With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there... 
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 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

The modern pharmacuetical health quacks are simply, supersalespeople

They play on fear, they cater to hope and once they have you
hooked, theyll keep you coming back for more.. and more.. and more

Seldom do quack victims realize how skillfully they are cheated

Does the mother who feels good as she hands her child a ritalin pill
think to ask herself whether the child really needs it..

Do subscribers to *the latest cure* publications realize that articles
are slanted to stimulate business for their advertisers ?

Most people think that quackery is easy to spot..

Often it is not, its promoters wear and hide in the cloak of science
They use scientific terms and quote or misquote scientific references
They often refer to themselves as *scientists ahead of their time*

The very word *quack* helps their camouflage by making us think of an
outlandish character selling antifreeze l from the back of an old wagon
And, of course, no intelligent people would buy anti freeze for a cure, would
they ??

Well, maybe antifreeze isn't selling so well these days..

But for chemotherapy?, radiation?, Mega antibiotics?, Polyetheylne Glycol?
Latest diet book?, Stress formulas?, ie..prozac, xanax etc.
Cholesterol-lowering {*filter*} like lipitor a major killer of the liver.
pharmaceutical remedies?, Non Nutritional *cures* for AIDS?, like AZT or drigs
to pep you up?
business is booming with annual profits in the billions..

Seontonin reducers, Synthetic Interferon Immune boosters, Water purifiers such
as chlorine and flouride, Ergogenic aids like melathion, Systems to
balance body chemistry like lithium, Special {*filter*} for arthritis such as
tylenol,
Their product list is endless

What sells is not the quality of their products but
their ability to influence their audience
* To those in pain, they promise relief
* To the incurable, they offer hope
* To the nutrition-conscious, they say, *Make sure you have enough* *{*filter*}*
* To a public worried about pollution, they say *Buy this chemical to
counteract that chemical*
* To one and all, they promise better health and a longer life
* Modern quacks can reach people emotionally, and DO

:)))))))

I agree.



Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:16:06 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:
>Seontonin reducers,

I am assuming that you mean a Serotonin reducer?  What would that be?


Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:30:47 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:
>a neurotransmitter involved in
>e.g. sleep and depression and memory

Right - the class being SSRI, or selective re-uptake inhibitor...but hardly a
"reducer".  I just wondered what the purpose of a serotonin reducer would be.
My knowledge of things like that is pretty limited, what with my being a
redneck and all.
Jen


Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:34:30 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
Quote:
>  SSRIs are
>not for everyone and there are chemical differences in their compositions.

Thanks, Lynne - but I was really just being sarcastic. ( My husband has been on
several different SSRI's, and I suppose they're fine if low serotonin levels
are the problem - they're worthless if that's not were the problem lies.)
  My point was that they are made to boost seratonin levels and to keep them
in your system longer, as opposed to being a "reducer" which I had never heard
of.
Jen


Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:26:48 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:

> The modern alternative health quacks are simply, supersalespeople
> They play on fear, they cater to hope and once they have you
> hooked, theyll keep you coming back for more.. and more.. and more

> Seldom do quack victims realize how skillfully they are cheated
> Does the mother who feels good as she hands her child a vitamin
> think to ask herself whether the child really needs it..
> Do subscribers to *health* publications realize that articles
> are slanted to stimulate business for their advertisers ?

> Most people think that quackery is easy to spot..
> Often it is not, its promoters wear and hide in the cloak of science
> They use scientific terms and quote or misquote scientific references
> They often refer to themselves as *scientists ahead of their time*

> The very word *quack* helps their camouflage by making us think of an
> outlandish character selling snake oil from the back of an old wagon
> And, of course, no intelligent people would buy snake oil, would they ??

> Well, maybe snake oil isn't selling so well these days..
> But for Acupuncture?, Organic foods?, Megavitamins?, Hair analysis?
> Magnets?, Latest diet book?, Stress formulas?, Cholesterol-lowering
> teas?
> Homeopathic remedies?, Nutritional *cures* for AIDS?, or Shots to pep
> you up? business is booming with annual profits in the billions..

