Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks! 
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 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!

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>This IS interesting that it is so difficult to find reproductions of the
>quarry marks from the Relieving Chambers above the King's Chamber in the
>Great Pyramid. I did see them videoed on what I think was a Japanese
>production on the Pyramids.There was an English narrator but they were
>speaking Japanese in the background. Also the only books in my library
>that has even drawings of the marks are SECRETS OF THE GREAT PYRAMID by
>Peter Tompkins, p.62, and (forgive me for this one, I read all kinds of
>books) PYRAMID ODYSSEY by Wm. R. Fix, p.85. Any one else?

And even those sources, which I have, are only line drawings; nor are
they "peer-reviewed" journals.  I think that the "quarry marks" said to
be on some casing stones are apochryphal.  Probably like the attribution
on the Sphinx stela of the monument to Khaphren--conveniently
"disappeared" now from exposure to the sandblasting wind and all we can
do is "take someone's word" that it ever existed at all.  I can make up a
line drawing at my leisure.  I want PHOTOGRAPHS of these quarry marks!

Incidentally, the spaces about the so-called "King's Chamber" are not
architecturally there for "relieving" the weight.  The tented ceiling
does that in the so-called "Queen's Chamber," with even more weight on it
than the higher space ("King's Chamber").  The presence of those spaces
is definitely NOT structural in the sense of taking off weight.  In a
structural sense those inclused spaces actually weaken the lateral
displacement of the weight of the stone, providing a tendency to shift
and crack during earth movements--which is why that entrance was made
into the first one in ancient times.  The attribution of that
architectural feature as "relieving chambers" is bogus, a speculation of
someone in the 19th century whose word has now been deified.  The
presence of the space is for some other reason.



Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!

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>>This IS interesting that it is so difficult to find reproductions of the
>>quarry marks from the Relieving Chambers above the King's Chamber in the
>>Great Pyramid. I did see them videoed on what I think was a Japanese
>>production on the Pyramids.There was an English narrator but they were
>>speaking Japanese in the background. Also the only books in my library
>>that has even drawings of the marks are SECRETS OF THE GREAT PYRAMID by
>>Peter Tompkins, p.62, and (forgive me for this one, I read all kinds of
>>books) PYRAMID ODYSSEY by Wm. R. Fix, p.85. Any one else?

The Tompkins book references Perring, which is the source of the illustrations.

As to photographs of the marks, perhaps it is time for you to
do some of your own homework and check out the posted references.

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>And even those sources, which I have, are only line drawings; nor are
>they "peer-reviewed" journals.  I think that the "quarry marks" said to
>be on some casing stones are apochryphal.

Check the literature first; I think you will find Peter Tompkins provides
quite a good bibliography. The books by Davidson and Petrie also mention
the grafitti and illustrate it.

 Probably like the attribution

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>on the Sphinx stela of the monument to Khaphren--conveniently
>"disappeared" now from exposure to the sandblasting wind and all we can
>do is "take someone's word" that it ever existed at all.  I can make up a
>line drawing at my leisure.  I want PHOTOGRAPHS of these quarry marks!

Then go take some pictures... sheeesh.

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>Incidentally, the spaces about the so-called "King's Chamber" are not
>architecturally there for "relieving" the weight.  The tented ceiling
>does that in the so-called "Queen's Chamber," with even more weight on it
>than the higher space ("King's Chamber").  The presence of those spaces
>is definitely NOT structural in the sense of taking off weight.  In a
>structural sense those inclused spaces actually weaken the lateral
>displacement of the weight of the stone, providing a tendency to shift
>and crack during earth movements--which is why that entrance was made
>into the first one in ancient times.  The attribution of that
>architectural feature as "relieving chambers" is bogus, a speculation of
>someone in the 19th century whose word has now been deified.  The
>presence of the space is for some other reason.

Baloney;
Basic statics will tell you that the blocks above the kings chamber
are subject to a uniform load transmitted to their reactions outside
the chamber.

The reactions are a good twenty feet outside the chamber and the
structural loading follows much the same principle we see in a
flying butress in a cathedral.

The five rows of large stones above the chamber and below the gable
are lateral braces. They are not loaded from their tops but from their ends.

If you want to do the math, limestone weighs about 150 lbs a cubic foot
and the first blocks to take the load are in the form of a gable arch.

The arch is located close to the center of the pyramid. The structure above
it rises at a pitch of 14:11.

The height above the kings chamber is about 242 feet so the height above
the gable which is transfering the load, is about 200 feet.

The weight above that gable is distributed both to the gable and to the rest
of the structure. The area loading the gable is about 50 feet by 50 feet
and consists of a stack of limestone 200 feet high.

Because the structure is a pyramid, the load on the entire structure
can be considered to increase uniformly toward the center, however
this load is transmitted uniformly down to bedrock through the structure
around the chamber.

For this part of the loading the total equivalent uniform load is 4W/3
and the reactions equal the shear = W/2. Aside from these loads, that load
which is coming down just on the chambers roof gable should be considered
as the more stringent condition of a simple uniform load.

The Maximum Moment at the center of the arch = WL2/8 not WL/6

take a 1 foot section; the chambers gable is loaded with the limestone above it.
Limestone weighs in at 150 pounds per cubic foot
with 1/2 of that load distributed to each side of the chamber.
The reactions are about 50 feet apart.

