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The Real Pau #1 / 12
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Wow, why are you showing us?
Quote: > Here's the pic I promised. > A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal. > -- > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:21:14 GMT |
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W_B #2 / 12
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SP asked.
Quote: >Wow, why are you showing us?
>> Here's the pic I promised. >> A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal. >> -- >> W_B >> Take out the G'RBAGE
-- W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:12:30 GMT |
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StovePi #3 / 12
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Quote: > Wow, why are you showing us?
> > Here's the pic I promised. > > A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal. > > -- > > W_B > > Take out the G'RBAGE
b/cs _some_ of us would like to know.... _Some_ of us have developed an expertise in one or another discipline of Dentistry and _some_ others of us are only too happy to observe how it's done. This arose out of some questions I raised re: how to sterilize files and when to throw them away. Cheers and thanks W_B SP -- To reply: take out the TRASH...
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:19:25 GMT |
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StovePi #4 / 12
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> SP asked.
> >Wow, why are you showing us?
> >> Here's the pic I promised. > >> A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal.
How do you curve the this much? Between thumb and fingers? Butting it against the tray? This seems to be a made-to-measure curve for the mesial root of a 1st molar. IIRC, you curve them this way up till file # 15, correct? Thanks SP -- To reply: take out the TRASH...
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:16:36 GMT |
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W_B #5 / 12
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>> SP asked.
>> >Wow, why are you showing us?
>> >> Here's the pic I promised. >> >> A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal. >How do you curve the this much? Between thumb and fingers?
Yep. Was taught to use the end of a damp cotton roll, but I just use my fingers. Quote: >Butting it >against the tray?
Nope. That would tend to cause a kink. Quote: >This seems to be a made-to-measure curve for the >mesial root of a 1st molar.
You've got it. Quote: >IIRC, you curve them this way up till file # >15, correct?
Yessiree ! Quote: >Thanks >SP
-- W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:52:35 GMT |
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StovePi #6 / 12
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> >How do you curve the this much? Between thumb and fingers? > Yep. Was taught to use the end of a damp cotton roll, > but I just use my fingers. > >Butting it > >against the tray? > Nope. That would tend to cause a kink. > >This seems to be a made-to-measure curve for the > >mesial root of a 1st molar. > You've got it. > >IIRC, you curve them this way up till file # > >15, correct? > Yessiree ! > >Thanks > >SP
Thanks SP -- To reply: take out the TRASH...
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Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:56:41 GMT |
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The Real Pau #7 / 12
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gotcha....don't they make a tool to bend files nice and smooth?
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> > Wow, why are you showing us?
> > > Here's the pic I promised. > > > A #8 pre-curved *before* introduction into a canal. > > > -- > > > W_B > > > Take out the G'RBAGE
> b/cs _some_ of us would like to know.... _Some_ of us have developed an > expertise in one or another discipline of Dentistry and _some_ others of > us are only too happy to observe how it's done. This arose out of some > questions I raised re: how to sterilize files and when to throw them > away. > Cheers and thanks W_B > SP > -- > To reply: take out the TRASH...
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Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:35:12 GMT |
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The Real Pau #8 / 12
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No, this: http://www.endobuchanan.com/products/access.html The last item on the page is the Endo-Bender which will give a kinkless bend to the file
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> >gotcha....don't they make a tool to bend files nice and smooth? > Yep they sure do. > They are called fingers and thumb. > An example of masterful engineering. > -- > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE
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Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:18:36 GMT |
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DD #9 / 12
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> No, this: > http://www.endobuchanan.com/products/access.html > The last item on the page is the Endo-Bender which will give a kinkless bend > to the file
>>>gotcha....don't they make a tool to bend files nice and smooth? >>Yep they sure do. >>They are called fingers and thumb. >>An example of masterful engineering. >>-- >>W_B >>Take out the G'RBAGE
I don't know. I think I'm with WB here. I like Buchanan, but this looks like a product for sissies, not manly men doing manly things and womenly women doing womenly things. Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001
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Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:42:58 GMT |
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Dr Stev #10 / 12
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If someone lacks the dexterity to bend a file by hand, should they be doing RCT? I never have pre-bent files. I use #8, #10 and #15 for quite a long time. Then, I try taking #20 to length and finish up. Working the tiny files real well avoids ledging and the files are so flexible that they follow the c{*filter*} automatically. On withdrawal, you can generally see the bend of the c{*filter*} on the #10 or #15. Usually the bends are only in the apical 1/5 of the root. -- ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
Quote: > No, this: > http://www.***.com/ > The last item on the page is the Endo-Bender which will give a kinkless bend > to the file
> > >gotcha....don't they make a tool to bend files nice and smooth? > > Yep they sure do. > > They are called fingers and thumb. > > An example of masterful engineering. > > -- > > W_B > > Take out the G'RBAGE
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Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:47:22 GMT |
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StovePi #11 / 12
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> >If someone lacks the dexterity to bend a file by hand, should they be doing > >RCT? > >I never have pre-bent files. I use #8, #10 and #15 for quite a long time. > >Then, I try taking #20 to length and finish up. Working the tiny files real > >well avoids ledging and the files are so flexible that they follow the c{*filter*} > >automatically. On withdrawal, you can generally see the bend of the c{*filter*} > >on the #10 or #15. Usually the bends are only in the apical 1/5 of the > >root.
....Working like this, I think you'd like the SafeSider files of Musikant. I think they are hand files from begining to end. Quote: > Good tips. > I use a #15 to probe the canals, if it doesn't go to length then > I drop down to 10, 8, and (rarely) a 6. > Then use the gates 2 - 5 or 6 at decreasing depths. > (no worries about ledging)
CT Ruddle says to use GG's in a brushing motion, rather than try to dig with them. Quote: > Then 'crown down' with the GT files. Usually the > 30's or 40's. Rarely use the 20 series except in calcified > canals.
HOLY MACKEREL-Aaaa... You take a GT file series 30 or 40 into an MB1 or MB2??? IOW, you open the apex of that root to a #30 or 40???? Quote: > No worries about ledging here either. > Recapitulate with the #15 often, and irrigate > between files, and remove debris from rotary > files before introducing into subsequent canals > (same tooth). This greatly reduces the chance > of instrument separation.
Very good point... Quote: > IMO you can safely use GT's in a 4 canaled molar > but the files should be discarded afterwards. > BTW you can't bend a NiTi and have it hold a shape, IME.
No.... But then you wouldn't want to send a rotating bent file down a root c{*filter*}anyways... Quote: > --
Cheers SP -- To reply: take out the TRASH...
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Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:06:56 GMT |
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W_B #12 / 12
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>> Then use the gates 2 - 5 or 6 at decreasing depths. >> (no worries about ledging) >CT Ruddle says to use GG's in a brushing motion, rather than try to dig >with them.
If you say so. Quote: >> Then 'crown down' with the GT files. Usually the >> 30's or 40's. Rarely use the 20 series except in calcified >> canals. >HOLY MACKEREL-Aaaa... You take a GT file series 30 or 40 into an MB1 or >MB2??? IOW, you open the apex of that root to a #30 or 40????
Yep for MB1, If you prepare the c{*filter*}in the manner described, the 30/.04 will usually go to length. if not drop to the 20 series. A 40 sure, in large canals, usually younger folks. MB2 ? I usually hand file these or use the pro-tapers. 20 series is what I would recommend to others. Sometimes you can get these to a 30. Age of the patient is usually a factor in the size of the canal, but not always. -- W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:57:48 GMT |
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