>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do
>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists
>> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm
>> flattered!!!

>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For
>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.

>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with
>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure
>> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.

>Yep, well said. She nailed you good.

>> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to
>> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you
>> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries
>> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children
>> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury
>> amalgams.

>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are
>> you still reading comic books.

>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in
>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
>>starts
>>quoting the same BS.
>>I never said what you state below I said.  Let me rephrase the question.
>>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body?  NOw that is the
>>question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the government agencies,
>>"CDC,
>>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the
>>truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context.
>>A
>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was
>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about
>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and
>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
>>predjudice.
>>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than
>>actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS,
>>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they
>>state
>>that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more
>>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This doesn't make
>>the
>>air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you are an expert on
>>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality
>>is
>>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and
>>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air.
>>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them
>>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant
>>enough
>>to place a known toxin in someones mouth.  This is a personal decision.  I
>>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my
>>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry.
>>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the
>>newsgroup
>>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most
>>blocked
>>smd user of all time.  I respect your right to state an opinion, I just
>>don't have to read it.
>>Other comments in text:

>He never learns repeating the same old lies, he needs his mercury level
>checked as he acts like a chicken with it's head off.

>Best to ignore him.

> http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/damspr12.html

>The studies found that the amount of mercury excreted in the urine
>was proprotional to the number and size of fillings in the victim's mouth.
>Moreover many {*filter*}habits such as chewing gum, clenching or grinding greatly
>increased the amount of mercury released and absorbed.

>==

>6. Amalgam Fillings Largest Source of Mercury by Far

>Based on a number of studies in Sweden, the World Health Organization review
>of
>inorganic mercury in 1991 determined that mercury absorption is estimated to
>be
>approximately four times higher from amalgam fillings than from fish
>consumption. Recent studies have confirmed this estimate and shown that the
>amount absorbed can vary considerably from person to person.

>7. Gold Crowns, Gum, Bruxism, Computer Monitors Increase Release of Mercury
>Significantly

>Gum chewing, bruxism (grinding of teeth), computer terminal exposure,
>presence
>of gold fillings or gold crowns (even if covering mercury fillings), teeth
>brushing, braces and even chewing cooking.net">food cause the release of significantly
>increased amounts of mercury from the fillings in one's teeth.

>8. Cumulative Poison Builds Up in Organs

>Mercury released from fillings builds up in the brain, kidneys, liver,
>pituitary, adrenals and other parts of the body.

>========

>According to the World Health Organization the general sources of mercury in
>the body are: Breathed Air (.040 micrograms), Fish (2.34 micrograms),
>Non-fish
>food (.25 micrograms), Drinking-water .0035 micrograms), mercury vapor from
>dental amalgams (3 to 17 micrograms).

>*****The mercury vapor from dental amalgam
>alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.*******

>Time for a repost from Joel's peers to show how dishonest he is.

>==

>From Hans a dentist frrom Sweden:

>I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the
>PHS report as
>proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
>People who rely
>on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better.

>Hi Judge Joel,

>You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a
>long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch-
>processes in a former life, or what?

>Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally
>spreading blatant lies.

>Hans
>=====
>Dear Dr. Eichen,

>>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do
>>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists
>>> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm
>>> flattered!!!

>>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For
>>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.

>>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with
>>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure
>>> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.

>>Yep, well said. She nailed you good.

>>> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to
>>> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you
>>> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries
>>> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children
>>> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury
>>> amalgams.
>Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG,
>>> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/indexa.html,
>>> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest
>>> rate of suicide professionaly in this country.

>>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are
>>> you still reading comic books.

>===

>To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make
>a complete fool out of himself,

>Wrong again !  Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" !

>If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only
>conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again !

>Cheers,
>Hans

>>The readers will decide!

>Indeed !
>The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what
>you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able
>to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings,
>to support what you claim I said.  And I'm still waiting!

>Hans

>>At least we settled ...

>I've been settling fine all along.  I am waiting for you to prove
>that your allegations are right.  Or to watch you trying to
>wiggle your way of this.  So Joel, which one will it be?

>>Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers

>Hans replied:
>>Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not
>>one single word!  Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" !

>Still waiting ....

>Hans

>>Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . .

>That was a nice attempt to wiggle.  What's next?

>Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right.

>Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself.

>Which one is next?  Smoke or standard smokescreen?

