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 Animal protein & bone density

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Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly Women

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a
protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a
report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
In a prospective study, Dr. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, of the University of
California, San Diego, in La Jolla, California, and colleagues examined the
associations of total, animal, and vegetable protein with bone mineral
density (BMD) and bone loss in 572 women and 388 men between the ages of 55
and 92 years.

"Multiple linear regression analyses adjusted for standard osteoporosis
covariates showed a positive association between animal protein
consumption, assessed by cooking.net">food frequency questionnaires in 1988-1992, and
BMD, measured 4 years later," the investigators report.

The association was significant in women. For them, BMD increased by 0.016
g/cm at the hip (p = 0.005) for every 15-g/day increase in animal protein
intake. BMD was also increased at the fem{*filter*}neck, spine, and total body
by 0.012 g/cm (p = 0.02), 0.015 g/cm (p = 0.08), and 0.010 g/cm (p = 0.04),
respectively.

Vegetable protein was negatively associated with BMD in both men and women.

"These findings, along with the intriguing observation of a negative
association between vegetable protein consumption and BMD, have significant
implications for osteoporosis prevention strategies and warrant further
investigation in elderly cohorts," Dr. Barrett-Connor and colleagues
conclude.

Am J Epidemiol 2002;155:636-644.



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 06:26:31 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

Quote:

> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/431555?srcmp=endo-041202

> Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly Women

> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a
> protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a
> report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

Overall, the literature on the relation between dietary protein and bone health
is mixed.  Different studies of similar quality support protective, detrimental,
and null relations.  The reasons for the discrepancies are not well understood,
but a study in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
suggests that the effect on bone of protein in the diet may differ depending on
the level of calcium in the diet (1).  Specifically, at high calcium intakes,
protein may be protective; whereas at low calcium intakes, it may be
detrimental.  

In an accompanying editorial (2), Robert Heaney proposes a mechanism that could
account for how protein could affect bone differently depending on calcium
intake, as observed in the study.  Since bone is 50% protein, higher protein
intakes should promote bone accretion.  However, higher protein intakes also
cause increased calcium losses in the urine.  The body responds to this calcium
drain by drawing from its calcium stores in bone, potentially causing bone
demineralization, and by increasing calcium absorption from the gut.  The
fraction of calcium that the body absorbs is partly dependent on the amount of
calcium in the diet.  At high calcium intakes the fraction is low; whereas at
low intakes, the faction is higher.  If calcium intake is high (such that
fractional absorption is low), then the body will up-regulate absorption
sufficiently, net bone demineralization will not occur, and higher protein
intakes will promote bone accretion.  In contrast, if calcium intake is low,
then absorption is already fully up-regulated, and the body cannot further
increase absorption to offset the calcium drain.  Thus, when intake of calcium
is low, higher protein intakes cause net bone demineralization.

-Jay



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:15:23 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density
I omitted the references from my post.  Here they are:

References:
1. Dawson-Hughes B, Harris SS. Calcium intake influences the association of
protien intake with rates of bone loss in elderly men and women. Am J Clin Nutr
2002;75:773-9.
2. Heaney RP. Protein and calcium: antagonists or synergists? Am J Clin Nutr
2002;75:609-10.



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:19:10 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density


Quote:


>> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/431555?srcmp=endo-041202

>> Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly Women

>> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a
>> protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a
>> report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

>Overall, the literature on the relation between dietary protein and bone health
>is mixed.  Different studies of similar quality support protective, detrimental,
>and null relations.  The reasons for the discrepancies are not well understood,
>but a study in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
>suggests that the effect on bone of protein in the diet may differ depending on
>the level of calcium in the diet (1).  Specifically, at high calcium intakes,
>protein may be protective; whereas at low calcium intakes, it may be
>detrimental.  

