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Scottmc #1 / 9
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 IPAs vs. Managed Care
In today's Wall Street Journal (5/9/96), there is an article dealing with the slings and arrows that EVERYONE from providers and employers to patients and IPAs have to pass through. It is an excellent read because of its insights into the impact of managed care. My medical consultant friends believe that the IPAs are the only way physicians have been able to hold onto any reasonable negociating position at all. I am making a public call to organized dentistry to take action. I worked for the California Dental Association for several years so I know their limitations. But the time has come to act on behalf of the profession. I believe than rather than fight for direct reimbur{*filter*}t (which is a great theory) that they FACILITATE the formulation of IPAs among dentists. Low cost or free legal work can be done in their formulation. They should NOT be owned by the non-profit associations because they would lose their tax exempt status. Instead, they should help spin-off these for-profit, doctor run organizations ASAP. I believe they might even set up competing IPAs in the same market. My concern is not to have organized dentistry run them, just help them happen as a natural market response to influences which I think COULD hurt patients, the dental consumer, and ethical dental practice. Unless organized dentistry steps up to the plate, the vacuum will be filled by others with less pure motives. I am interested in hearing your response. Scott McDonald & Associates, Dental Marketing Services and Demographic Research, (800) 424-6222
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Mon, 26 Oct 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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PARROT #2 / 9
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IPA's ARE managed care. In my opinion, they are a result of Dentists "running scared" in the face of managed care, and doing the same thing to themselves that the big insurance companies are trying to do. Dentists have a choice that physicians do not have--they can individually insulate themselves against these managed care forces by offering good, honest, quality service and by educating their patients. Is there a place for them? Sure. But's it's not a necessity, as managed care acceptance is not a necessity for the dental practitioner, since dental treatment does not involve "catastrophic" expenses to the average patient. Most treatment, even in case of an emergency, is elective or has options. The profession has also always kept fee increases below inflation, and most dentists are happy to work out payment arrangements for desired treatment. Managed care will NEVER overtake dentistry, only those practitioners who let it.
Eliot
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Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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Scottmc #3 / 9
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I think Dr. Eliot D. Guerin's opinion that managed care will never overtake fee-for-service dentistry may be correct from a certain geographical perspective. But as I have the chance to see so many parts of the country, I can testify that it IS and HAS overtaken many markets. And it is only ignorance to suggest that it was all the fault of the local dentists for not having the GUTS to fight it. Market conditions are often like gravity, we may not like the results but you had better not ignore them. Short of a dentist union or IPAs, I find little hope for SOME geographic markets to fight against non-dentist controlled managed care (I am bowing to your point that IPAs are a kind of managed care). I have always contended that when anyone gets between the patient and the dentist is treatment, something valuable will be lost. What many of us are searching for is a way to keep that relationship in tact (if possible). Scott McDonald & Associates, Dental Marketing Services and Demographic Research, (800) 424-6222
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Sat, 31 Oct 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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PARROT #4 / 9
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All the points Scott MacDonald made in his response are well taken and valid, and I do not disagree. But he mistakenly assumes something I said as saying that managed care overtakes and area because the local area's dentists don't have the GUTS to fight it, or that it won't overtake dentistry in general, at least in some areas. My point was that an INDIVIDUAL can prevent being overtaken by managed care contracts and even the necessity to enroll in an IPA by the way he/she runs his practice, even if the whole area is inundated with only these kinds of plans. Go into any of your markets where these plans have taken over, and you'll find some of the most successful offices not even accepting assignment of benefits on regular insurance plans. So Mr. Mcdonald is right in his statement that certain areas cannot fight non-dentist controlled managed care, and I commend him in his fight to prevent a third entity from coming between the dentist and patient. But those same areas will always have successful dentists who have individually molded their offices so that these factors have little influence. Where there's a K-Mart, there's also room for Neiman Marcus! Eliot
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Sun, 01 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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HGrant #5 / 9
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 IPAs vs. Managed Care
I agree with Eliot. There will always be a significant group of dental patients who choose not to pay fee for service dentistry, don't value it, or simply can not afford it. However, there will always be a small but loyal population of health-conscious people who value a quality fee for service practice and who will always be philosophically diametrically opposed to any form of managed care. For the individual dentist, it requires a firm philosophical and ethical stance to reject the temptation to take the easy route. Remember, managed care neither is well-managed nor provides optimal care. Grant Ritchey
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Sun, 01 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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Robert Marko #6 / 9
