Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth 
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 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

I have a long crown that covers 3 teeth, #3, 4 and 5. Tooth 1 and 2
have been extracted. 3 and 4 are root canaled, 5 is not. My question
is: If #3 needs to be extracted, does the long crown (don't know the
technical name for this) have to come off all 3 teeth or can they
drill off the part around tooth #3 and somehow seal in and preserve
the remaining part of the long crown piece? It seems like it would be
all jagged. I am asking this question because #3 is sometimes a little
sore when I put my tongue on the outside of it. Then it's fine for a
week, it's on and off. This has been the case for years and the x-ray
shows nothing wrong with the root canals...but I worry about this
soreness. I do have painful sinuses so am hoping that the soreness is
from that or clenching because often all 3 teeth under that crown are
sore.


Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:40:11 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:
> I have a long crown that covers 3 teeth, #3, 4 and 5. Tooth 1 and 2
> have been extracted. 3 and 4 are root canaled, 5 is not. My question
> is: If #3 needs to be extracted, does the long crown (don't know the
> technical name for this) have to come off all 3 teeth or can they
> drill off the part around tooth #3 and somehow seal in and preserve
> the remaining part of the long crown piece? It seems like it would be
> all jagged. I am asking this question because #3 is sometimes a little
> sore when I put my tongue on the outside of it. Then it's fine for a
> week, it's on and off. This has been the case for years and the x-ray
> shows nothing wrong with the root canals...but I worry about this
> soreness. I do have painful sinuses so am hoping that the soreness is
> from that or clenching because often all 3 teeth under that crown are
> sore.

What you're describing is a bridge.  The rest I will let the Drs here
discuss.


Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:32:32 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:
> I have a long crown that covers 3 teeth, #3, 4 and 5. Tooth 1 and 2
> have been extracted. 3 and 4 are root canaled, 5 is not. My question
> is: If #3 needs to be extracted, does the long crown (don't know the
> technical name for this) have to come off all 3 teeth or can they
> drill off the part around tooth #3 and somehow seal in and preserve
> the remaining part of the long crown piece? It seems like it would be
> all jagged. I am asking this question because #3 is sometimes a little
> sore when I put my tongue on the outside of it. Then it's fine for a
> week, it's on and off. This has been the case for years and the x-ray
> shows nothing wrong with the root canals...but I worry about this
> soreness. I do have painful sinuses so am hoping that the soreness is
> from that or clenching because often all 3 teeth under that crown are
> sore.

Hi goldbanjo!

        I'm assuming your "long crown" is actually 3 crowns--on the 3 upper
right teeth--splinted together.
        If #3 needs to come out you can usually (with care) section the
splinted crowns by cutting between the crowns on teeth #3 and 4.  Any
jagged surfaces by the cut can be smoothed and polished in the mouth.
If these are porcelain fused to metal crowns, care must be taken not to
fracture the porcelain on the crowns of the teeth being retained.
        Obviously I can't tell you that #3 is OK, but you're getting a bit out
in front of this, aren't you?

Best,
Steve



Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:00:59 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth


Quote:

> > I have a long crown that covers 3 teeth, #3, 4 and 5. Tooth 1 and 2
> > have been extracted. 3 and 4 are root canaled, 5 is not. My question
> > is: If #3 needs to be extracted, does the long crown (don't know the
> > technical name for this) have to come off all 3 teeth or can they
> > drill off the part around tooth #3 and somehow seal in and preserve
> > the remaining part of the long crown piece? It seems like it would be
> > all jagged. I am asking this question because #3 is sometimes a little
> > sore when I put my tongue on the outside of it. Then it's fine for a
> > week, it's on and off. This has been the case for years and the x-ray
> > shows nothing wrong with the root canals...but I worry about this
> > soreness. I do have painful sinuses so am hoping that the soreness is
> > from that or clenching because often all 3 teeth under that crown are
> > sore.

> Hi goldbanjo!

> ? ? ? ? I'm assuming your "long crown" is actually 3 crowns--on the 3 upper
> right teeth--splinted together.
> ? ? ? ? If #3 needs to come out you can usually (with care) section the
> splinted crowns by cutting between the crowns on teeth #3 and 4. ?Any
> jagged surfaces by the cut can be smoothed and polished in the mouth.
> If these are porcelain fused to metal crowns, care must be taken not to
> fracture the porcelain on the crowns of the teeth being retained.
> ? ? ? ? Obviously I can't tell you that #3 is OK, but you're getting a bit out
> in front of this, aren't you?

