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 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer

Hello/

I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
way worse!

His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

 Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

 The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

 Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

-----------------------------------------------------------
Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

Thank you so much!
Elizabeth



Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:41:11 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer


Quote:
> Hello/

> I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> way worse!

> His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

>  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

>  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

>  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> Thank you so much!
> Elizabeth

It's pretty straightforward surgery, so not "risky" I guess.
Of course the pathologist will assess the tumour. After chemotherapy and
radiotherapy, however, the "stage" doesn't mean much.


Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:33:30 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer

Quote:

> Hello/

> I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> way worse!

> His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

>  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

>  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

>  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> Thank you so much!
> Elizabeth

Hello Polly,


info and support about his Mom's cancer.
If you click on that, and your newsreader is set up properly, it should
take you right there.
Hopefully, you'll not be having to care for both at the same time?

Here's one resource that I use to look up a cancer http://www.nci.nih.gov/

(there's others).
Steph's a radiation oncologist and XXX (sorry Steph, I forget the
details)  surgery too, so you'll know you're getting good information from
any of his replies.

My Dad (and uncle and grandfather) had colon cancer.
They caught it early with my Dad, so had most (or all) of his large bowel
removed and didn't require any chemo.  I have no idea what Stage that
would have been.  As far as we know, he died of pneumonia from
overwhelming infection about 15 years later, not from cancer itself. In
fact, he was checked regularly and only had a basal cell thing near his
eye in later years, so the surgery (for him) was a life-saver.

Here's Colorectal cancer
http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancer_information/cancer_type/colon_and_rectal/
The stages etc are discussed there too.

I noticed the other long reply you posted, was cross-posted to alt.support
cancer.
If you want to discuss your friend and arachnoiditis, you may wish to post

For the cancer issues, alt.support.cancer for relatives, patients and
caregivers.  Try not to mix the two together.  The cancer patients have
enough to deal with, without confusing posts about another condition.
Some of us will try to help on the cancer questions if/as they come up, if
applicable.

Take care of yourself, sounds like you've got a handfull there (to cope
with) at the moment.

Hope this helps,
J



Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:18:09 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer
Dear Steph,

 Thank you for that info I didn't know how risky the operation would
be..
But know Im concern about what you said about the stages ?

 Does that mean even if the cancer is at stage 2 it still possible for
it to have spread..Or don't they really know what stage the cancer is
in till they operate...

What we heard is when the cut the tumor thats when the cancer cells
send a message off warning the other cancer cells to travel to other
places?

 or are the other cancer cells in other area's already waiting to get
the  message they are under attack "As removing the tumor ..

 Is a cancer cell like a Virus/

Thanks much,
Elizabeth

Quote:



> > Hello/

> > I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> > this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> > way worse!

> > His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> > tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> > before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

> >  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

> >  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

> >  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> > at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> > out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> > Thank you so much!
> > Elizabeth

> It's pretty straightforward surgery, so not "risky" I guess.
> Of course the pathologist will assess the tumour. After chemotherapy and
> radiotherapy, however, the "stage" doesn't mean much.



Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:39:52 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer


Quote:
> Dear Steph,

>  Thank you for that info I didn't know how risky the operation would
> be..
> But know Im concern about what you said about the stages ?

>  Does that mean even if the cancer is at stage 2 it still possible for
> it to have spread..Or don't they really know what stage the cancer is
> in till they operate...

Preoperative chemotherapy and radiotherapy "downstage" the cancer. So nobody
knows what the true stage was before chemo and RT

Quote:
> What we heard is when the cut the tumor thats when the cancer cells
> send a message off warning the other cancer cells to travel to other
> places?

No, that's untrue

Quote:
>  or are the other cancer cells in other area's already waiting to get
> the  message they are under attack "As removing the tumor ..

>  Is a cancer cell like a Virus/

Not at all. It's pretty standard porentially curative treatment to do
surgery after radiotherapy now. In some places, surgery after chemo RT

Quote:
> Thanks much,
> Elizabeth




Quote:


> > > Hello/

> > > I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> > > this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> > > way worse!

