Need some advice: Salivary duct stone 
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 Need some advice: Salivary duct stone

Hi,

I have recently been diagnosed with a sialolith located in my
submandibular gland. Apparently mine is rather unusual as it is about
10-12mm in diameter. However it is causing me very little discomfort
(which is probably the reason it got so big in the first place).

My consultant recommended surgery but the information he has given me
from my two examinations has left me very confused and frightened.

I am left with the impression that if I submit to surgery (this would
not be the more dramatic removal of the gland but an incision in the
mouth above the gland to try to "milk" the stone out) there is a
fairly high chance that the nerve controlling the muscles on that side
of my face could get damaged and leave me with a sagging mouth.

What I would like to know is this:

1)      What exactly *is* the chance of nerve damage occurring during this
type of operation?

2)      Should I consent to this operation anyway considering the stone
gives me hardly any discomfort whatsoever?

3)      What are the chances of the stone either enlarging or breaking up
and being discharged through the duct naturally?

I would really appreciate any advice or details of relevant case
histories just so I can put my mind to rest and so I can speak with a
little more authority next time I see my consultant.

I really don't want to lose my smile.

Thanks for any responses

sinny



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:48:20 GMT
 Need some advice: Salivary duct stone

Hi Sinny,

See my comments in the text.

Quote:

> Hi,

> I have recently been diagnosed with a sialolith located in my
> submandibular gland. Apparently mine is rather unusual as it is about
> 10-12mm in diameter. However it is causing me very little discomfort
> (which is probably the reason it got so big in the first place).

> My consultant recommended surgery but the information he has given me
> from my two examinations has left me very confused and frightened.

> I am left with the impression that if I submit to surgery (this would
> not be the more dramatic removal of the gland but an incision in the
> mouth above the gland to try to "milk" the stone out) there is a
> fairly high chance that the nerve controlling the muscles on that side
> of my face could get damaged and leave me with a sagging mouth.

> What I would like to know is this:

> 1)      What exactly *is* the chance of nerve damage occurring during this
> type of operation?

The chance of damaging that nerve you mention is very slim from an intra-{*filter*}
incision. An extra{*filter*}incision to remove the submandibular gland is another
story. The nerve that can possibly be damaged is the lingual nerve that
supplies tactile, hot, cold etc to that side of your tongue. The taste
sensations arrise from a different nerve but these do piggy-back the lingual
nerve for a short distance before going into the tongue. These are the nerves
that possibly could be injured, not the motor nerve to your face.

Quote:
> 2)      Should I consent to this operation anyway considering the stone
> gives me hardly any discomfort whatsoever?

Irreversible changes will take place in the gland if the blockage remains,
possibly leading to the need to remove the gland. You will also be prone to
infections.

Quote:
> 3)      What are the chances of the stone either enlarging or breaking up
> and being discharged through the duct naturally?

If the stone is as large as you say it is, chances are it isn't going anywhere
without surgery.

DAK

Quote:
> I would really appreciate any advice or details of relevant case
> histories just so I can put my mind to rest and so I can speak with a
> little more authority next time I see my consultant.

> I really don't want to lose my smile.

> Thanks for any responses

> sinny

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Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:27:25 GMT
 Need some advice: Salivary duct stone
Thankyou Dave, your reply has been very reassuring.



Quote:
>Hi Sinny,

>See my comments in the text.


>> Hi,

>> I have recently been diagnosed with a sialolith located in my
>> submandibular gland. Apparently mine is rather unusual as it is about
>> 10-12mm in diameter. However it is causing me very little discomfort
>> (which is probably the reason it got so big in the first place).

>> My consultant recommended surgery but the information he has given me
>> from my two examinations has left me very confused and frightened.

>> I am left with the impression that if I submit to surgery (this would
>> not be the more dramatic removal of the gland but an incision in the
>> mouth above the gland to try to "milk" the stone out) there is a
>> fairly high chance that the nerve controlling the muscles on that side
>> of my face could get damaged and leave me with a sagging mouth.

