REQ: Plastic/ Cosmetic Surgery type of Gene Therapy
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Miss Caroline Bran #1 / 13
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Hello Doctors, I am writing an action-adventure screenplay wherein the hero, who is a Hispanic uses gene therapy to turn himself into a Nordic hunk. This involves his obtaining the necessary genes for skin depigmentation, iris depigmentation to get the baby blue hue, and blond hair; and using self-medication to effect the transition. My question is, does this sound like sci-fi, or, as I guess it to be, is it really practicable even today, for an enterprising person like the protagonist in my story, to get hold of the relevant genetic material to effect the changes as outlined above? Also, will the current modes of gene therapy enable such a radical transformation to take place? Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Caroline Brandt Christ Church, Oxford <><
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Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:50:34 GMT |
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Jorg #2 / 13
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Not all hispanics are dark skin and certainly not all would want to become the dumb blond, blue eyed stereotype which pretty much plays into the neonazi crowd. Quote:
> Hello Doctors, > I am writing an action-adventure screenplay wherein the hero, who is a > Hispanic uses gene therapy to turn himself into a Nordic hunk. This > involves his obtaining the necessary genes for skin depigmentation, > iris depigmentation to get the baby blue hue, and blond hair; and > using self-medication to effect the transition. > My question is, does this sound like sci-fi, or, as I guess it to be, > is it really practicable even today, for an enterprising person like > the protagonist in my story, to get hold of the relevant genetic > material to effect the changes as outlined above? Also, will the > current modes of gene therapy enable such a radical transformation to > take place? > Thanks for your help. > Sincerely, > Caroline Brandt > Christ Church, Oxford > <><
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Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:02:16 GMT |
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JEDilwort #3 / 13
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It sounds ridiculous. I agree with Jorge - who exactly are you writing this for, anyway? Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology Quote:
> Hello Doctors, > I am writing an action-adventure screenplay wherein the hero, who is a > Hispanic uses gene therapy to turn himself into a Nordic hunk. This > involves his obtaining the necessary genes for skin depigmentation, > iris depigmentation to get the baby blue hue, and blond hair; and > using self-medication to effect the transition.
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Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:19:43 GMT |
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The Real Be #4 / 13
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> Hello Doctors, > I am writing an action-adventure screenplay wherein the hero, who is a > Hispanic uses gene therapy to turn himself into a Nordic hunk. This > involves his obtaining the necessary genes for skin depigmentation, > iris depigmentation to get the baby blue hue, and blond hair; and > using self-medication to effect the transition.
If you want to hire an 'after' actor, check out the website of a guy called Trygve Lode. He's a 7-foot tall body builder as well as a singing single sysadmin. I see Cheech in the 'before' role... Quote: > My question is, does this sound like sci-fi, or, as I guess it to be, > is it really practicable even today, for an enterprising person like > the protagonist in my story, to get hold of the relevant genetic > material to effect the changes as outlined above? Also, will the > current modes of gene therapy enable such a radical transformation to > take place?
You might ask Michael Jackson what he's done... -- Cheers, Bev ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My life outside of USENET is so full of love and kindness that I have to come here to find the venom and bile that I crave." --R. Damiani
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Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:30:25 GMT |
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Beverly Erlebach #5 / 13
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Quote: >I am writing an action-adventure screenplay wherein the hero, who is a >Hispanic uses gene therapy to turn himself into a Nordic hunk. This >involves his obtaining the necessary genes for skin depigmentation, >iris depigmentation to get the baby blue hue, and blond hair; and >using self-medication to effect the transition. >My question is, does this sound like sci-fi, or, as I guess it to be, >is it really practicable even today, for an enterprising person like >the protagonist in my story, to get hold of the relevant genetic >material to effect the changes as outlined above? Also, will the >current modes of gene therapy enable such a radical transformation to >take place?
It will be a long long time until such changes can be programmed into a fertilized egg, if ever, much less "convert" an {*filter*}. There are {*filter*}, however, that can darken skin pigmentation - many years ago a writer took them so he could look like an American black, and described his experiences in a book called "Black Like Me". AFAIK, the only successes in gene therapy have been converting bone marrow and liver cells to express specific enzymes that the patient is genetically unable to produce. One disease, which I can't remember the name of, is so rare that a medical geneticist once told me that there are more people studying it than have it. The other is a very rare form of familial hypercholesterolemia that kills patients before age 30. There aren't even gene therapy treatments for very common genetic defects like sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis yet, so don't hold your breath on the cosmetic stuff. Your character could bleach his hair, wear contact lenses and use makeup, and a little surgery could alter his features too. Steroids to become a hunk, I guess, but don't try this at home. On the other hand, movie science is well known for its lack of relationship to real life science, so most likely you shouldn't let reality get in the way of your art!