> Spot reducers, Immune boosters, Water purifiers, Ergogenic aids,
> Systems to balance body chemistry, Special diets for arthritis
> Their product list is endless

> What sells is not the quality of their products but
> their ability to influence their audience
> * To those in pain, they promise relief
> * To the incurable, they offer hope
> * To the nutrition-conscious, they say, *Make sure you have enough*
> * To a public worried about pollution, they say *Buy natural*
> * To one and all, they promise better health and a longer life
> * Modern quacks can reach people emotionally, and DO

What medical qualifications do you posses that entitle you to pass this
judgement on the treatments other people chose to use?

This is just *your* opinion and has no scientific basis at all!

Can you post some scientific evidence to back up your claims, or can we
just delete this as more of your biased opinions?

Alan



Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:58:00 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:

> Pills to, help you make it through the night, or day
> or year, or life I guess

Yes! It's a bit like your beer isn't it?  And your fantasy world where you
are a professor who drives a porsche!

Alan



Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:30:00 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
I believe the word quack comes from German, related to the word quicksilver
for mercury, which some were using long ago with silver for teeth
fillings......
Sue



Quote:
> The modern alternative health quacks are simply, supersalespeople
> They play on fear, they cater to hope and once they have you
> hooked, theyll keep you coming back for more.. and more.. and more

> Seldom do quack victims realize how skillfully they are cheated
> Does the mother who feels good as she hands her child a vitamin
> think to ask herself whether the child really needs it..
> Do subscribers to *health* publications realize that articles
> are slanted to stimulate business for their advertisers ?

> Most people think that quackery is easy to spot..
> Often it is not, its promoters wear and hide in the cloak of science
> They use scientific terms and quote or misquote scientific references
> They often refer to themselves as *scientists ahead of their time*

> The very word *quack* helps their camouflage by making us think of an
> outlandish character selling snake oil from the back of an old wagon
> And, of course, no intelligent people would buy snake oil, would they ??

> Well, maybe snake oil isn't selling so well these days..
> But for Acupuncture?, Organic foods?, Megavitamins?, Hair analysis?
> Magnets?, Latest diet book?, Stress formulas?, Cholesterol-lowering teas?
> Homeopathic remedies?, Nutritional *cures* for AIDS?, or Shots to pep you
up?
> business is booming with annual profits in the billions..

> Spot reducers, Immune boosters, Water purifiers, Ergogenic aids, Systems
to
> balance body chemistry, Special diets for arthritis
> Their product list is endless

> What sells is not the quality of their products but
> their ability to influence their audience
> * To those in pain, they promise relief
> * To the incurable, they offer hope
> * To the nutrition-conscious, they say, *Make sure you have enough*
> * To a public worried about pollution, they say *Buy natural*
> * To one and all, they promise better health and a longer life
> * Modern quacks can reach people emotionally, and DO

> Professor Von Two Steps



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:36:02 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:
>a neurotransmitter involved in
>e.g. sleep and depression and memory

Right - the class being SSRI, or selective re-uptake inhibitor...but hardly a
"reducer".  I just wondered what the purpose of a serotonin reducer would be.
My knowledge of things like that is pretty limited, what with my being a
redneck and all.
Jen

Oh well inhibit....hide....reduce. It does actually BLOCK the serotonin to the
brain for serious problems like psycosis, alzihiemers, schitsophrenia and other
mental disorders, however on the other hand your right.... for depression and
common ailments of the mind, it enhances the serotonin. don't ask me why the
difference...and whatever you do don't ask a doctor. (They don't cure hiccups
though) but Thorazine does, however, I would'nt give that to my dog either
since one of the side effects is severe {*filter*} and muscle twitching....which I
just don't need right now. I got enough headaches without drug induced
tourettes.

It is crucial to learn that according to medical research
the theory behind this group of {*filter*} is invalid. Known as
serotonin reuptake inhibitors. They are designed to block
serotonin in the brain, thereby increasing brain levels of
this neurotransmitter. Yet for three decades researchers
have been intensely interested in serotonin because LSD and
PCP produce their psychedelic effects by mimicking
serotonin. Elevated serotonin is found in: psychosis or
schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental
retardation, autism and Alzheimer's. While low levels of the
metabolism of serotonin (which also produces high
serotonin),

so if ya get sad, they give ya some {*filter*} for psyhcosis, schizophrenia....
etcetera. lol. And charge your insurance company through the nose drain it with
a hose...suck it right up like there's no tomorrow.

haha.