>> What I would like to know is this:

>> 1)      What exactly *is* the chance of nerve damage occurring during this
>> type of operation?

>The chance of damaging that nerve you mention is very slim from an intra-{*filter*}
>incision. An extra{*filter*}incision to remove the submandibular gland is another
>story. The nerve that can possibly be damaged is the lingual nerve that
>supplies tactile, hot, cold etc to that side of your tongue. The taste
>sensations arrise from a different nerve but these do piggy-back the lingual
>nerve for a short distance before going into the tongue. These are the nerves
>that possibly could be injured, not the motor nerve to your face.

>> 2)      Should I consent to this operation anyway considering the stone
>> gives me hardly any discomfort whatsoever?

>Irreversible changes will take place in the gland if the blockage remains,
>possibly leading to the need to remove the gland. You will also be prone to
>infections.

>> 3)      What are the chances of the stone either enlarging or breaking up
>> and being discharged through the duct naturally?

>If the stone is as large as you say it is, chances are it isn't going anywhere
>without surgery.

>DAK

>> I would really appreciate any advice or details of relevant case
>> histories just so I can put my mind to rest and so I can speak with a
>> little more authority next time I see my consultant.

>> I really don't want to lose my smile.

>> Thanks for any responses

>> sinny

sinny


Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:21:34 GMT
 Need some advice: Salivary duct stone
If the stone were smaller, would there be anything the patient could do
to promote it's discharge? Or is this one of those situations that will
only get worse once it gets started? (Just curious.)
Mandi
Quote:

> Hi Sinny,

> See my comments in the text.


> > Hi,

> > I have recently been diagnosed with a sialolith located in my
> > submandibular gland. Apparently mine is rather unusual as it is
> > about
> > 10-12mm in diameter. However it is causing me very little discomfort

> > (which is probably the reason it got so big in the first place).

> > My consultant recommended surgery but the information he has given
> > me
> > from my two examinations has left me very confused and frightened.

> > I am left with the impression that if I submit to surgery (this
> > would
> > not be the more dramatic removal of the gland but an incision in the

> > mouth above the gland to try to "milk" the stone out) there is a
> > fairly high chance that the nerve controlling the muscles on that
> > side
> > of my face could get damaged and leave me with a sagging mouth.

> > What I would like to know is this:

> > 1)      What exactly *is* the chance of nerve damage occurring
> > during this
> > type of operation?

> The chance of damaging that nerve you mention is very slim from an
> intra-{*filter*}incision. An extra{*filter*}incision to remove the submandibular
> gland is another story. The nerve that can possibly be damaged is the
> lingual nerve that supplies tactile, hot, cold etc to that side of
> your tongue. The taste sensations arrise from a different nerve but
> these do piggy-back the lingual nerve for a short distance before
> going into the tongue. These are the nerves that possibly could be
> injured, not the motor nerve to your face.

> > 2)      Should I consent to this operation anyway considering the
> > stone
> > gives me hardly any discomfort whatsoever?

> Irreversible changes will take place in the gland if the blockage
> remains, possibly leading to the need to remove the gland. You will
> also be prone to infections.

> > 3)      What are the chances of the stone either enlarging or
> > breaking up
> > and being discharged through the duct naturally?

> If the stone is as large as you say it is, chances are it isn't going
> anywhere without surgery.

> DAK

> > I would really appreciate any advice or details of relevant case
> > histories just so I can put my mind to rest and so I can speak with
> > a
> > little more authority next time I see my consultant.

> > I really don't want to lose my smile.

> > Thanks for any responses

> > sinny



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:09:38 GMT
 Need some advice: Salivary duct stone
I wonder if they could not use ultra sonic or techniques similar to those
used to break up kidney and gall stones into smaller pieces?
Roy


Quote:
> If the stone were smaller, would there be anything the patient could do
> to promote it's discharge? Or is this one of those situations that will
> only get worse once it gets started? (Just curious.)
> Mandi



Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:23:17 GMT
 
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