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NEWS RELEASE

Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

April 22, 2001
For Immediate Release

Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
the
face of dentistry in America.
At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
Press
Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
known
toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
of
billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
alone."

The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
will
be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
is available.



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:57:15 GMT
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    But will Joel play himself in the movie?

Steve

Quote:

> NEWS RELEASE

> Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> April 22, 2001
> For Immediate Release

> Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
> the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
> history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> the
> face of dentistry in America.
> At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> Press
> Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
> to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> known
> toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
> the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
> of
> billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> alone."

> The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
> Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> will
> be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
> is available.

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com


Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:52:47 GMT
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Who else would have an ego big enough ?

Noticed he's being quiet today ... hopefully he's realizing he's a mortal
person like the rest of us non-DDS's ... and not a Dental Deity as he has
falsely lead himself to believe ... hopefully too, he's doing something
about his obsession with Ms. Drew and myself ...

**    But will Joel play himself in the movie?
**
**Steve
**
**
**> NEWS RELEASE
**>
**> Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment
**>
**> April 22, 2001
**> For Immediate Release
**>
**> Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
**> the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
**> history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
**> the
**> face of dentistry in America.
**> At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
**> Press
**> Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
**> released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
**> Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
**> to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
**> known
**> toxic substance is being put into his mouth."
**>
**> Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
**> the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
**> pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
**> licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
**> of
**> billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
**> alone."
**>
**> The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
**> Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
**> will
**> be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
**> is available.
**
**--
**Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
**Brooklyn, NY
**718-258-5001
**http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:29:18 GMT
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Quote:

> Who else would have an ego big enough ?

Maybe Brando?

Steve

Quote:

> Noticed he's being quiet today ... hopefully he's realizing he's a mortal
> person like the rest of us non-DDS's ... and not a Dental Deity as he has
> falsely lead himself to believe ... hopefully too, he's doing something
> about his obsession with Ms. Drew and myself ...


> **    But will Joel play himself in the movie?
> **
> **Steve
> **

> **
> **> NEWS RELEASE
> **>
> **> Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment
> **>
> **> April 22, 2001
> **> For Immediate Release
> **>
> **> Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
> **> the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
> **> history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> **> the
> **> face of dentistry in America.
> **> At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> **> Press
> **> Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> **> released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> **> Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
> **> to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> **> known
> **> toxic substance is being put into his mouth."
> **>
> **> Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
> **> the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> **> pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> **> licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
> **> of
> **> billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> **> alone."
> **>
> **> The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
> **> Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> **> will
> **> be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
> **> is available.
> **
> **--
> **Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> **Brooklyn, NY
> **718-258-5001
> **http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:46:50 GMT
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I'm sure glad I don't do them.  I walked in a colleagues office this last
weekend in California and saw her posting of telling patients that some
substances are toxic.  Right as you walk in.  Now what patient would want an
amalgam?
Bizarre..
fmn

--
Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


Quote:
>     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> Steve


> > NEWS RELEASE

> > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > April 22, 2001
> > For Immediate Release

> > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
> > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
> > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> > the
> > face of dentistry in America.
> > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> > Press
> > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
> > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> > known
> > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
> > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
> > of
> > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> > alone."

> > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
> > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> > will
> > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
> > is available.

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:13:50 GMT
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Also,
Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as vapor
is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
membrane area more permeable than the skin?
fmn

--
Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


Quote:
>     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> Steve


> > NEWS RELEASE

> > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > April 22, 2001
> > For Immediate Release

> > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
> > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
> > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> > the
> > face of dentistry in America.
> > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> > Press
> > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
> > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> > known
> > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
> > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
> > of
> > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> > alone."

> > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
> > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> > will
> > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
> > is available.

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:17:10 GMT
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Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and the
mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your mouth
or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

Louis

Quote:

> Also,
> Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
> Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
> Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as vapor
> is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
> membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> fmn

> --
> Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


> >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > Steve


> > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > April 22, 2001
> > > For Immediate Release

> > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
> > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
> > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> > > the
> > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> > > Press
> > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
> > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> > > known
> > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
> > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
> > > of
> > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> > > alone."

> > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
> > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> > > will
> > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
> > > is available.

> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001
> > http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:57:22 GMT
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Quote:
>Subject: Re: More on the News Release

>Date: 4/25/01 1:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time

>Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and
>the
>mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your mouth
>or the biohazard bin.

WOW............either the mouth where one can breath the vapors, and it leaks
into the body or the biohazard bin. What a choice.................

That in it's self should be a pretty strong clue!

