Reply to DS SV: Ancient ship burials
I had a private mail yesterday from DS. His lines was all but friendly. I
replied and beg him for ref. to souces, excavationreports, artifacts etc
which could support his {*filter*} assumption(well I wrote a nicer reply). Anyhow
I had a letter which I must say wasn't nice at all. As you all know some of
you asks for my ref. over and over, and I do send them even if some aren't
interested in reading them but only asking for them once again. I think that
all of us have the right to ask for ref. and not be treated like a bad dog
who had he bad maner to try to walk on two feets..... With this mail and
copy of a bad-manner mail received I would like you all who have any ref.
regarding ship burials(not burning of dead body only ship burials reports
etc. wanted) to send in any ref. to a source - Dissertation, Article,
Excavation reports etc to send me that information, one way or an other
in the discussion regarding ancient ship burials.
Thanks in advance.
Inger E
Below please find the mail I received and my reply on that.
IEJ
Quote:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Ancient ship burials
I am not your "little" Inger,
I grow up with daily contact with archaeologists, environmentalists(working
with water and air-problems) as well as other Scholars. I am 51 years old,
and my impression of your lines aren't positive - neither is my friends
impression when I sent them your lines. My friends? well all from ordinary
teachers to Professors. I can't help growing up with friends who later on in
life have succeeded into high professions and who have good reputation in
the Science world today. But that's have nothing to do with this.
Your lines aren't that one could expect of a Scholar, let alone of an
Archaeologist no matter which his degree or title are today.
Bad manner, that's what lines like that are called in my circles.
Inger E
> My Dear "little" Inger,
> This has nothing to do with how academic you or I are - in fact, I'm
almost
> embarassed to admit that I do have academic qualifications in
archaeology -
> albeit gained as a spare time hobby.
>The issue is more highbrow than that -
> that is, your typical patronising response (which is not untypical of many
> academics who like to think their superiority complex in intellectual
> matters far outweighs that of lesser mortals) which attempts to belittle
> other peoples opinions. It's a trait that exists only in academia and not
in
> the "real world", thank God, and thankfully does not encroach on the real
> world too much. In fact, I really don't care how many projects you have
> worked upon - it doesn't impress me - just as you probably don't care what
> projects I work upon and indeed what my daytime job is . However, I'm
afraid
> your response typifies that which is wrong with Academia today - an
elitest
> clique which berates and belittles rather than fostering discussion,
support
> & growth of ideas. I thought this was a trait of certain upper-class
British
> & American Universities, but I'm glad to see it is alive & well in
> Scandinavia too.Your opening line in the address below proves me on this
> point of patronisation ("Well, well , my "Dear"........) although it could
> easily be a lack of expertise in English, I suppose. I have no delusions
of
> grandeur about my lines - which were aimed to possibly aid somebody and
not
> meant to be an quoted reference in burial expertise- not foster these
> ridiculous discussions from somebody whose pyloric sphincter is working
> overtime . I do, however, obviously seem to have hit on a nerve : "You
might
> be my superior in Academic grade" - do we have a complex here ? Not made
the
> grade yet? Something to prove
> Don't bother replying to this email - you will have been blocked. I
suggest
> you go down to the pub, enjoy a beer, and lighten up.
> DS
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:45 AM
> Subject: SV: Ancient ship burials
> Well well my "dear" DS,
> If it hadn't been for the fact that I and my colleagues had had a deeper
> discussion just the other day re. how to act as a teacher on myths I might
> have just taken your words seriously. Now I will not pretend that it's
> something worth of value in it. In my past I have worked at ?sterg?tland's
> L?nsmuseum, I have been responsible for Studiefr?mjandet i Link?ping's
> Historiska projekt(History Survey) and I have my own Academic studies as
> well as many hundred hours discussion with Archaeologists regarding the
> difference between the Bronze Age's funeral customs where the dead persons
> was burnt and the Iron Age customs where the "same" but not equal custom
> once again came into practise....... I have read several hundred
excavations
> reports to fill in the blank spots between "different" archaeologist's
> interpretation of the customs as well as studied where the burial took
place
> during period A and period B etc.....
> I am sorry but I can't take your writings seriously. You might be my
> superior in Academic grade, that I don't know anything about, but your
lines
> aren't supported by any of the Scandinavian excavation reports or
> Dissertations regarding the burial customs over the years before
> Christianity became common. Due to this I once again beg you, if you think
> your lines are of high scientific value, please send at least some ref. to
> support your assumption.
> Inger E
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Ancient ship burials
> > Typical academia response........why on earth would I want to waste time
> > doing this? I would suggest, however, you look at the previous reply in
> the
> > train (and note how uncondescending it is) and learn from it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Newsgroups:
alt.archaeology,alt.history.ancient-worlds,soc.history.ancient
> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:30 PM
> > Subject: SV: Ancient ship burials
> > > > Are we talking ships or boats or anything that floats on water ?
> > > > There were a couple of Scandinavian Mesolithic ship burials around
> > > > 50000-7000BC, (possibly Tybrind Vig or Mollegabet ?).
> > > > DS
> > > Where on earth have you found evidence of ship burials in Scandinavia
> > around
> > > 50000-7000 BC????? I suggest that you better read Ph.D. Anders
Kaliff's
> > > books and articles before you present such a statement without any
ref.
> to
> > > excavation reports at all!!!
> > > Inger E
> > > > > How old are the oldest known ship burials in Northern Europe? If
> some
> > > > ships
> > > > > were buried 4000 years ago, would traces of them even be left?