> Best,
> Steve

Hi Steve and thanks so much for the quick reply. It's 3 crowns (looks
like 3 until you look closer) but one piece. It does have porcelain
but there is so much gum recession that cosmetically, nobody can see
it. I wish it could all be removed and evaluated. This was done when I
was in my mid twenties, silver points but the x-rays always show the
same thing so the dentist and {*filter*}surgeon say to leave it alone. When
I had tooth #2 extracted last year, the {*filter*}surgeon wanted to do an
apico on tooth #4 but I told him the x-ray is no different than in
prior years. I went back to the {*filter*}surgeon I know well and he said
no, leave it alone, there's nothing that would warrant an apico.
Sometimes I wonder if something is brewing there but it's been a year
and a half and I think I'd know by now if it were infected. I guess I
am getting a bit out in front of this because every couple of weeks I
have pain when I touch those three teeth. I had this 30 years ago also
and in between. It's just happening too often now. I woke up with it
and now it's subsiding so I feel it's either clenching, muscle pain
referred to the teeth or sinuses. I had a brain MRI to rule out
trigeminal neuralgia or any other things pressing on a nerve. He said
to see an ENT so this morning I made an appointment for next week to
see if my sinuses are at fault. I don't want to extract a tooth for no
reason but this is very frustrating and you get to the point where you
just want your teeth pulled. I do have another question...if it is
clenching, can you wake up with no pain and have the pain start in the
middle of the day? Thanks again.


Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:39:56 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth
Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
tooth 3?

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg



Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:14:17 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:

> Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
> tooth 3?

> http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg

Yes--you can see different areas of the floor of the maxillary sinus
near the roots of teeth #3 and #4.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001



Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:37:04 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:




>>> I have a long crown that covers 3 teeth, #3, 4 and 5. Tooth 1 and 2
>>> have been extracted. 3 and 4 are root canaled, 5 is not. My question
>>> is: If #3 needs to be extracted, does the long crown (don't know the
>>> technical name for this) have to come off all 3 teeth or can they
>>> drill off the part around tooth #3 and somehow seal in and preserve
>>> the remaining part of the long crown piece? It seems like it would be
>>> all jagged. I am asking this question because #3 is sometimes a little
>>> sore when I put my tongue on the outside of it. Then it's fine for a
>>> week, it's on and off. This has been the case for years and the x-ray
>>> shows nothing wrong with the root canals...but I worry about this
>>> soreness. I do have painful sinuses so am hoping that the soreness is
>>> from that or clenching because often all 3 teeth under that crown are
>>> sore.
>> Hi goldbanjo!

>>         I'm assuming your "long crown" is actually 3 crowns--on the 3 upper
>> right teeth--splinted together.
>>         If #3 needs to come out you can usually (with care) section the
>> splinted crowns by cutting between the crowns on teeth #3 and 4.  Any
>> jagged surfaces by the cut can be smoothed and polished in the mouth.
>> If these are porcelain fused to metal crowns, care must be taken not to
>> fracture the porcelain on the crowns of the teeth being retained.
>>         Obviously I can't tell you that #3 is OK, but you're getting a bit out
>> in front of this, aren't you?

>> Best,
>> Steve

> Hi Steve and thanks so much for the quick reply. It's 3 crowns (looks
> like 3 until you look closer) but one piece. It does have porcelain
> but there is so much gum recession that cosmetically, nobody can see
> it. I wish it could all be removed and evaluated. This was done when I
> was in my mid twenties, silver points but the x-rays always show the
> same thing so the dentist and {*filter*}surgeon say to leave it alone. When
> I had tooth #2 extracted last year, the {*filter*}surgeon wanted to do an
> apico on tooth #4 but I told him the x-ray is no different than in
> prior years. I went back to the {*filter*}surgeon I know well and he said
> no, leave it alone, there's nothing that would warrant an apico.
> Sometimes I wonder if something is brewing there but it's been a year
> and a half and I think I'd know by now if it were infected. I guess I
> am getting a bit out in front of this because every couple of weeks I
> have pain when I touch those three teeth. I had this 30 years ago also
> and in between. It's just happening too often now. I woke up with it
> and now it's subsiding so I feel it's either clenching, muscle pain
> referred to the teeth or sinuses. I had a brain MRI to rule out
> trigeminal neuralgia or any other things pressing on a nerve. He said
> to see an ENT so this morning I made an appointment for next week to
> see if my sinuses are at fault. I don't want to extract a tooth for no
> reason but this is very frustrating and you get to the point where you
> just want your teeth pulled. I do have another question...if it is
> clenching, can you wake up with no pain and have the pain start in the
> middle of the day? Thanks again.

