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 Brain abscesses ...

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Subject: Brain abcesses
Date: 16 Feb 2001 00:36:24 GMT
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I have a friend who has had two infected teeth for many years, and refused
to
do anything about them (because they weren't very painful) until I told her
about possible side effects, including brain abcesses.

REPLY:

Sorry, this is not correct information ....

Now she's paranoid
that her brain's been damaged.

REPLY:

It probably has ... but not from the teeth.

 How common is this in people with infected
teeth, and is there any way to tell if it's taken place?

REPLY:

I am not sure. Is there such a thing as a Neuroendodontist? I know this
sounds crazy, but how about going to a dentist to get your teeth fixed?

Also, I'm a little worried about my own teeth because I've heard that metal
fillings can leak toxic substances into a person's system. Is this true?

REPLY:

Nope. It is completely false. Don't worry ... be happy.

Cheers,

Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.

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Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:20:39 GMT
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QUESTION:

Quote:
>Also, I'm a little worried about my own teeth because I've heard that metal
>fillings can leak toxic substances into a person's system. Is this true?

REPLY (from Joel):

Quote:
>Nope. It is completely false. Don't worry ... be happy.

Joel is way out here. Every dentist who has done some reading of
litterature the past 10 years knows that toxic substances leak into
a person's system from amalgam and composite fillings and even
from gold alloys.

The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
any toxic reactions in a person's system.

Hans Lennros DDS
===============================================



Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:44:56 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...

Quote:

>The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
>any toxic reactions in a person's system.

Hi there Hans.

This always makes me think of the question:
Why not work your {*filter*}off NOT to get cavities?
There is no question that PREVENTION is the key to eliminating all concerns for
restorative dentistry causing everything from pimples to brain abscesses.  I
wish the anti amalgam people would put their energy into informing the public
that they should do everything they can not to need restorative dentistry.  
A piece of string and a good soft brush will alleviate all distress over the
use of restorative materials in dentistry.

We could have a headline contest, my entry would read:
NEVER WORRY ABOUT MS; BRUSH, FLOSS, WATERPIK

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
"Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes."
     - P. J. O'Rourke
~~~~~~~~~
http://www.***.com/



Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:13:00 GMT
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Bravo Shirley,

This is the most intelligent post so far this entire month!

Cheers,

Joel

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Subject: Re: SV: Brain abscesses ...
Date: 17 Feb 2001 14:13:00 GMT
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Quote:

>The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
>any toxic reactions in a person's system.

Hi there Hans.

This always makes me think of the question:
Why not work your {*filter*}off NOT to get cavities?
There is no question that PREVENTION is the key to eliminating all concerns
for
restorative dentistry causing everything from pimples to brain abscesses.  I
wish the anti amalgam people would put their energy into informing the
public
that they should do everything they can not to need restorative dentistry.
A piece of string and a good soft brush will alleviate all distress over the
use of restorative materials in dentistry.

We could have a headline contest, my entry would read:
NEVER WORRY ABOUT MS; BRUSH, FLOSS, WATERPIK

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
"Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the
dishes."
     - P. J. O'Rourke
~~~~~~~~~
http://www.***.com/

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Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:27:00 GMT
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Yeah, Shirley,
but then you take away the major source of income for many dentists.
I always admired Bob Barkley's approach (which I model) that we focus on
stopping the causes and let the patient understand that before we start
restorative care.  At the beginning it is not as profitable, but it works
out because in this model, when the patient is ready (and this waiting is
safe if they are using preventive technique, we slow down the disease
process), we place the best and finest restoration and they have had the
time to plan for it instead of facing the choice of a $125 filling or a $700
crown.
If they are not aware of preventing disease and a preferred future approach,
too many people do the filling which gives the wrong message because it will
always last a while.  WE make the mistake by threatening that a big filling
will break, then it lasts over ten years, so they think we lied and they got
away with something.  Then 10 years later, the cusp fractures off and if we
are lucky, we can still restore the tooth, but often needing endo and ending
up with more cost, more treatment and a poorer prognosis than if we would
have given the option of a nice onlay, work on the disease control, and then
do the onlay when they are ready.
The only time this doesn't apply is in an actively diseased mouth.  Often I
will place glass ionomer restorations to see how they can reverse the
disease process with lifestyle changes.  MOst will, by the way once they
understand and don't feel forced into a lot of restorative treatment right
away when it isn't hurting.
just a thought.
fmn


Quote:

> >The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
> >any toxic reactions in a person's system.

> Hi there Hans.

> This always makes me think of the question:
> Why not work your {*filter*}off NOT to get cavities?
> There is no question that PREVENTION is the key to eliminating all
concerns for
> restorative dentistry causing everything from pimples to brain abscesses.
I
> wish the anti amalgam people would put their energy into informing the
public
> that they should do everything they can not to need restorative dentistry.
> A piece of string and a good soft brush will alleviate all distress over
the
> use of restorative materials in dentistry.

> We could have a headline contest, my entry would read:
> NEVER WORRY ABOUT MS; BRUSH, FLOSS, WATERPIK

> Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
> "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the
dishes."
>      - P. J. O'Rourke
> ~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.***.com/



Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:42:15 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...

Quote:
>Yeah, Shirley,
>but then you take away the major source of income for many dentists.

OK BUT,

1.  The number of graduating dentists is falling.
2.  The number of hygienists is falling
3.  The array of diseases caused by {*filter*}bacteria's presence is growing daily.
4.  I'm talking about the anti amalgamists - if THEY shouted about prevention,
its merits would be in the forefront every day and, like ads for Stove Top
Stuffing, it would make an appreciable impact on the care people take of their
mouths.