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writes: Quote: >All the points Scott MacDonald made in his response are well taken and >valid, and I do not disagree. But he mistakenly assumes something I said >as saying that managed care overtakes and area because the local area's >dentists don't have the GUTS to fight it, or that it won't overtake >dentistry in general, at least in some areas. >My point was that an INDIVIDUAL can prevent being overtaken by managed >care contracts and even the necessity to enroll in an IPA by the way >he/she runs his practice, even if the whole area is inundated with only >these kinds of plans. Go into any of your markets where these plans have >taken over, and you'll find some of the most successful offices not even >accepting assignment of benefits on regular insurance plans. >So Mr. Mcdonald is right in his statement that certain areas cannot fight >non-dentist controlled managed care, and I commend him in his fight to >prevent a third entity from coming between the dentist and patient. But >those same areas will always have successful dentists who have >individually molded their offices so that these factors have little >influence. Where there's a K-Mart, there's also room for Neiman Marcus! > Eliot
Dear Eliot, You are correct in your theory, but, I believe, incorrect in the practicality of the dynamics of a free-market society. Of course there's room for Neiman Marcus...but just how many NM's do you think each region can support? Have you noticed an increase in the number of outlet stores in your state? I think you should also take into account the changes in all socio-economic levels and the trickle-down effect of corporate down-sizing. You are INCORRECTLY stereotyping all managed-care practices as K-Marts. While I would be the first to agree that there are some terrible dental practices out there, many of them are full-fee-for-service practices that have never been on an HMO plan. Yes, some of the bad practices are HMO practices, but I think it is unwise of you to make the assumption. I also think you are probably smart enough to realize that there are in fact, some similar items that can be purchased at K-Mart & NM. Paying the higher price does not always guarantee quaility. And as we approach the 21st century, I think you will find that much more of the population is concerned about value and conserving cash than they are about seeking out the difference between a "plan" crown vs. a "non-plan" crown. Robert Markoff, DDS TX
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Mon, 02 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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PARROT #7 / 9
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Dr. Markoff, Quote: >> incorrect in the
practicality of the dynamics of a free-market society. (?) Quote: >> take into account the changes in all
socio-economic levels and the trickle-down effect of corporate down-sizing. Quote: >>I also think you are probably smart enough to realize that there are in
fact, some similar items that can be purchased at K-Mart & NM. Paying the higher price does not always guarantee quaility. Thanks for the confidence in my intelligence! Your response sounds pretty defensive to me--believeme, I was not attacking your office! All these "economic" quotes look to me like a pretty pessimistic view of the way society is affecting your practice. All I said was that what I do in my office (offer quality service and dentistry, treat people nicely, spend more time with them than the average dentist does, and more time than the average HMO dentist can afford to) allows me to work and be happier. Nowhere did I say I do better crowns than every HMO dentist, or that all HMO dentists are bad dentists, but this seems to be the message you got. I can't deny that the segment of the population "price shopping" for crowns or dentistry in general is growing, but my office is geared to the people who will always appreciate that something extra they get in my office and don't only rely on price. I've had many patients come back to me after trying their "plan dentist". And fee-wise, no, I'm not cheap, but I'm not the most expensive either. Read again the last post from Grant Richey--he words it perfectly. So am I saying that this is the only way dentists should practice--No! Only that this works for me and my patients. Good luck with whatever management style works for you. Eliot
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Thu, 05 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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Stephen Tod #8 / 9
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Well, I don't know what it's like in the States, but here in the U.K., in three areas where I have experience, there have always been more people wiling to pay a fair fee for the highest quality dentistry than there are dentists wiling to provide that service. So until that disparity disappears, I shan't worry about the intellectual niceties. Stephen
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Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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Scottmc #9 / 9
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Dr. Todd makes an interesting observation about the UK. If there are people in the UK who are willing to pay for quality service, why are there insufficient numbers of dentists willing to provide it? I would propose from my work in the UK and on the continent that government regulation has a very chilling effect. If there is a "holy fight" in the managed care issue, it is to keep government regulators (the 900 pound gorilla) out of the fight. Unfortunately, I believe we may see Washington attempt to get its hands on even more regulation in the name of protecting the public's best interest. Back to the point, there is certainly a "balance level" which market forces will reach IF they are permitted to reach it without interference. I am doing everything I can to predict that point of balance so I can share the information with my dentist friends. To put it another way, when will there be enough NM vs. K-Marts? It's out there somewhere (the number, I mean.) Scott McDonald & Associates, Dental Marketing Services and Demographic Research, (800) 424-6222
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Mon, 09 Nov 1998 03:00:00 GMT |
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