Jan



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:05:44 GMT
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Louis ... you believe everything the government tells you ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

**Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and the
**mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your mouth
**or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?
**
**Louis
**
**
**> Also,
**> Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
**> Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
**> Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as vapor
**> is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
**> membrane area more permeable than the skin?
**> fmn
**>
**> --
**> Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


**> >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?
**> >
**> > Steve
**> >
**> >
**> > > NEWS RELEASE
**> > >
**> > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment
**> > >
**> > > April 22, 2001
**> > > For Immediate Release
**> > >
**> > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved in
**> > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is making
**> > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
**> > > the
**> > > face of dentistry in America.
**> > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
**> > > Press
**> > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
**> > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
**> > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients right
**> > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
**> > > known
**> > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."
**> > >
**> > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is only
**> > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
**> > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
**> > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many hundreds
**> > > of
**> > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
**> > > alone."
**> > >
**> > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the West
**> > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
**> > > will
**> > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited attendance
**> > > is available.
**> >
**> > --
**> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
**> > Brooklyn, NY
**> > 718-258-5001
**> > http://www.dentaltwins.com
**> >
**> >



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:18:41 GMT
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Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical properties
of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is bound
up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder why we
go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule connection
with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the fifth
cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!  It
is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation layer/corrosion
layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way mercury
can harm you, right?
If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they do
and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it sounds
like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
fmn

--
Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon B.
Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)

Quote:
> Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and
the
> mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your
mouth
> or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

> Louis


> > Also,
> > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
> > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
> > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as
vapor
> > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
> > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> > fmn

> > --
> > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


> > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > > Steve


> > > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > > April 22, 2001
> > > > For Immediate Release

> > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved
in
> > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is
making
> > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> > > > the
> > > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> > > > Press
> > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients
right
> > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> > > > known
> > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is
only
> > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
hundreds
> > > > of
> > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> > > > alone."

> > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the
West
> > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> > > > will
> > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
attendance
> > > > is available.

> > > --
> > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > 718-258-5001
> > > http://www.***.com/



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 04:12:52 GMT
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Frank--

    At NYU, in our dental materials science course, corrosion was not related to
loss of mercury.  It was the silver that corroded.  Also, no one told us that
polishing prevents corrosion.  It merely work-hardened the alloy, lessening the
amount of "ditching"

Steve


Quote:
> Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
> polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
> during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical properties
> of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is bound
> up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder why we
> go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule connection
> with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the fifth
> cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!  It
> is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation layer/corrosion
> layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way mercury
> can harm you, right?
> If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they do
> and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it sounds
> like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
> fmn

> --
> Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon B.
> Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and
> the
> > mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your
> mouth
> > or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

> > Louis


> > > Also,
> > > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
> > > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
> > > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as
> vapor
> > > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
> > > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> > > fmn

> > > --
> > > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


> > > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > > > Steve


> > > > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > > > April 22, 2001
> > > > > For Immediate Release

> > > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved
> in
> > > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is
> making
> > > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
> > > > > the
> > > > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
> > > > > Press
> > > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
> > > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients
> right
> > > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
> > > > > known
> > > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is
> only
> > > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
> > > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
> > > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
> hundreds
> > > > > of
> > > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
> > > > > alone."

> > > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the
> West
> > > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
> > > > > will
> > > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
> attendance
> > > > > is available.

> > > > --
> > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > > 718-258-5001
> > > > http://www.***.com/

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.***.com/


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:00:29 GMT
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First, let me ask you.  What is your understanding of the chemistry of the
Gamma one and Gamma two phases?
second, a polished metal surface doesn't corrode as much as an unpolished
one, why wouldn't it work in the mouth?  Burnishing also work hardens and is
better than polishing due to heat developed during polishing (vaporizing
mercury:-)
Again, are you saying there is no hazard from mercury in the mouth?  What is
your position.
regards
fmn

--
Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon B.
Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


Quote:
> Frank--

>     At NYU, in our dental materials science course, corrosion was not
related to
> loss of mercury.  It was the silver that corroded.  Also, no one told us
that
> polishing prevents corrosion.  It merely work-hardened the alloy,
lessening the
> amount of "ditching"

> Steve


> > Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
> > polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
> > during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical
properties
> > of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is
bound
> > up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder
why we
> > go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule
connection
> > with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the
fifth
> > cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!
It
> > is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation
layer/corrosion
> > layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way
mercury
> > can harm you, right?
> > If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they
do
> > and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it
sounds
> > like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
> > fmn