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Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:25:41 GMT |
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Miss Caroline Bran #6 / 13
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> It sounds ridiculous. I agree with Jorge - who exactly are you writing > this for, anyway?
I am sorry if it sounds racist, but its an espionage thriller in which the hero is necessarily transiting two different racial appearances. I had hoped that there would be some genuinely scientific feedback from these Newsgroups, but it hasn't turned out that correct. You folks are a disgrace to the Usenet. Maybe you ought to look at some other technical newsgroups to find out how a technical group ought to function. Bye, Caroline
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Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:05:57 GMT |
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The Real Be #7 / 13
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> > It sounds ridiculous. I agree with Jorge - who exactly are you writing > > this for, anyway? > I am sorry if it sounds racist, but its an espionage thriller in which > the hero is necessarily transiting two different racial appearances. > I had hoped that there would be some genuinely scientific feedback > from these Newsgroups, but it hasn't turned out that correct. You > folks are a disgrace to the Usenet. Maybe you ought to look at some > other technical newsgroups to find out how a technical group ought to > function.
Experts are normally paid for technical consultation on for-profit projects; a friend bought a condo at Mammoth out of the proceeds of his consultation on a movie. Did I hear you mention money, or were you just hoping to get lucky? -- Cheers, Bev *********************************************** "A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the {*filter*} is working." -- Tanuki
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Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:32:26 GMT |
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Miss Caroline Bran #8 / 13
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> It will be a long long time until such changes can be programmed into > a fertilized egg, if ever, much less "convert" an {*filter*}. There are > {*filter*}, however, that can darken skin pigmentation - many years ago a > writer took them so he could look like an American black, and described > his experiences in a book called "Black Like Me". > AFAIK, the only successes in gene therapy have been converting bone > marrow and liver cells to express specific enzymes that the patient > is genetically unable to produce. One disease, which I can't remember > the name of, is so rare that a medical geneticist once told me that > there are more people studying it than have it. The other is a very > rare form of familial hypercholesterolemia that kills patients before > age 30. There aren't even gene therapy treatments for very common > genetic defects like sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis yet, so > don't hold your breath on the cosmetic stuff. > Your character could bleach his hair, wear contact lenses and use makeup, > and a little surgery could alter his features too. Steroids to become a > hunk, I guess, but don't try this at home. > On the other hand, movie science is well known for its lack of relationship > to real life science, so most likely you shouldn't let reality get in the > way of your art!
Beverly, Thanks for the information. Yours is among the rational and well-informed posts amid the confusion and chaos in these NGs from hecklers. Sincerely, Caroline <><
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Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:57:54 GMT |
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Jorg #9 / 13
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> > It will be a long long time until such changes can be programmed into > > a fertilized egg, if ever, much less "convert" an {*filter*}. There are > > {*filter*}, however, that can darken skin pigmentation - many years ago a > > writer took them so he could look like an American black, and described > > his experiences in a book called "Black Like Me". > > AFAIK, the only successes in gene therapy have been converting bone > > marrow and liver cells to express specific enzymes that the patient > > is genetically unable to produce. One disease, which I can't remember > > the name of, is so rare that a medical geneticist once told me that > > there are more people studying it than have it. The other is a very > > rare form of familial hypercholesterolemia that kills patients before > > age 30. There aren't even gene therapy treatments for very common > > genetic defects like sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis yet, so > > don't hold your breath on the cosmetic stuff. > > Your character could bleach his hair, wear contact lenses and use makeup, > > and a little surgery could alter his features too. Steroids to become a > > hunk, I guess, but don't try this at home. > > On the other hand, movie science is well known for its lack of relationship > > to real life science, so most likely you shouldn't let reality get in the > > way of your art! > Beverly, > Thanks for the information. Yours is among the rational and > well-informed posts amid the confusion and chaos in these NGs from > hecklers. > Sincerely, > Caroline
Don't give up on your dreams as one of these days you might be given the opportunity to hold that torch at the next burning cross ceremony. Quote:
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Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:54:33 GMT |
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Miss Caroline Bran #10 / 13
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Quote: > Experts are normally paid for technical consultation on for-profit > projects; a friend bought a condo at Mammoth out of the proceeds of his > consultation on a movie. Did I hear you mention money, or were you just > hoping to get lucky?