Quote:
>WE make the mistake by threatening that a big filling
>will break, then it lasts over ten years, so they think we lied and they got
>away with something

I face this problem every stinkin' day.  I tell people in my chair that someone
tried to do them a favor, by placing an MODBL amalgam.  Their time is up, and
if all those fillings were placed within a couple of years they will all crash
within a couple of years of each other, so start savin' money.  That's all I
can do.  You're right they think they beat the odds and really they did.

My other HUGE concern is what are those teeth going to be like when that person
ends up in a Long Term Care Facility.  What are we going to do with people with
teeth in the future?  Oh, oh, I feel another thread coming on.
If you haven't done so already please go to net32.com.  
Goto Publications, RDH, then "Mrs. Slovotski's Visit"  I've gotten some very
good feedback on that article and since there is little to think about around
here lately, it may get the synapses fireing.  Plus I don't get paid for your
viewing pleasure.

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
"Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes."
     - P. J. O'Rourke
~~~~~~~~~
http://www.***.com/



Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:22:19 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...
Hi Shirley,

Yes, we have a generation growing up here where a cavity
is rarley seen. The amalgam discussion will gradually phase
out with that generation. In this country the use of amalgam
has been cut with 90% during the last 10 years. So it is not
really a problem any longer. And with the new cold curing
ceramics, like Doxa, that is less expensive for the patient,
more esthetic, faster, and far more cost-beneficial for the
dentist than amalgam, the debate is definately over. A
material used for 160 years is being placed in its final grave.

Hans
=============================================



Quote:

> >The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
> >any toxic reactions in a person's system.

> Hi there Hans.

> This always makes me think of the question:
> Why not work your {*filter*}off NOT to get cavities?
> There is no question that PREVENTION is the key to eliminating all concerns for
> restorative dentistry causing everything from pimples to brain abscesses.  I
> wish the anti amalgam people would put their energy into informing the public
> that they should do everything they can not to need restorative dentistry.
> A piece of string and a good soft brush will alleviate all distress over the
> use of restorative materials in dentistry.

> We could have a headline contest, my entry would read:
> NEVER WORRY ABOUT MS; BRUSH, FLOSS, WATERPIK

> Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
> "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes."
>      - P. J. O'Rourke
> ~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.***.com/



Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:20:09 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...

Quote:
>A
>material used for 160 years is being placed in its final grave.

>Hans
>============================================

Hans,
Every new grad that I've met (out of dental school) still favors amalgam.  Do
we have to wait for the instructors to die in order to have some movement in
this country?  Sad, sad, sad.

Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
"Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes."
     - P. J. O'Rourke
~~~~~~~~~
http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=2...



Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:16:46 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...
Hey Hans,
can you smuggle me some Doxa....
fmn

Quote:
> Hi Shirley,

> Yes, we have a generation growing up here where a cavity
> is rarley seen. The amalgam discussion will gradually phase
> out with that generation. In this country the use of amalgam
> has been cut with 90% during the last 10 years. So it is not
> really a problem any longer. And with the new cold curing
> ceramics, like Doxa, that is less expensive for the patient,
> more esthetic, faster, and far more cost-beneficial for the
> dentist than amalgam, the debate is definately over. A
> material used for 160 years is being placed in its final grave.

> Hans
> =============================================




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Quote:

> > >The only issue is whether these substances are enough to cause
> > >any toxic reactions in a person's system.

> > Hi there Hans.

> > This always makes me think of the question:
> > Why not work your {*filter*}off NOT to get cavities?
> > There is no question that PREVENTION is the key to eliminating all
concerns for
> > restorative dentistry causing everything from pimples to brain
abscesses.  I
> > wish the anti amalgam people would put their energy into informing the
public
> > that they should do everything they can not to need restorative
dentistry.
> > A piece of string and a good soft brush will alleviate all distress over
the
> > use of restorative materials in dentistry.

> > We could have a headline contest, my entry would read:
> > NEVER WORRY ABOUT MS; BRUSH, FLOSS, WATERPIK

> > Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
> > "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the
dishes."
> >      - P. J. O'Rourke
> > ~~~~~~~~~

http://www.***.com/

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Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:53:13 GMT
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yes, and the elderly hierarchy of the ADA that must defend their actions of
placing a poison unknowingly.  We should start on of those amnesty programs,
where you can come clean and stop placing amalgams and no one can sue you if
you come forward now.
regards
fmn


Quote:
> >A
> >material used for 160 years is being placed in its final grave.

> >Hans
> >============================================

> Hans,
> Every new grad that I've met (out of dental school) still favors amalgam.
Do
> we have to wait for the instructors to die in order to have some movement
in
> this country?  Sad, sad, sad.

> Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
> "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the
dishes."
>      - P. J. O'Rourke
> ~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=2...



Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:54:48 GMT
 Brain abscesses ...


Quote:
> yes, and the elderly hierarchy of the ADA that must defend their actions
of
> placing a poison unknowingly.  We should start on of those amnesty
programs,
> where you can come clean and stop placing amalgams and no one can sue you
if
> you come forward now.
> regards
> fmn

********

The alternative is that all of the amalgam dentists will have to flee to
Canada ... oh, no ... that was the Viet Nam war I was thinking of .........

Quote:


> > >A
> > >material used for 160 years is being placed in its final grave.

> > >Hans
> > >============================================

> > Hans,
> > Every new grad that I've met (out of dental school) still favors
amalgam.
> Do
> > we have to wait for the instructors to die in order to have some
movement
> in
> > this country?  Sad, sad, sad.

> > Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH
> > "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the
> dishes."
> >      - P. J. O'Rourke
> > ~~~~~~~~~

http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=2...

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Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:31:58 GMT
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Quote:
> Hey Hans,
> can you smuggle me some Doxa....
> fmn

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Has it been tested against causing brain abscesses ...... ?



Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:32:38 GMT
 
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