> > --
> > Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon
B.
> > Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > > Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams
and
> > the
> > > mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either
your
> > mouth
> > > or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

> > > Louis


> > > > Also,
> > > > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
> > > > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
> > > > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as
> > vapor
> > > > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a
mucous
> > > > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> > > > fmn

> > > > --
> > > > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


> > > > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > > > > Steve


> > > > > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > > > > April 22, 2001
> > > > > > For Immediate Release

> > > > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys
involved
> > in
> > > > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is
> > making
> > > > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to
change
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the
National
> > > > > > Press
> > > > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will
be
> > > > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > > > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients
> > right
> > > > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a
well
> > > > > > known
> > > > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it
is
> > only
> > > > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being
aggressively
> > > > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and
dental
> > > > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
> > hundreds
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent'
issue
> > > > > > alone."

> > > > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in
the
> > West
> > > > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media
kits
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
> > attendance
> > > > > > is available.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > > > 718-258-5001
> > > > > http://www.***.com/

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.***.com/



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:29:51 GMT
 More on the News Release

Quote:
>ubject: Re: More on the News Release

>Date: 4/25/01 3:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time


Dr Frank,

Thank you so much for your contribution on this ng. I didn't know that is what
dentist were taught. So any dentist knows that mercury vapors are released, but
never stopped to think how toxic this is?? Rather just go with the flow and not
question all this?

Seems very strange to me.

Jan

Quote:
>Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
>polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
>during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical properties
>of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is bound
>up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder why we
>go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule connection
>with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the fifth
>cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!  It
>is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation layer/corrosion
>layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way mercury
>can harm you, right?
>If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they do
>and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it sounds
>like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
>fmn
>Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
>polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
>during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical properties
>of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is bound
>up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder why we
>go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule connection
>with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the fifth
>cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!  It
>is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation layer/corrosion
>layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way mercury
>can harm you, right?
>If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they do
>and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it sounds
>like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
>fmn

>--
>Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon B.
>Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


>> Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams and
>the
>> mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either your
>mouth
>> or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

>> Louis


>> > Also,
>> > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
>> > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
>> > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as
>vapor
>> > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a mucous
>> > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
>> > fmn

>> > --
>> > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


>> > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

>> > > Steve


>> > > > NEWS RELEASE

>> > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

>> > > > April 22, 2001
>> > > > For Immediate Release

>> > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys involved
>in
>> > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is
>making
>> > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to change
>> > > > the
>> > > > face of dentistry in America.
>> > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the National
>> > > > Press
>> > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will be
>> > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
>> > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients
>right
>> > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a well
>> > > > known
>> > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

>> > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it is
>only
>> > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being aggressively
>> > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and dental
>> > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
>hundreds
>> > > > of
>> > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent' issue
>> > > > alone."

>> > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in the
>West
>> > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media kits
>> > > > will
>> > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
>attendance
>> > > > is available.

>> > > --
>> > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
>> > > Brooklyn, NY
>> > > 718-258-5001
>> > > http://www.***.com/



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:56:41 GMT
 More on the News Release


Quote:
> First, let me ask you.  What is your understanding of the chemistry of the
> Gamma one and Gamma two phases?

    Very little.  I don't remember learning about them in dental materials
science, and I searched in vain for a mention in Skinner's Science of Dental
Materials (Phillips).  I think I first heard of them after the introduction of
Dispersalloy.

Quote:

> second, a polished metal surface doesn't corrode as much as an unpolished
> one, why wouldn't it work in the mouth?

    Phillips states it does work.  He states:
    If an amalgam restoration is highly polished after it has throughly
hardened, its resistance to corrosion is greatly increased.  The voids and pits
left on the surface after carving provide opportunity for concentration cell
corrosion.  The elimination of these irregularities by polishing reduces the
possibility of such cells being formed.

    Although he allows that burnishing is not the evil it was once thought to
be, he does not claim superiority to polishing.  He mentions burnishing as
including going over the just carved surface with a prophy cup and paste.  He
does stress minimizing heat, whether during burnishing after carving or
polishing after complete setting.  The rationale is not prevention of the
liberation of mercury vapor, but diminishing the formation of a mercury-rich
zone at the margin which contributes to creep and ditching.
    The tarnished layer, according to Phillips, is primarily tin sulfide, with
small amounts of tin oxide present.  He also states,
    Mercury, per se, does not influence tarnish...However, restorations with
high mercury content result in surface deterioration which then accelerates
discoloration.