Kim

Kim



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:04:37 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
 My point was that they are made to boost seratonin levels and to keep them
in your system longer, as opposed to being a "reducer" which I had never heard

depends what the psych problem is...they either block it or enhance it.



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:05:31 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
I believe the word quack comes from German, related to the word quicksilver
for mercury, which some were using long ago with silver for teeth
fillings......

If you don't get mercury now and can't afford the porceline ones...I think you
get amalgam that has lead. But don't worry...LOL it won't do any damage. as
long as it does'nt fall out and you don't swallow it.  Or is that quackery?



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:08:14 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
Mercury goes back to Greek Mythology.
Mercury or Hermes was the god of persuasive speech or oratory.
He is the god of those who use persuasiveness to cajole buyers into
buying whatever they are purchasing.  He is the protector of thieves
and  and rascals.

I wonder how long we bought mercury fillings for? Where was that protector of
theives and rascals when the dentist was pouring mercury down my throat and
charging me for it?



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:09:36 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...
for mercury, which some were using long ago with silver for teeth
fillings......

lest we forget the thermisol that is contained in the HEP B vaccine. I wonder
what thermisol is anyway. never mind the fermalgahyde.



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:57:09 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Do you smoke cigarettes Kim?  Formaldehyde is an ingredient in
cigarettes.

Yes I do, and there is cyanide in them too. They are a harmful product and I
recognize that. I wish I did'nt smoke. I suppose I could get zyban, but I
have'nt looked up the ingredients in that yet. I don't smoke in the house
though....not that it makes my bad habbit better.



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:40:44 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:

> Do you smoke cigarettes Kim?  Formaldehyde is an ingredient in
> cigarettes.

> Yes I do, and there is cyanide in them too. They are a harmful product and I
> recognize that. I wish I did'nt smoke. I suppose I could get zyban, but I
> have'nt looked up the ingredients in that yet. I don't smoke in the house
> though....not that it makes my bad habbit better.

 I always ask smokers if they enjoyed their very first cigarette. Almost
universally the answer is, "No!"  I then ask why they tried it a second
time. They never have an answer.
 A documentary on {*filter*}ions claimed that nicotine is harder to kick
than {*filter*}, junk or coke.
 Good luck Kim.

        rick

        rick



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:06:24 GMT
 With a quack quack here, and a quack quack there...

Quote:
>Oh well inhibit....hide....reduce. It does actually BLOCK the serotonin to the

RE-UPTAKE inhibitor - How they work
"The brain is made up of millions of interconnected brain cells (neurons).
Messages travel along these cells rather like electricity down a wire, but when
the message reaches the end of the neuron, it has to jump the gap (synapse) to
the next cell or group of cells.

This is achieved by the neuron releasing tiny amounts of a chemical
(neurotransmitter) into the gap between the nerve cells.

The receiving neuron has many places on its surface which act rather like
locks, for which the appropriate neurotransmitter is the key. These are called
receptors. When enough of the neurotransmitter has locked on to these
receptors, a nerve impulse is started in the new nerve, and thus the massage
gets from one nerve to the next.

In order to allow the nerve to recover and receive the next message, and in
order to replenish stocks of the neurotransmitter in the original neuron, ready
to send the next message, the body has a clever way of removing the
neurotransmitter from the receptors, and allowing it to be taken back into the
originating nerve (re-uptake).

In depression certain neurotransmitters are relatively lacking. One of those is
serotonin, also known as 5-hydroxytryptamine or 5-HT. The SSRIs (Selective
Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors) slow down the process of returning the
serotonin to the end of the neuron it comes from. This leads to the chemical
remaining in the vicinity of the receptors for longer, making it more likely
that enough will build up to set off the impulse in the next neuron.

Thus, the SSRIs work by allowing the body to make the best use of the reduced
amounts of serotonin that it has at the time. In due course, the levels of
natural serotonin will rise again, and the SSRI can be reduced and withdrawn."
    http://www.***.com/ {*filter*}/ssris.html



Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:56:25 GMT
 
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