>In an accompanying editorial (2), Robert Heaney proposes a mechanism that could
>account for how protein could affect bone differently depending on calcium
>intake, as observed in the study.  Since bone is 50% protein, higher protein
>intakes should promote bone accretion.  However, higher protein intakes also
>cause increased calcium losses in the urine.  The body responds to this calcium
>drain by drawing from its calcium stores in bone, potentially causing bone
>demineralization, and by increasing calcium absorption from the gut.  The
>fraction of calcium that the body absorbs is partly dependent on the amount of
>calcium in the diet.  At high calcium intakes the fraction is low; whereas at
>low intakes, the faction is higher.  If calcium intake is high (such that
>fractional absorption is low), then the body will up-regulate absorption
>sufficiently, net bone demineralization will not occur, and higher protein
>intakes will promote bone accretion.  In contrast, if calcium intake is low,
>then absorption is already fully up-regulated, and the body cannot further
>increase absorption to offset the calcium drain.  Thus, when intake of calcium
>is low, higher protein intakes cause net bone demineralization.

>-Jay

Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
answer, just like mom always said?

Paul



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:14:14 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

Quote:




> >> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/431555?srcmp=endo-041202

> >> Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly Women

> >> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a
> >> protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a
> >> report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

> >Overall, the literature on the relation between dietary protein and bone health
> >is mixed.  Different studies of similar quality support protective, detrimental,
> >and null relations.  The reasons for the discrepancies are not well understood,
> >but a study in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
> >suggests that the effect on bone of protein in the diet may differ depending on
> >the level of calcium in the diet (1).  Specifically, at high calcium intakes,
> >protein may be protective; whereas at low calcium intakes, it may be
> >detrimental.

> >In an accompanying editorial (2), Robert Heaney proposes a mechanism that could
> >account for how protein could affect bone differently depending on calcium
> >intake, as observed in the study.  Since bone is 50% protein, higher protein
> >intakes should promote bone accretion.  However, higher protein intakes also
> >cause increased calcium losses in the urine.  The body responds to this calcium
> >drain by drawing from its calcium stores in bone, potentially causing bone
> >demineralization, and by increasing calcium absorption from the gut.  The
> >fraction of calcium that the body absorbs is partly dependent on the amount of
> >calcium in the diet.  At high calcium intakes the fraction is low; whereas at
> >low intakes, the faction is higher.  If calcium intake is high (such that
> >fractional absorption is low), then the body will up-regulate absorption
> >sufficiently, net bone demineralization will not occur, and higher protein
> >intakes will promote bone accretion.  In contrast, if calcium intake is low,
> >then absorption is already fully up-regulated, and the body cannot further
> >increase absorption to offset the calcium drain.  Thus, when intake of calcium
> >is low, higher protein intakes cause net bone demineralization.

> >-Jay

> Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
> answer, just like mom always said?

I worry about the paleos, who eschew dairy but have high-meat diets.

-Jay



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:25:07 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density


Quote:

>> Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
>> answer, just like mom always said?

>I worry about the paleos, who eschew dairy but have high-meat diets.

That's OK, Steve Harris has it covered - he worries about the meat-eaters
who drink milk too :-)

Paul



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:28:23 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density
Yep! Separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, colorized, skimmed,
enhanced,  natural milk!


Quote:


> Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
> answer, just like mom always said?

> Paul



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:49:10 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

Quote:

>Yep! Separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, colorized, skimmed,
>enhanced,  natural milk!

Gee, you say that like it's a BAD thing :-)


Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:52:13 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

Quote:



> >> Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
> >> answer, just like mom always said?

> >I worry about the paleos, who eschew dairy but have high-meat diets.

> That's OK, Steve Harris has it covered - he worries about the meat-eaters
> who drink milk too :-)

> Paul

Only due to the fat issue. Nonfat milk's an excellent source of calcium, and
has been shown to more than make for its protein load in that regard.
Non-fish meats should be moderated because of their crumby sat-fat content.
Whether you can take in enough protein from nuts, fish, and science fiction
proteinoid foods to harm your calcium balance in the absense of much red
meat and poultry intake is an open question. I wish more people tried <g>. I
WISH this was a big medical problem...

