Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists 
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 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists

I live in LA and I am tired of some con-artists with DDS degrees I have been
working for.

All they want is to make money for them and they would pay you as little as
possible ( 500-600-750/day)

I am a very skilled dentist and I feel like I am being taken advantage off
when I am told: OK you produce 8000/day for me , I'll give you 800.

I hear in other states you can make 1000/day easily as an associate.

They would give you a base of 300-400-450 and maybe 5 % of production , so
no matter how much you make for them , you cannot go over 800 for you in a
good day.

Or they give you 20 % of production , but you have to do their {*filter*} HMO
work for free , so they could get countless capitation checks.

It looks like robbery to me.

Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
dentists are underpaid and overworked.
What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

Patients be aware , there is a big chance that you get poor quality dental
work in a HMO practice; you get what you are paying for.

Dentists working as associates ( slaves ), stop selling yourself so cheap
and open your own practice .

Stop getting robbed by DDS or DMD con-artists !

I read that it would be fair for the associate dentist to get 35% of
production; it does not happen in Los Angeles.

Any opinions ?




Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:55:10 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:

> Any opinions ?

     I am not a dentist, but I have a job that requires about that same level of
education.  Also, like you, I have no monetary investment in my job beyond my
education.  I would be delighted to be making your " 500-600-750/day".  (That
said, I don't live in LA.)

Vaughn



Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:33 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:
>I live in LA and I am tired of some con-artists with DDS degrees I have been
>working for.

Re: Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other
dentists

Yep, I keep telling the dentists to be careful about which part of
town they are walkin' ........ around.

Quote:

>All they want is to make money for them and they would pay you as little as
>possible ( 500-600-750/day)

>I am a very skilled dentist and I feel like I am being taken advantage off
>when I am told: OK you produce 8000/day for me , I'll give you 800.

>I hear in other states you can make 1000/day easily as an associate.

>They would give you a base of 300-400-450 and maybe 5 % of production , so
>no matter how much you make for them , you cannot go over 800 for you in a
>good day.

>Or they give you 20 % of production , but you have to do their {*filter*} HMO
>work for free , so they could get countless capitation checks.

>It looks like robbery to me.

>Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
>cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
>dentists are underpaid and overworked.
>What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
>patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
>about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

>Patients be aware , there is a big chance that you get poor quality dental
>work in a HMO practice; you get what you are paying for.

>Dentists working as associates ( slaves ), stop selling yourself so cheap
>and open your own practice .

>Stop getting robbed by DDS or DMD con-artists !

>I read that it would be fair for the associate dentist to get 35% of
>production; it does not happen in Los Angeles.

>Any opinions ?





Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:12:09 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:
>I live in LA and I am tired of some con-artists with DDS degrees I have been
>working for.

>All they want is to make money for them and they would pay you as little as
>possible ( 500-600-750/day)

>I am a very skilled dentist and I feel like I am being taken advantage off
>when I am told: OK you produce 8000/day for me , I'll give you 800.

>I hear in other states you can make 1000/day easily as an associate.

OK 1/8th? That's twelve and one-half percent?

This is a great discussion .... I will add more later ......

Joel

PS~ I agree Dude.

Quote:

>They would give you a base of 300-400-450 and maybe 5 % of production , so
>no matter how much you make for them , you cannot go over 800 for you in a
>good day.

>Or they give you 20 % of production , but you have to do their {*filter*} HMO
>work for free , so they could get countless capitation checks.

>It looks like robbery to me.

>Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
>cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
>dentists are underpaid and overworked.
>What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
>patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
>about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

>Patients be aware , there is a big chance that you get poor quality dental
>work in a HMO practice; you get what you are paying for.

>Dentists working as associates ( slaves ), stop selling yourself so cheap
>and open your own practice .

>Stop getting robbed by DDS or DMD con-artists !

>I read that it would be fair for the associate dentist to get 35% of
>production; it does not happen in Los Angeles.

>Any opinions ?





Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:13:05 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:
>Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
>cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
>dentists are underpaid and overworked.
>What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
>patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
>about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

A good term for you to know is, "Corporate consolidators."

This is your target, right?

Joel



Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:14:22 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:
>Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
>cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
>dentists are underpaid and overworked.
>What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
>patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
>about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

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Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:17:02 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
May I ask what job is that.

Being a dentist is quite stressful sometimes ( highest suicide ratei n gthe
US) and it should be compensated acordingly

Quote:



>> Any opinions ?

>     I am not a dentist, but I have a job that requires about that same
> level of education.  Also, like you, I have no monetary investment in my
> job beyond my education.  I would be delighted to be making your "
> 500-600-750/day".  (That said, I don't live in LA.)

> Vaughn



Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:28:22 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010420.html
Quote:
>May I ask what job is that.

>Being a dentist is quite stressful sometimes ( highest suicide ratei n gthe
>US) and it should be compensated acordingly




>>> Any opinions ?

