> Do any of you have any experience with patients complaining, or indicating
> that salt water swishing can actually aggravate a mouth sore and impede the
> healing process, rather than help in the healing process.  I believe it can,
> but have never been able to ascertain this.

> I wrote you about my torus surgery on 5/26/07 in the "suture thread".  Went
> to dentist last Thursday and the stitches were indeed gone like I said (ie I
> swallowed them).  He said the surgery looked okay and I told him it was real
> sore and hurt when I swallowed, etc etc.  I go back next Thursday to discuss
> the details of my supposed upcoming implant, and I told him I am not having
> the implant until the torus heals.

> Anyway I originally used "Amosans" wound cleanser to swish in my mouth (it
> is the best thing you can use IMO - marketed by {*filter*}B), but you can't buy
> it (or order it) anymore in any pharmacy, so you have to order it somewhere
> on the Internet.  I ran out of it, and switched to my old standby
> "sal{*filter*}er".  I could not tell if the sal{*filter*}er was helping or hurting, so I
> quit using it, and just swish with warm water now.  I had a pizza burn over
> 30 years ago, and it wouldn't heal, and I asked an {*filter*}surgeon if I should
> quit using the sal{*filter*}er, and he agreed that it could be possible it was
> making the situation worse.  After a round of antibiotics, and picking a
> bone chip out of the roof of my mouth, it finally got better.

> Just wondered if anyone has ever heard of this phenomena (ie can sal{*filter*}er
> swishing aggravate a wound and actually make it worse).  You know what
> happens when you poor salt into an open wound - ouch :-) .

> I also have a side question.  I am having an EGD (endoscopic investigation
> of esophagus, stomach and duodenum) on Tuesday, and I know the torus surgery
> will still be sore (a lot of the white pseudo membrane is still there, and
> red around it - BTW how long will it take for the white to go away by the
> granulation process).  There is no way I will ask my gastro about this and
> risk him canceling the procedure.  Do you think the endoscope could rub up
> against my healing torus (position #17) and cause any problems.  I doubt it
> because they give you a mouthpiece before you go under (he uses Versed, but
> it knocks you out completely even though he calls it conscious sedation -
> lol), and he passes the scope through the center of the mouthpiece and
> therefore it should steer clear of the sides of my jaws I would think.  I am
> going through with the EGD without mentioning it to him, but I am just
> wondering if you could offer a comment on this also - so maybe I can have a
> better piece of mind :-) .

> Thanks...Pete

>> Do any of you have any experience with patients complaining, or
>> indicating that salt water swishing can actually aggravate a mouth
>> sore and impede the healing process, rather than help in the healing
>> process.  I believe it can, but have never been able to ascertain
>> this. I wrote you about my torus surgery on 5/26/07 in the "suture
>> thread".  Went to dentist last Thursday and the stitches were indeed
>> gone like I said (ie I swallowed them).  He said the surgery looked
>> okay and I told him it was real sore and hurt when I swallowed, etc
>> etc.  I go back next Thursday to discuss the details of my supposed
>> upcoming implant, and I told him I am not having the implant until
>> the torus heals. Anyway I originally used "Amosans" wound cleanser to
>> swish in my
>> mouth (it is the best thing you can use IMO - marketed by {*filter*}B),
>> but you can't buy it (or order it) anymore in any pharmacy, so you
>> have to order it somewhere on the Internet.  I ran out of it, and
>> switched to my old standby "sal{*filter*}er".  I could not tell if the
>> sal{*filter*}er was helping or hurting, so I quit using it, and just swish
>> with warm water now.  I had a pizza burn over 30 years ago, and it
>> wouldn't heal, and I asked an {*filter*}surgeon if I should quit using
>> the sal{*filter*}er, and he agreed that it could be possible it was making
>> the situation worse.  After a round of antibiotics, and picking a
>> bone chip out of the roof of my mouth, it finally got better. Just
>> wondered if anyone has ever heard of this phenomena (ie can
>> sal{*filter*}er swishing aggravate a wound and actually make it worse). You
>> know what happens when you poor salt into an open wound - ouch
>> :-) . I also have a side question.  I am having an EGD (endoscopic
>> investigation of esophagus, stomach and duodenum) on Tuesday, and I
>> know the torus surgery will still be sore (a lot of the white pseudo
>> membrane is still there, and red around it - BTW how long will it
>> take for the white to go away by the granulation process).  There is
>> no way I will ask my gastro about this and risk him canceling the
>> procedure.  Do you think the endoscope could rub up against my
>> healing torus (position #17) and cause any problems.  I doubt it
>> because they give you a mouthpiece before you go under (he uses
>> Versed, but it knocks you out completely even though he calls it
>> conscious sedation - lol), and he passes the scope through the
>> center of the mouthpiece and therefore it should steer clear of the
>> sides of my jaws I would think.  I am going through with the EGD
>> without mentioning it to him, but I am just wondering if you could
>> offer a comment on this also - so maybe I can have a better piece of
>> mind :-) .  Thanks...Pete

> The salt water can be irritating if it's too concentrated.  1/2 tsp.
> to 8 oz. of warm water is about right.
> The pseudomembrane and granulation healing time is in direct
> proportion to the size of the surgical wound.  IIRC, the {*filter*}
> epithelium advances from the edge of the wound at about 1/2 mm/day.
> It is foolish to withhold information from your surgeon or
> anesthesiologist.  I doubt it would cause a problem, but do you want
> the anesthesiologist to stop your induction because he/she doesn't
> know what it is and is afraid of being blamed for something he/she
> didn't do?
> Steve