If the matter I am compiling has been commissioned by a studio or production house, sure, then I am in screenwriter heaven, like your pal, and then you have every right to being paid upfront for consultation. In that case, in fact, I'd straight off seek an appointment with a consultant. Unfortunately, I am merely writing a spec [speculative] screenplay, and currently there are better odds at winning the lottery than getting a spec screenplay sold. Hence, your analogy doesn't quite apply in this instance. So, why do I, and countless others, bother to write spec at all. Because every time we feel we have a winner, and hope others agree. Sure, if and when I do manage to convince others, like your pal in screenwriting heaven evidently did, I'd look up those who helped me, but till then my thanks and good wishes are all that you have. Hope this clears up matters. Caroline <><
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Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:20:08 GMT |
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT |
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donald thompso #12 / 13
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My dearest Caroline, You posted a question of which you surely knew would have no answer. After all, were there such "horrors" in a syringe, would you expect the newsgroups to produce a " doctor " willing to share his secret. I would think that an artist would seek out criticizism. Jorge would become a treasure. Your first post gave so little information, yet, Jorge was able to conjure up racism. And guess what? He is right, and, he is wrong. One thing for sure, Jorge represents life. Seems to me you are attempting a fictional work, and would like to base your work on facts. Facts will, by their nature, destroy a work of fiction. How about this scenario: Jorge was abducted from his Madrid home as a child. He is enslaved in the deep woods of Montana. Montana is now the capitol of the world. Jorges' captors are all blond, blue eyed, and milky white skin tone. Jorge becomes a trusted slave and gains knowledge that his captors are actually aliens out to destroy earth. Jorge discovers a medicine the aliens use. He infuses himself with the medicine, hoping to die, rather to live the life of a slave. The medicine gives Jorge super powers, but even so, he needs help to defeat the aliens. The problem is that the medicine will work only on people of "good hearts". Jorge must locate as many people of Spanish descent as possible and convince them to take the medicine. The problem is.................... Caroline, never thrash your detractors. Relish life and all its meanings. Good luck on your project. Don
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Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:12:21 GMT |
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Jorg #13 / 13
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> >snip< > My dearest Caroline, > You posted a question of which you surely knew would have no answer. After > all, were there such "horrors" in a syringe, would you expect the newsgroups > to produce a " doctor " willing to share his secret.
Read the nazi war crimes on medical experiments. Twins were always valued. They gave estrogen to pregnant women to create high I.Q. infants. The only problem is that these individuals had a high rate of schizophrenia later on in {*filter*} life. One of the movies" A view to a kill" had a character based on this. It is true, they valued the aryan race. Quote: > I would think that an artist would seek out criticizism. Jorge would become > a treasure. Your first post gave so little information, yet, Jorge was able > to conjure up racism. And guess what? He is right, and, he is wrong. One > thing for sure, Jorge represents life.
Conjure up racism? Artistic renditions are provocative by nature. There are no right or wrong impressions. Once the horse is out of the barn the artist has no control over interpretations of his work so I don't understand your position that I am "right and wrong". A writer of all people knows the impact of words. Read the original post and see that she was running with the bulls in spain wearing red and try to convince the bull that it is all a misunderstanding. Quote: > Seems to me you are attempting a fictional work, and would like to base your > work on facts. Facts will, by their nature, destroy a work of fiction.
If she wants to base her work on facts then why not have plastic surgery to change {*filter*} features. Quote: > How about this scenario: Jorge was abducted from his Madrid home as a > child. He is enslaved in the deep woods of Montana. Montana is now the > capitol of the world. Jorges' captors are all blond, blue eyed, and milky > white skin tone. > Jorge becomes a trusted slave and gains knowledge that his captors are > actually aliens out to destroy earth. Jorge discovers a medicine the aliens > use. He infuses himself with the medicine, hoping to die, rather to live > the life of a slave. The medicine gives Jorge super powers, but even so, he > needs help to defeat the aliens. The problem is that the medicine will work > only on people of "good hearts". Jorge must locate as many people of > Spanish descent as possible and convince them to take the medicine. The > problem is....................
I get to make love to a white aryan first right, before they are all destroyed? Quote: > Caroline, never thrash your detractors. Relish life and all its meanings. > Good luck on your project. > Don
The mantel piece of her work seems to be the metamorphosis of a hispanic hero, which is based on deeds, to an aryan hunk. Her reply only solidifies her position on not changing it which I perceived as something deep seated in her psyche.
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