> > > His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> > > tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> > > before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

> > >  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

> > >  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

> > >  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> > > at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> > > out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> > > Thank you so much!
> > > Elizabeth

> > It's pretty straightforward surgery, so not "risky" I guess.
> > Of course the pathologist will assess the tumour. After chemotherapy and
> > radiotherapy, however, the "stage" doesn't mean much.



Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:15:06 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer
Elizabeth,  I just had that surgery a month ago.  Here are a couple of
advice.  First of all, ask your friend's mother to allow the hospital to
release her medical information to you.  This in essence allows you to be
the eyes and ears of your friend, who won't be able to be at the hospital
with his mother.  The hospital won't tell you anything unless you are a
relative, so if you are going to be helping your friend, you need to have
access same as a relative.

Second, it is major surgery, so it certainly has risks.  During my surgery I
did not need {*filter*} transfusion, so there was very little bleeding.  But
orginally they told me it would take 3-4 hours, and it took 6 hours.  I was
not aware of anything of course, but it did drive my wife crazy in the
waiting room.

My surgeon took out 3 lymph nodes.  My oncologist said she would've like to
see more lymph nodes.  Yes it is pretty standard to remove lymph nodes for
pathological exams.  My surgeon also examined my liver to see if there was
any spreading.

The recovering can be sometimes difficult.  I stayed in the hospital for 6
days, and I am relatively healthy.  So depending on the health of Dorothy,
she could be in the hospital for 6, 7 days.  One month after the surgery, I
am still dealing with problems with bowl movements.  This is common for this
type of surgery.  It is not something that anyone can help me with.  But I
am grateful that I have a wife who can do almost all the household chores
such as cleaning and cooking and washing.  I am assuming Dorothy will need
help with all of that.

A couple of things that's been helpful in my recovery:  infant wipes (I use
that instead of toilet paper, more expensive and certainly worth it's weight
in gold), and{*filter*}ol (a hemorroid treatment).


Quote:
> Hello/

> I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> way worse!

> His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

>  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

>  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

>  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> Thank you so much!
> Elizabeth



Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:10:16 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer
Dear Peter ,

 Thank all of you so so much for writing me back .
Dorothy came out from surgery "Long day and like you said "Much stress
on all!

I couldn't be there "I was staying with her Son..

She was in surgery for over 7 hrs. Doctor came out and said "He was
Pleased on  the operation it went very well and the tumor wasn't as
large as they thought.. He told them he got the tumor and was very
pleased with the cancer he got...

" He never said one way or another "If all the cancer was gone ! But
to me "That  doesn't sound good,,"? Perhaps I am thinking to much into
what he said "That he was very please with the cancer he got..? Or
they can't tell you till after the lymph nodes have been check for
cancer.>> "I don't know..

Anyway Peter thank you for we told Curly "Dorothy Husband what you
said about us getting her medical records and about using Baby wipes
with the cream.... I will get some tommorrow for her :When she comes
home ...Peter they removed her rectum completly and now she will have
a bag.... "Is that what you have found the cream good for using it ro
calm the skin on her side where the bag will fit over keeping it from
irratation...

 Also she is going to have some come in and show her what she has to
do to change bags... But Her husband and her will need help..."She is
very Healthy for 78 also so I hope she will heal fast..

"As of now She is Not having pain and wants to be alone! "The best
thing for her is Rest...

Thank you again ! It helps so much !

Elizabeth!

 PS I will look at the that web site! And correcting me on how I
thought cancer would spread!

Quote:

> Elizabeth,  I just had that surgery a month ago.  Here are a couple of
> advice.  First of all, ask your friend's mother to allow the hospital to
> release her medical information to you.  This in essence allows you to be
> the eyes and ears of your friend, who won't be able to be at the hospital
> with his mother.  The hospital won't tell you anything unless you are a
> relative, so if you are going to be helping your friend, you need to have
> access same as a relative.

> Second, it is major surgery, so it certainly has risks.  During my surgery I
> did not need {*filter*} transfusion, so there was very little bleeding.  But
> orginally they told me it would take 3-4 hours, and it took 6 hours.  I was
> not aware of anything of course, but it did drive my wife crazy in the
> waiting room.