Steve

Quote:
> Burnishing also work hardens and is
> better than polishing due to heat developed during polishing (vaporizing
> mercury:-)
> Again, are you saying there is no hazard from mercury in the mouth?  What is
> your position.
> regards
> fmn

> --
> Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon B.
> Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > Frank--

> >     At NYU, in our dental materials science course, corrosion was not
> related to
> > loss of mercury.  It was the silver that corroded.  Also, no one told us
> that
> > polishing prevents corrosion.  It merely work-hardened the alloy,
> lessening the
> > amount of "ditching"

> > Steve


> > > Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why we
> > > polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer, because
> > > during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical
> properties
> > > of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury is
> bound
> > > up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever wonder
> why we
> > > go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule
> connection
> > > with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to the
> fifth
> > > cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the rescue!
> It
> > > is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation
> layer/corrosion
> > > layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way
> mercury
> > > can harm you, right?
> > > If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what they
> do
> > > and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it
> sounds
> > > like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
> > > fmn

> > > --
> > > Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon
> B.
> > > Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > > > Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that amalgams
> and
> > > the
> > > > mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either
> your
> > > mouth
> > > > or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

> > > > Louis


> > > > > Also,
> > > > > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject of
> > > > > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small amounts.
> > > > > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings (as
> > > vapor
> > > > > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a
> mucous
> > > > > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> > > > > fmn

> > > > > --
> > > > > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)


> > > > > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > > > > > Steve


> > > > > > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > > > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > > > > > April 22, 2001
> > > > > > > For Immediate Release

> > > > > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys
> involved
> > > in
> > > > > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and is
> > > making
> > > > > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to
> change
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > > > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the
> National
> > > > > > > Press
> > > > > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit will
> be
> > > > > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American Dental
> > > > > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the patients
> > > right
> > > > > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if a
> well
> > > > > > > known
> > > > > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > > > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves, "it
> is
> > > only
> > > > > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being
> aggressively
> > > > > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and
> dental
> > > > > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
> > > hundreds
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent'
> issue
> > > > > > > alone."

> > > > > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M. in
> the
> > > West
> > > > > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full media
> kits
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
> > > attendance
> > > > > > > is available.

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > > > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > > > > 718-258-5001
> > > > > > http://www.***.com/

> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001
> > http://www.***.com/

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.***.com/


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:36:48 GMT
 More on the News Release
Guys,,,,,,,

Polishing reduces surface area.  Plain and simple.  Less surface area, less
metal exposed, leading to less surface corrosion.  No effect on the
hardness.

Gamma 1 & 2 were important in the alloys used in the sixties and early
seventies.  Modern alloy do not develop the high mercury phase which is
expressed to the surface by condensation.

Continue the debate, though.  I am enjoying it.

Steve
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will effect
your health.
......................



Quote:


> > First, let me ask you.  What is your understanding of the chemistry of
the
> > Gamma one and Gamma two phases?

>     Very little.  I don't remember learning about them in dental materials
> science, and I searched in vain for a mention in Skinner's Science of
Dental
> Materials (Phillips).  I think I first heard of them after the
introduction of
> Dispersalloy.

> > second, a polished metal surface doesn't corrode as much as an
unpolished
> > one, why wouldn't it work in the mouth?

>     Phillips states it does work.  He states:
>     If an amalgam restoration is highly polished after it has throughly
> hardened, its resistance to corrosion is greatly increased.  The voids and
pits
> left on the surface after carving provide opportunity for concentration
cell
> corrosion.  The elimination of these irregularities by polishing reduces
the
> possibility of such cells being formed.

>     Although he allows that burnishing is not the evil it was once thought
to
> be, he does not claim superiority to polishing.  He mentions burnishing as
> including going over the just carved surface with a prophy cup and paste.
He
> does stress minimizing heat, whether during burnishing after carving or
> polishing after complete setting.  The rationale is not prevention of the
> liberation of mercury vapor, but diminishing the formation of a
mercury-rich
> zone at the margin which contributes to creep and ditching.
>     The tarnished layer, according to Phillips, is primarily tin sulfide,
with
> small amounts of tin oxide present.  He also states,
>     Mercury, per se, does not influence tarnish...However, restorations
with
> high mercury content result in surface deterioration which then
accelerates
> discoloration.