The load is 50 x 200 x 150 = 1500 kips

The bearing at the reactions is solid limestone all the way
to bedrock. The only direction the load can be relieved is
inward toward the walls of the chamber.

the reactions from the load above the chamber alone, amount to 750 kips
and so does the shear.

Half of the weight of the structure above is transmitted to each side
of the chamber, and the sides must be designed to take the load.

If you want to calculate the vectors of the laterally transmitted forces
at the gable you can use a variant of the Hankinson formula developed for
timber framing assuming the stone has a grain and where the resultant force
is at an angle other than 90 degrees with the surface under consideration
the angle theta is the angle between the direction of the grain and the
direction of the force component which is perpendicular to the surface.

This will give you the allowable lateral shear resisted by the stone at
the reactions.

Where N = PQ/P sin^2 theta + Q cos ^2 theta
P = the unit stress in compression parallel to the grain
Q = the unit stress in compression perpendicular tothe grain
Theta = the angle between the direction of the grain and the
direction of the load normal to the face considered
N = the unit compressive stress at inclination theta with the direction of grain

The lower chambers act as lateral bracing to resist this load. They distribute it
continuously through a section across the pyramid which is almost 250 feet wide.

Steve



Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
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[snip]
: "disappeared" now from exposure to the sandblasting wind and all we can
: do is "take someone's word" that it ever existed at all.  I can make up a
: line drawing at my leisure.  I want PHOTOGRAPHS of these quarry marks!
[snip]

What would that prove? Aren't you aware that the Great Archaeological
{*filter*}(tm) has access to photo-editing software?

Ben



Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!
I have downloaded this response for careful analysis.  It will take me a
couple of days, since I am just moving to a new apartment and everything
about my office is in piles of boxes.  I appreciate being engaged on a
technical level, and I am also appreciative of the time you spent working
through your presentation.  My basic question is simpler, however: why
not just another tented ceiling, instead of the turning moment of the
flat one?  What PURPOSE does it serve?


Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!

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>What would that prove? Aren't you aware that the Great Archaeological
>{*filter*}(tm) has access to photo-editing software?

You mock my sincere desire to find the real truth.


Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!

Quote:

>This IS interesting that it is so difficult to find reproductions of the
>quarry marks from the Relieving Chambers above the King's Chamber in the
>Great Pyramid. I did see them videoed on what I think was a Japanese
>production on the Pyramids.There was an English narrator but they were
>speaking Japanese in the background.

They were videoed in a UK (BBC?) documentary, precisely in order to
comment on Sitchin's claim--unfortunately I wasn't in a position to
record it, and don't have full details, but I will make enquiries.

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> Also the only books in my library
>that has even drawings of the marks are SECRETS OF THE GREAT PYRAMID by
>Peter Tompkins, p.62,

No drawings of the marks in the edition I've looked at.

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> and (forgive me for this one, I read all kinds of
>books) PYRAMID ODYSSEY by Wm. R. Fix, p.85. Any one else?

Fix lifts this (without acknowledgement) from Maspero's _Dawn of Civilisation_.
It is a facsimile (copy, not photograph) of an illustration in Lepsius,
_Denkmaeler_, made just 5 years after the chamber was opened.

The only published photo I've found so far of the Khufu cartouche is in
a book by Stadelmann, _Die Aegiptische Pyramiden_ (sp?).  Comparison
with this suggests that the Lepsius (Bonomi?) drawings are more accurate
than the ones by Perring (reproduced in Perring's own publication on
a large scale, and on a smaller scale in Howard Vyse's book).

There are drawings, and, most important, an analysis, in Reisner's
_Mycerinus_.  The analysis alone shows how asinine this forgery
claim is--the markings have features that weren't understood in
the 1830s, but show great consistency with discoveries at several
different sites, and make perfect sense linguistically.

The markings are evidently hard to photograph clearly, but there do seem
to be photographs in existence.

As for the markings on the core blocks, they are mentioned by Grinsell,
but his projected article on the topic is absent from the list of
publications in his autobiography.  They are not _apocryphal_.  I'll see
if I can contact him.

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>Greg Reeder

>---------------->http://www.sirius.com/~reeder/egypt.html





Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Repro's of Khufu Quarry Marks!

Quote:


>>This IS interesting that it is so difficult to find reproductions of the
>>quarry marks from the Relieving Chambers above the King's Chamber in the
>>Great Pyramid......
>They were videoed in a UK (BBC?) documentary, precisely in order to
>comment on Sitchin's claim--......
>> Also the only books in my library
>>that has even drawings of the marks are SECRETS OF THE GREAT PYRAMID by
>>Peter Tompkins, p.62,.......

>No drawings of the marks in the edition I've looked at......

In my hard cover 1971 edition on page 62 is a drawing of the relieving
chambers. If you look close you can see very small repros of the
hieroglyphs and there positioning.

Quote:
>The only published photo I've found so far of the Khufu cartouche is in
>a book by Stadelmann, _Die Aegiptische Pyramiden_ (sp?). .......

>There are drawings, and, most important, an analysis, in Reisner's
>_Mycerinus_. ..........

I recently purchased a very fine reprint of Reisener's MYCERINUS ( by
John William Pye Rare Books, Brockton, Massachusetts) and I cannot find
this analysis. Would you please give a page number?

--

Greg Reeder

---------------->http://www.sirius.com/~reeder/egypt.html



Sat, 02 May 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 
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