email On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:04:13 -0500, jwwright Quote:
>Well, Quentin, my point was, if we eat all the fish, then the argument >that we should eat fish becomes academic. >The WHO has a web page with cooking.net">food production across the world. >regards.
G'day G'day JW, I reckon you have a good point that is often overlooked by people who advocate certain courses of action. What would happen if everyone took their advice? -- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin http://linux.inhb.co.nz/blind-dog
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Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:08:03 GMT |
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