> My surgeon took out 3 lymph nodes.  My oncologist said she would've like to
> see more lymph nodes.  Yes it is pretty standard to remove lymph nodes for
> pathological exams.  My surgeon also examined my liver to see if there was
> any spreading.

> The recovering can be sometimes difficult.  I stayed in the hospital for 6
> days, and I am relatively healthy.  So depending on the health of Dorothy,
> she could be in the hospital for 6, 7 days.  One month after the surgery, I
> am still dealing with problems with bowl movements.  This is common for this
> type of surgery.  It is not something that anyone can help me with.  But I
> am grateful that I have a wife who can do almost all the household chores
> such as cleaning and cooking and washing.  I am assuming Dorothy will need
> help with all of that.

> A couple of things that's been helpful in my recovery:  infant wipes (I use
> that instead of toilet paper, more expensive and certainly worth it's weight
> in gold), and{*filter*}ol (a hemorroid treatment).



> > Hello/

> > I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> > this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> > way worse!

> > His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> > tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> > before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

> >  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

> >  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

> >  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> > at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> > out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> > Thank you so much!
> > Elizabeth



Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:51:59 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer
Thank you J, For those resource.. And telling me about your family
having this operation ...

 Also can you .Stept tell me why Chem, and Radiontion cause hemmroids
to become severly Inflammed ..."That's what she was complaining about
when she had that treatment .....But now they have been removed!
I was just wondering!

Thanx's again!
Elizabeth

!

Quote:


> > Hello/

> > I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> > this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> > way worse!

> > His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> > tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> > before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

> >  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

> >  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

> >  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> > at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> > out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> > Thank you so much!
> > Elizabeth

> Hello Polly,


> info and support about his Mom's cancer.
> If you click on that, and your newsreader is set up properly, it should
> take you right there.
> Hopefully, you'll not be having to care for both at the same time?

> Here's one resource that I use to look up a cancer http://www.nci.nih.gov/

> (there's others).
> Steph's a radiation oncologist and XXX (sorry Steph, I forget the
> details)  surgery too, so you'll know you're getting good information from
> any of his replies.

> My Dad (and uncle and grandfather) had colon cancer.
> They caught it early with my Dad, so had most (or all) of his large bowel
> removed and didn't require any chemo.  I have no idea what Stage that
> would have been.  As far as we know, he died of pneumonia from
> overwhelming infection about 15 years later, not from cancer itself. In
> fact, he was checked regularly and only had a basal cell thing near his
> eye in later years, so the surgery (for him) was a life-saver.

> Here's Colorectal cancer
> http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancer_information/cancer_type/colon_and_rectal/
> The stages etc are discussed there too.

> I noticed the other long reply you posted, was cross-posted to alt.support
> cancer.
> If you want to discuss your friend and arachnoiditis, you may wish to post

> For the cancer issues, alt.support.cancer for relatives, patients and
> caregivers.  Try not to mix the two together.  The cancer patients have
> enough to deal with, without confusing posts about another condition.
> Some of us will try to help on the cancer questions if/as they come up, if
> applicable.

> Take care of yourself, sounds like you've got a handfull there (to cope
> with) at the moment.

> Hope this helps,
> J



Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:13:04 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer


Quote:
> Thank you J, For those resource.. And telling me about your family
> having this operation ...

>  Also can you .Stept tell me why Chem, and Radiontion cause hemmroids
> to become severly Inflammed ..."That's what she was complaining about
> when she had that treatment .....But now they have been removed!
> I was just wondering!

> Thanx's again!
> Elizabeth

> !

Chemo and radiation to the bowel often cause diarrhoea. Diarrhoea inflames
haemorrhoids


Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:26:56 GMT
 Hello Mother is Having Surgery Cancer
Elizabeth:  I did not have to wear a bag.  My advice re: infant wipes and
hemmeroid medicine (BTW, don't use any with steroids), is for much more
frequent bowl movements after surgery.

Make sure your friend's mother moves around and walk while recovering.  I
also have cramps again due to frequent bowl movements.  That lasted a couple
of days and was very uncomfortable.


