Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride 
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 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride

Establishing the point of being reasonable as opposed to unreasonable,
is a goal we all face from time to time.  

The public perception in the USA seems to be accepting of fluoride as a
decay preventive measure.  There will always be lay people on the fringe
of society who cast doubts about the establishment's positions on just
about anything.

Here in smd, we have recently visited some of the issues pertaining to
the parent's role in providing safe amounts of fluoride to her/his
children.  

Concerning fluoride, the dentists and physicians who determine the
fluoride needs to their patients, do so in accordance with guidelines
set forth by various agencies.  Most pediatricians or family doctors
probably know very little about *the issues* related to fluoride unless
that person has a special interest in the topic.  

If it is a fair statement to say that smders learned something from the
recent activities related to the "fluoride concerns of Keri", then it is
fair to ask the smders to share what the learned.

Is it possible to expand upon the subject and to keep it in tight focus
via multiple related subject lines?

TW



Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:37:13 GMT
 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:37:13 GMT, The Webby

Quote:

>Establishing the point of being reasonable as opposed to unreasonable,
>is a goal we all face from time to time.  

WHY???

Go back in time a bit. Some dentists (I thought unreasonably) were
beating down on you something fierce. They said Webby was
unreasonable.

I took your side for two reasons:

1. Everyone deserves a voice free from abuse from the majority.

2. I believed in your statements which at the time were contrary to
ORGANIZED DENTISTRY.

Turns out you were right, although you could have been wrong.

How would I know unless you had a chance to say all you had to say?

Joel

Quote:

>The public perception in the USA seems to be accepting of fluoride as a
>decay preventive measure.  There will always be lay people on the fringe
>of society who cast doubts about the establishment's positions on just
>about anything.

>Here in smd, we have recently visited some of the issues pertaining to
>the parent's role in providing safe amounts of fluoride to her/his
>children.  

>Concerning fluoride, the dentists and physicians who determine the
>fluoride needs to their patients, do so in accordance with guidelines
>set forth by various agencies.  Most pediatricians or family doctors
>probably know very little about *the issues* related to fluoride unless
>that person has a special interest in the topic.  

>If it is a fair statement to say that smders learned something from the
>recent activities related to the "fluoride concerns of Keri", then it is
>fair to ask the smders to share what the learned.

>Is it possible to expand upon the subject and to keep it in tight focus
>via multiple related subject lines?

>TW



Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:45:06 GMT
 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:37:13 GMT, The Webby

Quote:

>Concerning fluoride, the dentists and physicians who determine the
>fluoride needs to their patients, do so in accordance with guidelines
>set forth by various agencies.  Most pediatricians or family doctors
>probably know very little about *the issues* related to fluoride unless
>that person has a special interest in the topic.  

This is correct, but perhaps we need to change guidelines.

Kids cannot be limited to a liter of water.

That's stupid and causes no harm in my small observations of kids ...
and adolescents.

Joel



Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:46:25 GMT
 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride


Quote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:37:13 GMT, The Webby

> >Establishing the point of being reasonable as opposed to unreasonable,
> >is a goal we all face from time to time.  

We all *face* this from time to time.  I didn't say anything about who
is being reasonable or unreasonable.  

Quote:

> WHY???

> Go back in time a bit. Some dentists (I thought unreasonably) were
> beating down on you something fierce. They said Webby was
> unreasonable.

> I took your side for two reasons:

> 1. Everyone deserves a voice free from abuse from the majority.

> 2. I believed in your statements which at the time were contrary to
> ORGANIZED DENTISTRY.

> Turns out you were right, although you could have been wrong.

> How would I know unless you had a chance to say all you had to say?

> Joel

In this instance of the fluoride controversy, I am convinced that more
needs to be done in the realm of educating the public about the issues,
establishing consistency in public information regarding the
safe/effective vs. unsafe and detrimental intake of fluoride.

I do not think most pediatricians or family practitioners have much
information about fluoride other than their access to guidelines which
place within in the "standard of care" if questions arise.  I do not
think that is adequate.

But, OTOH, I think it was unreasonable for "Keri" to have concluded that
I was treating her/her questions without sensitivity.  I was extremely
concerned.  I am not sticking my head in the sand about fluoride or
fluoridation.  

It is confusing to know whether we are discussing reasonable vs.
unreasonable hazards in life or reasonable vs. unreasonable people in
life.  

And yes, I absolutely believe that all people have a right to express
themselves.  And I have *always appreciated* your willingness to support
me in my attempt to be heard.  

TW

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Quote:

> >The public perception in the USA seems to be accepting of fluoride as a
> >decay preventive measure.  There will always be lay people on the fringe
> >of society who cast doubts about the establishment's positions on just
> >about anything.

> >Here in smd, we have recently visited some of the issues pertaining to
> >the parent's role in providing safe amounts of fluoride to her/his
> >children.  

> >Concerning fluoride, the dentists and physicians who determine the
> >fluoride needs to their patients, do so in accordance with guidelines
> >set forth by various agencies.  Most pediatricians or family doctors
> >probably know very little about *the issues* related to fluoride unless
> >that person has a special interest in the topic.  

> >If it is a fair statement to say that smders learned something from the
> >recent activities related to the "fluoride concerns of Keri", then it is
> >fair to ask the smders to share what the learned.

> >Is it possible to expand upon the subject and to keep it in tight focus
> >via multiple related subject lines?

> >TW



Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:19:24 GMT
 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride


Quote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:37:13 GMT, The Webby

> >Concerning fluoride, the dentists and physicians who determine the
> >fluoride needs to their patients, do so in accordance with guidelines
> >set forth by various agencies.  Most pediatricians or family doctors
> >probably know very little about *the issues* related to fluoride unless
> >that person has a special interest in the topic.  

> This is correct, but perhaps we need to change guidelines.

> Kids cannot be limited to a liter of water.

> That's stupid and causes no harm in my small observations of kids ...
> and adolescents.

> Joel

If I were going to campaign for change, I would not want to begin by
alienating someone like me.  

TW



Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:20:56 GMT
 Invented concerns or valid concerns: fluoride
Have submitted this before, but have not seen it appear on the newsgroup.
Haven't followed all of Keri's posts and don't know if they were actual or
fictitious posts.  
Can anyone answer these questions, however.
Was she advised to give child bottled water to avoid fluoride.
If teeth develop brown spots on 2 front teeth, is that decay, demineralization,
or ?
Situation has come up causing concern.
Does Tempe, or Avondale Arizona have excess flouride as in Texas.
Does teeth whitening weaken the teeth.
Is this a problem of teeth lacking calcium to begin with.

Everyone have a nice holiday and good New Year with good health and whatever it
is you wish for.

Gail



Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:51:33 GMT
 
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