> Steve

> > Burnishing also work hardens and is
> > better than polishing due to heat developed during polishing (vaporizing
> > mercury:-)
> > Again, are you saying there is no hazard from mercury in the mouth?
What is
> > your position.
> > regards
> > fmn

> > --
> > Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.  (Gordon
B.
> > Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > > Frank--

> > >     At NYU, in our dental materials science course, corrosion was not
> > related to
> > > loss of mercury.  It was the silver that corroded.  Also, no one told
us
> > that
> > > polishing prevents corrosion.  It merely work-hardened the alloy,
> > lessening the
> > > amount of "ditching"

> > > Steve


> > > > Ironic, isn't it :-)  How about what we learned in dental school why
we
> > > > polish:  If the amalgam doesn't corrode, then it lasts longer,
because
> > > > during corrosion, as the mercury vapor is released, the physical
> > properties
> > > > of the amalgam change.  However, as the ADA states now, the mercury
is
> > bound
> > > > up in the amalgam and is therefore not a threat.  Did you ever
wonder
> > why we
> > > > go to such lengths to protect the dentin and its direct tubule
> > connection
> > > > with the pulp, to the {*filter*} vessels, to the nerves in the tooth to
the
> > fifth
> > > > cranial nerve to the brain (hmmmmm...), but no!  Copalite to the
rescue!
> > It
> > > > is such a great sealing material coupled with the oxidation
> > layer/corrosion
> > > > layer of the amalgam, the body is protected, so their can be no way
> > mercury
> > > > can harm you, right?
> > > > If nothing else, this issue can show how few people reason out what
they
> > do
> > > > and do what is the status quo and path of least resistance.  now it
> > sounds
> > > > like the path of most resistance may be started with this lawsuit.
> > > > fmn

> > > > --
> > > > Get up in the morning, do the best you can, go to bed at night.
(Gordon
> > B.
> > > > Hinckley, President, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)


> > > > > Dr. Nelson, don't you believe the EPA when they tell you that
amalgams
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > mercury therein are perfectly safe - as long as they are in either
> > your
> > > > mouth
> > > > > or the biohazard bin.  Is there any other substance so classified?

> > > > > Louis


> > > > > > Also,
> > > > > > Mercury is neurologically just as toxic as Chromium (the subject
of
> > > > > > Brockovich story and movie) is to the body.  Both in small
amounts.
> > > > > > Wouldn't it be logical that there would be an effect in fillings
(as
> > > > vapor
> > > > > > is released each time we chew gum or chewy food) in the mouth, a
> > mucous
> > > > > > membrane area more permeable than the skin?
> > > > > > fmn

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Practice win-win or no deal. (Stephen R. Covey)

message

> > > > > > >     But will Joel play himself in the movie?

> > > > > > > Steve


> > > > > > > > NEWS RELEASE

> > > > > > > > Brockovitch Attorney Takes on American Dental Establishment

> > > > > > > > April 22, 2001
> > > > > > > > For Immediate Release

> > > > > > > > Los Angeles/Washington- Allan Sigel, one of the attorneys
> > involved
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > the now famous Erin Brockovitch case has upped the anti and
is
> > > > making
> > > > > > > > history again through a Class Action Lawsuit that is sure to
> > change
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > face of dentistry in America.
> > > > > > > > At a News Conference scheduled for Tuesday morning at the
> > National
> > > > > > > > Press
> > > > > > > > Club in Washington D.C., details of a Class Action Lawsuit
will
> > be
> > > > > > > > released that will shake the foundation of the American
Dental
> > > > > > > > Establishment. According to Mr. Sigel, "at issue is the
patients
> > > > right
> > > > > > > > to informed consent and the right of the patient to know if
a
> > well
> > > > > > > > known
> > > > > > > > toxic substance is being put into his mouth."

> > > > > > > > Although this class action is against dentists themselves,
"it
> > is
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > the beginning" states Sigel, "Similar actions are being
> > aggressively
> > > > > > > > pursued that will reach the manufacturers, associations and
> > dental
> > > > > > > > licensing boards, with experts predicting claims in the many
> > > > hundreds
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > billions of dollars on the 'Silver Filling-Informed Consent'
> > issue
> > > > > > > > alone."

> > > > > > > > The NEWS CONFERENCE is scheduled for April 24 at 9:30 A.M.
in
> > the
> > > > West
> > > > > > > > Room of the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Full
media
> > kits
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > be provided to all accredited members of the press. Limited
> > > > attendance
> > > > > > > > is available.

> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > > > > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > > > > > 718-258-5001
> > > > > > > http://www.***.com/

> > > --
> > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > 718-258-5001
> > > http://www.***.com/

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.***.com/



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