ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN! 
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 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

It happend to my daughter she now needs two surgeries to repair the damage.
these are a couple of the links I have found with Info on tooth extractions and
damage caused.

let me know if you have others.
http://www.***.com/
http://www.***.com/

JOHN



Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:01:14 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>England, a Dr. Mew.  While he may be on the cutting edge of new
>technology regarding the causes and effects of {*filter*} growth,

Dr. Mew's methods are non-extreme, and natrual. The modern orthodontics you are
so proud of, Is yanking perfectly healthy teeth from small growing children and
then placing headgear on thier faces to prevent growth. Its funny how somthing
so barbaric
is looked uppon as normal.
Dr. Mew is not alone there are thousands who have seen the light.
Thanks for your links I hope all parents learn from both schools of thought on
this subject. I was not warned of the possible dangers of extractions and I
regret what happened to my daughter.


Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:06:30 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!
Making a blanket statement that orthodontists and/or tooth extractions can
harm children, and posting these messages with this type of sensational,
scare tactic headline is akin to posting "PEOPLE DIE DURING HEART SURGERY."
OK I know it's extreme, but let me continue my point. There's more to it
than appears.

Both can be useful, quality of life enhancing procedures, WHEN APPROPRIATE
AND WHEN DIAGNOSIS AND PROCEDURES ARE DONE CORRECTLY, AND WHEN PATIENTS
FOLLOW HOME CARE INSTRUCTIONS CORRECTLY.

However, when an innapropriate diagnosis/treatment plan exisits, e.g.
extracting teeth on a patient whose face or skeletal pattern contraindicates
it, or operating on a patient who has contraindications to surgery, more
harm than good can come of the treatment.

In addition it's important to remember that extraction of teeth is not a
treatment goal, it's a way to reach a treatment goal, along with proper
orthodontic mechanics, and home cooperation. Also, some people's faces
flatten out as they reach puberty, extractions or not, and we as
orthodontists cannot always overcome genetically preprogrammed growth, try
as we might. We can only work with it.

Having said that, our goals are to create an occlusion with proper {*filter*}
and dental esthetics, dental stability, and function. Sometimes those goals
cannot be reached without extraction of teeth and/or orthognathic surgery.

The real key for us is to tell the parents beforehand what the choices are
and  to the best of our ability, what the downsides may be. Sometimes the
best answer is not to treat at all, if the choices the parent wants won't
let us reach our goals , or to begin with the parent knowing we'll be
accepting a compromise.

No one ever died because they didn't have straight teeth.

I empathize with you in your anger and with the future problems you'll be
dealing with, but extractions in and of themselves aren't the problem.

Regards,

Jeff Genecov, DDS, MSD
Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics


Quote:
>>England, a Dr. Mew.  While he may be on the cutting edge of new
>>technology regarding the causes and effects of {*filter*} growth,

>Dr. Mew's methods are non-extreme, and natrual. The modern orthodontics you
are
>so proud of, Is yanking perfectly healthy teeth from small growing children
and
>then placing headgear on thier faces to prevent growth. Its funny how
somthing
>so barbaric
>is looked uppon as normal.
>Dr. Mew is not alone there are thousands who have seen the light.
>Thanks for your links I hope all parents learn from both schools of thought
on
>this subject. I was not warned of the possible dangers of extractions and I
>regret what happened to my daughter.



Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>The real key for us is to tell the parents beforehand what the choices are
>and  to the best of our ability, what the downsides may be. Sometimes the
>best answer is not to treat at all,

I agree the with your statement above. Unfortunately, most orthodontist don't
warn parents or even hint that there may be negative results. And because it is
very hard to find another (impossible in my daughters case) orthodontist who
will stand up and criticize a fellow orthodontist in court ( to testify). The
parents of the damaged child have little recourse.

Thanks for your input here.
John



Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>Good concept to sell a technique or a product. I will like to see
>photographsof such claimed damage due to extractions.
>I have seen this same exact postings before. Is this a repeat? or hasthis
>appeared before in some

I have nothing to sell! I have never talked to Dr. Mew.
I just know he shares my point of view.
 I have posted other web sites in florida
and the east coast. I live in California Dr. Mew lives in England, and all my
post have been for orthodontist
who are anti-extraction because they can see the {*filter*} damage that it often
causes
in children. All sites (links) where found by searching the web.
If you look at the site (Dr. Mew's) again you will see he is just presenting
his ideas
not trying to drum up business. He has plenty.