If you worry about it, there's CitraCal D, a fine supplement. Take one with
every protein shake or non-fat cream cheese sandwich, and relax.

SBH

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Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:02:37 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:02:37 -0600, "Steve Harris"

Quote:

>If you worry about it, there's CitraCal D, a fine supplement. Take one with
>every protein shake or non-fat cream cheese sandwich, and relax.

How about a sprinkle of calcium chloride on my steaks?  Just kidding...

Paul



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:38:10 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

Quote:

> Yep! Separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, colorized, skimmed,
> enhanced,  natural milk!





> > Thanks, Jay - that makes perfect sense.  So I guess low-fat milk is the
> > answer, just like mom always said?

> > Paul

Acting on their belief that the only good milk for humans is mothers
milk, and pursuing their mission statement, the Yellowsprings United
Mothers Milk Institute in Yellowsprings, Ohio is taking applications
for wet nurses.  Their fee-based clinic will strive to provide a daily
dose of that magnificent high-fat (54%) food.  No prescription will be
needed, and they will have a drive-up window.  Nurses will be paid per
ounce, and tips will be tax deductible.  YUMMI is hoping to open a
chain of these clinics nationwide.

--Hua Kul



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:57:38 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density

There was an article in New Scientist recently about a guy who was
showing that high "acid" diets were bone corrosive. His study
typically showed that consumption of more acid foods negatively
affects bone, but curiously another showed positive. They were
explaining the difference in that people who eat very low protein
diets are also susceptible to bone loss.

He rated parmesan cheese as the absolute worst acid food. Milk wasn't
so bad.

Surprisingly, another way to keep your bone mass is to eat carbonates.

Quote:
> http://www.***.com/

> Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly Women

> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a
> protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a
> report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
> In a prospective study, Dr. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, of the University of
> California, San Diego, in La Jolla, California, and colleagues examined the
> associations of total, animal, and vegetable protein with bone mineral
> density (BMD) and bone loss in 572 women and 388 men between the ages of 55
> and 92 years.

> "Multiple linear regression analyses adjusted for standard osteoporosis
> covariates showed a positive association between animal protein
> consumption, assessed by cooking.net">food frequency questionnaires in 1988-1992, and
> BMD, measured 4 years later," the investigators report.

> The association was significant in women. For them, BMD increased by 0.016
> g/cm at the hip (p = 0.005) for every 15-g/day increase in animal protein
> intake. BMD was also increased at the fem{*filter*}neck, spine, and total body
> by 0.012 g/cm (p = 0.02), 0.015 g/cm (p = 0.08), and 0.010 g/cm (p = 0.04),
> respectively.

> Vegetable protein was negatively associated with BMD in both men and women.

> "These findings, along with the intriguing observation of a negative
> association between vegetable protein consumption and BMD, have significant
> implications for osteoporosis prevention strategies and warrant further
> investigation in elderly cohorts," Dr. Barrett-Connor and colleagues
> conclude.

> Am J Epidemiol 2002;155:636-644.



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:11:05 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density


|The association was significant in women. For them, BMD increased by 0.016
|g/cm at the hip (p = 0.005) for every 15-g/day increase in animal protein
|intake.

I have a different solution.

Eat vegetables and squat with weight.



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:48:59 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:48:59 -0400, Michael Roose

Quote:



>|The association was significant in women. For them, BMD increased by 0.016
>|g/cm at the hip (p = 0.005) for every 15-g/day increase in animal protein
>|intake.

>I have a different solution.

>Eat vegetables and squat with weight.

You'll have an easier time convincing 75-yo women to eat steak than squat
with weight.


Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:59:42 GMT
 Animal protein & bone density


|>I have a different solution.
|>
|>Eat vegetables and squat with weight.
|
|You'll have an easier time convincing 75-yo women to eat steak than squat
|with weight.

What, fat 75 year olds don't go potty? :(



Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:52:38 GMT
 
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