Quote:
> Dear Peter ,

>  Thank all of you so so much for writing me back .
> Dorothy came out from surgery "Long day and like you said "Much stress
> on all!

> I couldn't be there "I was staying with her Son..

> She was in surgery for over 7 hrs. Doctor came out and said "He was
> Pleased on  the operation it went very well and the tumor wasn't as
> large as they thought.. He told them he got the tumor and was very
> pleased with the cancer he got...

> " He never said one way or another "If all the cancer was gone ! But
> to me "That  doesn't sound good,,"? Perhaps I am thinking to much into
> what he said "That he was very please with the cancer he got..? Or
> they can't tell you till after the lymph nodes have been check for
> cancer.>> "I don't know..

> Anyway Peter thank you for we told Curly "Dorothy Husband what you
> said about us getting her medical records and about using Baby wipes
> with the cream.... I will get some tommorrow for her :When she comes
> home ...Peter they removed her rectum completly and now she will have
> a bag.... "Is that what you have found the cream good for using it ro
> calm the skin on her side where the bag will fit over keeping it from
> irratation...

>  Also she is going to have some come in and show her what she has to
> do to change bags... But Her husband and her will need help..."She is
> very Healthy for 78 also so I hope she will heal fast..

> "As of now She is Not having pain and wants to be alone! "The best
> thing for her is Rest...

> Thank you again ! It helps so much !

> Elizabeth!

>  PS I will look at the that web site! And correcting me on how I
> thought cancer would spread!




- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> > Elizabeth,  I just had that surgery a month ago.  Here are a couple of
> > advice.  First of all, ask your friend's mother to allow the hospital to
> > release her medical information to you.  This in essence allows you to
be
> > the eyes and ears of your friend, who won't be able to be at the
hospital
> > with his mother.  The hospital won't tell you anything unless you are a
> > relative, so if you are going to be helping your friend, you need to
have
> > access same as a relative.

> > Second, it is major surgery, so it certainly has risks.  During my
surgery I
> > did not need {*filter*} transfusion, so there was very little bleeding.  But
> > orginally they told me it would take 3-4 hours, and it took 6 hours.  I
was
> > not aware of anything of course, but it did drive my wife crazy in the
> > waiting room.

> > My surgeon took out 3 lymph nodes.  My oncologist said she would've like
to
> > see more lymph nodes.  Yes it is pretty standard to remove lymph nodes
for
> > pathological exams.  My surgeon also examined my liver to see if there
was
> > any spreading.

> > The recovering can be sometimes difficult.  I stayed in the hospital for
6
> > days, and I am relatively healthy.  So depending on the health of
Dorothy,
> > she could be in the hospital for 6, 7 days.  One month after the
surgery, I
> > am still dealing with problems with bowl movements.  This is common for
this
> > type of surgery.  It is not something that anyone can help me with.  But
I
> > am grateful that I have a wife who can do almost all the household
chores
> > such as cleaning and cooking and washing.  I am assuming Dorothy will
need
> > help with all of that.

> > A couple of things that's been helpful in my recovery:  infant wipes (I
use
> > that instead of toilet paper, more expensive and certainly worth it's
weight
> > in gold), and{*filter*}ol (a hemorroid treatment).



> > > Hello/

> > > I been caring for a friend ;;Hes bedridden and is Worried SICK about
> > > this Mother 78 ..He has his own Health problems and is making matters
> > > way worse!

> > > His Mother is Having Surgery thurday Morning at 7am to remover the
> > > tumor and her rectum ect...The tumor was over 8 inch long and 2 1/4
> > > before she had Chemo and Radation ...for 6 weeks...

> > >  Now the tumor is 5 inch long and 1" in dia now!

> > >  The surgent told us the operation will be 7-8 hrs long..

> > >  Her son would never beable now to be at the hosiptal >I been staying
> > > at the house since we found out Dorothy has Cancer..

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Can I ask is this operation very risky and will they take lympth nodes
> > > out to see if the cancer has spread....So far its at stage 2...

> > > Thank you so much!
> > > Elizabeth



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