I just want to warn other parents of what can happen if you don't question you
childs orthodontist.

Thanks for you input,,,,REALLY !
I hope others join in here.Even if you disagree with me.



Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>Very questionable website. Lot of statements with very little proof
>to back it up. Even the photographs are supposed to tell a story and they
>don't!

I made video copy of  a T.V.show an investigatve news report done by channel 4
in London. It will shock you. Are you an Orthodontist?
Also I have , and will post other sites of professionals who believe as Dr. Mew
does.
I have nothing to sell. I want to warn parents, No one warned me 5 years ago
not even the Doctors who treated her..
John


Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>I have seen this same exact postings before. Is this a repeat?

A couple of weeks ago yes. a repeated warning to parnent who are thinking about
letting Doctors pull healthy teeth. and I have found other links that inform
parnents.
It does'nt cost a penny to read up on other ideas.


Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!
I can't speak for others - I don't know how they practice, but we go through
informed consent with every patient. How can you say most orthodontists do
or don't do anything - have you beem to that many offices that you can make
such a statement?

In fact, the informed consent form that we used for many years was created
in California.

Regards,

Jeff Genecov, DDS, MSD
Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics


Quote:
>>The real key for us is to tell the parents beforehand what the choices are
>>and  to the best of our ability, what the downsides may be. Sometimes the
>>best answer is not to treat at all,

>I agree the with your statement above. Unfortunately, most orthodontist
don't
>warn parents or even hint that there may be negative results. And because
it is
>very hard to find another (impossible in my daughters case) orthodontist
who
>will stand up and criticize a fellow orthodontist in court ( to testify).
The
>parents of the damaged child have little recourse.

>Thanks for your input here.
>John



Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!
I checked out the web site for Dr. Mew. I agree with the earlier post that
many of the website statements are out of line and not substantiated. Most
of all I read there was a lot of BUNK!

The site spends lots of time describing  that orthodontic treatment causes
an increase in {*filter*} height and vertical growth, but then tells people not
to extract teeth.

Guess what? One of the ways to decrease or control vertical growth is to
extract teeth! One of the best ways to open the bite and create a longer
{*filter*} height is NON extraction treatment!

Another way to increase vertical height is to prop the mandible forward in
the hopes that it will grow - the functional appliance effect. This
treatment philosophy can work in horizontal growers but is largely
contraindicated in vertical growers. Why? Because it makes the face longer,
pulls the upper front teeth down and back - precisely what the website says
it doesn't do!

The site  also discusses that children and young {*filter*}s are having skeletal
surgery - it's well known in the profession that orthognathic surgery is
done AFTER the patient has finished growing. I know orthodontists in England
(where Dr. Mew is from)and they are not that uninformed or backward.

I think that you may have a legitimate complaint with your daughter's
treatment results, but allying yourself with the teachings of this website
will not help you get your point across.

Regards,

Jeff Genecov, DDS, MSD
Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics


Quote:
>>Good concept to sell a technique or a product. I will like to see
>>photographsof such claimed damage due to extractions.
>>I have seen this same exact postings before. Is this a repeat? or hasthis
>>appeared before in some

>I have nothing to sell! I have never talked to Dr. Mew.
>I just know he shares my point of view.
> I have posted other web sites in florida
>and the east coast. I live in California Dr. Mew lives in England, and all
my
>post have been for orthodontist
>who are anti-extraction because they can see the {*filter*} damage that it
often
>causes
>in children. All sites (links) where found by searching the web.
>If you look at the site (Dr. Mew's) again you will see he is just
presenting
>his ideas
>not trying to drum up business. He has plenty.

>I just want to warn other parents of what can happen if you don't question
you
>childs orthodontist.

>Thanks for you input,,,,REALLY !
>I hope others join in here.Even if you disagree with me.



Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>I think that you may have a legitimate complaint with your daughter's
>treatment results, but allying yourself with the teachings of this website

In the past some have complained that the British have bad teeth and that
we as Americans should never consider them (the Brits) as teachers
of dentistry well,,,Here are some American sites who preach non-extraction in
treat treatment.
http://www.braceface.com/Noheadgear.htm
http://www.drdavidjones.com/functional_orthodontics.htm
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~pmiles/question.htm#risks
http://www.crozatdoc.com/faq.html
please do searches you will find more too.
I want more information too.
Thanks>I think that you may have a legitimate complaint with your daughter's
Quote:
>treatment results, but allying yourself with the teachings of this website

and the numbers of orthodontist who see the damage are growing every year.

A growing number of regular dentist(NON- Ortho) treat their children with
braces rather than have an orthodontist straighten their teeth to avoid
extraction's.
THIS IS NO LIE!
I also have a video tape that shows idenical twin boys. One treated the
conventional way "extractions" the other with out
the one with out looks much much better
the one with extractions.
the proof is there in many cases. I have seen it first hand.
Everyone gives these orthodontist incredible benefit ofr doubt.
And some of them count on that. It protects them too.
They are not Gods they are people who can and do make serious mistakes.
John



Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:04:08 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!


    To which poster are you referring? Not me. I never stated as such, nor implied as such. Neither did Parentof{*filter*}. He agrees with the information on Dr Mew's website. I did not make a blanket statement about   British dentistry or dentists. Nor do I have a buddy in England doing early orthognathics.
     I disagree with almost everything I read on that website, and therefore Parentof{*filter*} and I disagree.
    Regards,
    Jeff Genecov, DDS, MSD
    Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics
      The poster, thinks that doctors from England are bad clinicians and teachers because english people have bad teeth. His statement kind of follows his theory about extractions as well. I have no clue where he is getting these ideas from.
    I know a clinician in USA treating impactions at 8-9 years old! It makes no sense but I guess in England he has a buddy who is doing orthognathic surgeries earlier than rest of the world.
    Chanda Kale



Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!
YOU SAID>Sometimes decision to extract teeth is as simple as not being ableto
park to>cars in a car garage!

My Responce:
There are now very successful methods of expanding the jaw to accommodate teeth
in other words "make the garage bigger" Read up on the "Biobloc" methods now
being used in the united states. In my daughters case I believe now, with
research that she never needed braces but because my insurance was good this
orthodontist dug in and helped his self.
Greed yes it motivates many even doctors. I have seen first hand the damage
done and the video is very good proof, why not judge results buy photos? photos
are used every day as proof of results.
See ! orthodontist often claim they can do so much then, when results are poor
they blame genetics or a missed office visit they have a lot they hide behind
then they offer no proof. How dare anyone ask this well educated person for
proof? He has a deploma on his wall and a nice office with many chairs.
Then when someone like DR. Mew (link provided below) steps out of the crowd
with the use of "Biobloc" (Making the garage bigger)As YOU might put it, Many
of you professionals get very angry instead of opening your  minds and taking a
look at what he is doing  they throw stones and insults because he is inglish
and at the victim's parents when I try to warn others. and the other Doctors
who are innovative.Stop and take a look before you cast stones.



Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!
 >.You live in florida,
Dr. Chanda Kale;
I never said I live in Florida Doctor, you act like you are such a stickler for
the hard facts, but you often misquote!
 In the future please save the reader a lot of time from going back by just
pasting quotes like I have above. i.e. specific points you are addressing Not
the entire paragraph.

I said I posted websites not only from the UK but from Professionals in Florida
and other states and that I don't even live or work near those states, that I
have no affiliation with these sites, I just know they provide the same view as
I do.
a few days ago I had to defend my motives here when I was accused by someone of
trying to drum up business for a specific web site. I went on to say I post
links to any and many sites that will lead parents and professionals to the
truth.
I live in the Los Angeles area of California.
I have gotten many opinions second third fourth and fith and even sixth every
one said that extractions where not required for my daughter.   John



Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 ORTHODONTIST CAN HARM CHILDERN!

Quote:
>he poster, thinks that doctors from England are bad clinicians =
>and teachers because english people have bad teeth. His statement kind =

Not me "parentof{*filter*}" i think the Brits are great. Dr. Mew is great.


Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:00:00 GMT
 
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