        They told us that silver wire endos always fail.  And they do--except
when they don't.
        It doesn't look perfect at the tips of either #3 or 4, but there is no
way to know if this represents infection or apical scar.
        Tooth #3 isn't great periodontally (there isn't a lot of bone around
that distobuccal root) and I find when the furcas (spaces between the
roots) are open like that it is common to get periodontal abscesses.
But if this is checked when you have a flareup it should be obvious what
is going on.
        In answer to your question tenderness to grinding/clenching is most
common when awakening, since most people who clench do this mainly
during sleep.  However, it certainly is possible to feel pain at other
times of the day.
        If the pain has a postural component (ie: if the pain changes depending
on whether you are standing up or lying down) I think more along the
lines of a sinus problem.  You can see how close the roots are to the
sinus.  Sometimes tapping on these teeth will cause pain, and it can be
from either the tooth or the sinus.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.***.com/
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001



Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:42:47 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth
Is the sinus the skinny line that floats around 3 and 4 or the thick U
shaped line above that, that is close the highest pin in tooth 3?
Thanks again.



Quote:

> > Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
> > tooth 3?

> >http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg

> Yes--you can see different areas of the floor of the maxillary sinus
> near the roots of teeth #3 and #4.

> Steve

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001



Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:39:55 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:

> Is the sinus the skinny line that floats around 3 and 4 or the thick U
> shaped line above that, that is close the highest pin in tooth 3?
> Thanks again.

        Both lines represent the floor of the sinus.  Remember that this x-ray
is a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional sinus.  The shape
can be irregular.

Steve

Quote:




>>> Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
>>> tooth 3?
>>> http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg
>> Yes--you can see different areas of the floor of the maxillary sinus
>> near the roots of teeth #3 and #4.

>> Steve

>> --
>> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com
>> Brooklyn, NY
>> 718-258-5001

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001


Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:13:10 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:13:10 -0400, Steven Bornfeld



> >> Is the sinus the skinny line that floats around 3 and 4 or the thick U
> >> shaped line above that, that is close the highest pin in tooth 3?
> >> Thanks again.

> > ? ?Both lines represent the floor of the sinus. ?Remember that this x-ray
> >is a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional sinus. ?The shape
> >can be irregular.

> >Steve

> The thick 'U' shaped structure is the Malar Process.

> Thin irregular line is the inferior (floor)border
> of the Maxillary Sinus.

> But yes, these anatomical structures are contiguous.




> >>>> Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
> >>>> tooth 3?
> >>>>http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg
> >>> Yes--you can see different areas of the floor of the maxillary sinus
> >>> near the roots of teeth #3 and #4.

> >>> Steve

> >>> --
> >>> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com
> >>> Brooklyn, NY
> >>> 718-258-5001

Thanks again Steve and New B. I'm seeing an ENT on Tuesday to have my
sinuses looked at and then I'll see what the next step will be.


Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:31:40 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:

> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:13:10 -0400, Steven Bornfeld


>>> Is the sinus the skinny line that floats around 3 and 4 or the thick U
>>> shaped line above that, that is close the highest pin in tooth 3?
>>> Thanks again.

>>        Both lines represent the floor of the sinus.  Remember that this x-ray
>> is a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional sinus.  The shape
>> can be irregular.

>> Steve

> The thick 'U' shaped structure is the Malar Process.

        I was thinking it might be, but thought it didn't look radio-dense
enough.  Seems like right location though.

Steve

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Thin irregular line is the inferior (floor)border
> of the Maxillary Sinus.

> But yes, these anatomical structures are contiguous.




>>>>> Here is an x-ray from last month. Is that U shaped line my sinus, over
>>>>> tooth 3?
>>>>> http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL813/8869379/16377877/388802625.jpg
>>>> Yes--you can see different areas of the floor of the maxillary sinus
>>>> near the roots of teeth #3 and #4.

>>>> Steve

>>>> --
>>>> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com
>>>> Brooklyn, NY
>>>> 718-258-5001

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001


Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:47:35 GMT
 Extracting a tooth covered by a crown that covers adjacent teeth

Quote:

> Why ?

> You can either have fiber optic scope and/or radiographs.

> A "Watters" veiw, is exceptional for bony sinus structures.

> An MRI shows soft tissues.

> Again, without symptoms, I ask why ?

        She stated she did have symptoms in her original post--tooth #3 area.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001



Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:49:35 GMT
 
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