>>     I am not a dentist, but I have a job that requires about that same
>> level of education.  Also, like you, I have no monetary investment in my
>> job beyond my education.  I would be delighted to be making your "
>> 500-600-750/day".  (That said, I don't live in LA.)

>> Vaughn



Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:52:01 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists

Quote:

> I live in LA and I am tired of some con-artists with DDS degrees I have been
> working for.

> All they want is to make money for them and they would pay you as little as
> possible ( 500-600-750/day)

> I am a very skilled dentist and I feel like I am being taken advantage off
> when I am told: OK you produce 8000/day for me , I'll give you 800.

> I hear in other states you can make 1000/day easily as an associate.

        You're dreaming.

Steve

Quote:

> They would give you a base of 300-400-450 and maybe 5 % of production , so
> no matter how much you make for them , you cannot go over 800 for you in a
> good day.

> Or they give you 20 % of production , but you have to do their {*filter*} HMO
> work for free , so they could get countless capitation checks.

> It looks like robbery to me.

> Also it seems that some horrendous HMO corporations are spreading like
> cancer through California - the quality of dentistry is horrible , the
> dentists are underpaid and overworked.
> What those companies want you to do is over diagnosing and cheating on the
> patients and make tons of money for them , they do not care about you or
> about the patients at all. They squeeze you like a lemon.

> Patients be aware , there is a big chance that you get poor quality dental
> work in a HMO practice; you get what you are paying for.

> Dentists working as associates ( slaves ), stop selling yourself so cheap
> and open your own practice .

> Stop getting robbed by DDS or DMD con-artists !

> I read that it would be fair for the associate dentist to get 35% of
> production; it does not happen in Los Angeles.

> Any opinions ?



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Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:19:05 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:


> > I live in LA and I am tired of some con-artists with DDS degrees I have
been
> > working for.

> > All they want is to make money for them and they would pay you as little
as
> > possible ( 500-600-750/day)

> > I am a very skilled dentist and I feel like I am being taken advantage
off
> > when I am told: OK you produce 8000/day for me , I'll give you 800.

> > I hear in other states you can make 1000/day easily as an associate.

> You're dreaming.

> Steve

LOL...I thought the same thing.

I am not buying that he/she is producing $8000 a day either.

If you can make $150,000 to $200,000 as an associate in LA I would not move
or quit that job...in fact, I might dump my practice and the headaches
associated with ownership and take your job and let them "rob" me like that
for a while.

T



Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:43:28 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
associates barely make $100000 in LA. Vagas or northern California
that's different.


Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:55:44 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
Previosu Post: associates barely make $100000 in LA. Vagas or northern
California
that's different.

Flap's Reply:

There is currently a shortage of American trained dentists in
California.

An American trained associate dentist (who speaks fluent English) who
is experienced and fast enough can make 100K or more.

There are plenty of opportunities to work in a number of different
practice models.

If the associate dentist is experienced enough to see a regular patient
load he should be paid on the basis of the amount of work he produces
and/or collects.  The percentage varies but is usually between 25-35%.

Salaried positions lead to less incentive to work and usually
disgruntled feelings for both parties.

Flap

http://flapsblog.com



Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:15:44 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
I wish I could get 35 %

I am producing an average of 3000-3500-4000 a day

So I could make 1100/day or more , I make 650 instead

I even called remote offices located in some shit-holes nobody wants to go ,
they want to swamp you with HMO work and pay you 550/day, I guess they can
find some desperate crappy dentist to take that for a few months ,; they
have a very high turn-over

100.000/year sucks

Quote:
> Previosu Post: associates barely make $100000 in LA. Vagas or northern
> California
> that's different.

> Flap's Reply:

> There is currently a shortage of American trained dentists in
> California.

> An American trained associate dentist (who speaks fluent English) who
> is experienced and fast enough can make 100K or more.

> There are plenty of opportunities to work in a number of different
> practice models.

> If the associate dentist is experienced enough to see a regular patient
> load he should be paid on the basis of the amount of work he produces
> and/or collects.  The percentage varies but is usually between 25-35%.

> Salaried positions lead to less incentive to work and usually
> disgruntled feelings for both parties.

> Flap

> http://flapsblog.com



Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:44:03 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists


Quote:
> I wish I could get 35 %

> I am producing an average of 3000-3500-4000 a day

> So I could make 1100/day or more , I make 650 instead

> I even called remote offices located in some shit-holes nobody wants to go
,
> they want to swamp you with HMO work and pay you 550/day, I guess they can
> find some desperate crappy dentist to take that for a few months ,; they
> have a very high turn-over

> 100.000/year sucks

I say dismount from your high horse and open your own practice...then you'll
find out what you are really worth.

T



Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:46:12 GMT
 Dentists getting robbed in California- a message for other dentists
On 30 Sep 2005 14:55:44 -0700, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"

Quote:

>associates barely make $100000 in LA. Vagas or northern California
>that's different.

What do you mean associates barely make $10000000?


Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:09:30 GMT
 
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