>Hans

>Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge
>smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to
>pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is

>>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in
>>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
>>>starts
>>>quoting the same BS.
>>>I never said what you state below I said.  Let me rephrase the question.
>>>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body?  NOw that is the
>>>question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the government agencies,
>>>"CDC,
>>>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the
>>>truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context.
>>>A
>>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was
>>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about
>>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and
>>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
>>>predjudice.
>>>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than
>>>actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS,
>>>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they
>>>state
>>>that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more
>>>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This doesn't make
>>>the
>>>air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you are an expert on
>>>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality
>>>is
>>>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and
>>>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air.
>>>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them
>>>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant
>>>enough
>>>to place a known toxin in someones mouth.  This is a personal decision.  I
>>>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my
>>>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry.
>>>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the
>>>newsgroup
>>>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most
>>>blocked
>>>smd user of all time.  I respect your right to state an opinion, I just
>>>don't have to read it.
>>>Other comments in text:
>Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile

>Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time

>See Joel???

>Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested
>in has driven more people off this forum.  Before long. it will be just the
>Eichen cross posting news.

>LL

> She never learns repeating the same old lies, she needs her mercury level
> checked as she acts like a chicken with it's head off.

> Best to ignore her.

> He never learns repeating the same old lies, he needs his mercury level
> checked as he acts like a chicken with it's head off.

> Best to ignore him.

> http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/damspr12.html

> The studies found that the amount of mercury excreted in the urine
> was proprotional to the number and size of fillings in the victim's mouth.
> Moreover many {*filter*}habits such as chewing gum, clenching or grinding
> greatly
> increased the amount of mercury released and absorbed.

> ==

> 6. Amalgam Fillings Largest Source of Mercury by Far

> Based on a number of studies in Sweden, the World Health Organization
> review of
> inorganic mercury in 1991 determined that mercury absorption is estimated
> to be
> approximately four times higher from amalgam fillings than from fish
> consumption. Recent studies have confirmed this estimate and shown that
> the
> amount absorbed can vary considerably from person to person.

> 7. Gold Crowns, Gum, Bruxism, Computer Monitors Increase Release of
> Mercury
> Significantly

> Gum chewing, bruxism (grinding of teeth), computer terminal exposure,
> presence
> of gold fillings or gold crowns (even if covering mercury fillings), teeth
> brushing, braces and even chewing cooking.net">food cause the release of significantly
> increased amounts of mercury from the fillings in one's teeth.

> 8. Cumulative Poison Builds Up in Organs

> Mercury released from fillings builds up in the brain, kidneys, liver,
> pituitary, adrenals and other parts of the body.

> ========

> According to the World Health Organization the general sources of mercury
> in
> the body are: Breathed Air (.040 micrograms), Fish (2.34 micrograms),
> Non-fish
> cooking.net">food (.25 micrograms), Drinking-water .0035 micrograms), mercury vapor
> from
> dental amalgams (3 to 17 micrograms).

> *****The mercury vapor from dental amalgam
> alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.*******

> Time for a repost from Joel's peers to show how dishonest he is.

> ==

> From Hans a dentist frrom Sweden:

> I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise
> the
> PHS report as
> proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
> People who rely
> on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better.

> Hi Judge Joel,

> You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a
> long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch-
> processes in a former life, or what?

> Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally
> spreading blatant lies.

> Hans
> =====
> Dear Dr. Eichen,

>>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do
>>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists
>>> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm
>>> flattered!!!

>>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For
>>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.

>>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with
>>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure
>>> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.

>>Yep, well said. She nailed you good.

>>> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to
>>> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you
>>> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries
>>> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children
>>> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury
>>> amalgams.
> Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG,
>>> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/indexa.html,
>>> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest
>>> rate of suicide professionaly in this country.

>>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are
>>> you still reading comic books.

> ===

> To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make
> a complete fool out of himself,

> Wrong again !  Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" !

> If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only
> conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again !

> Cheers,
> Hans

>>The readers will decide!

> Indeed !
> The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what
> you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able
> to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings,
> to support what you claim I said.  And I'm still waiting!

> Hans

>>At least we settled ...

> I've been settling fine all along.  I am waiting for you to prove
> that your allegations are right.  Or to watch you trying to
> wiggle your way of this.  So Joel, which one will it be?

>>Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers

> Hans replied:
>>Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not
>>one single word!  Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" !

> Still waiting ....

> Hans

>>Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . .

> That was a nice attempt to wiggle.  What's next?

> Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right.

> Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself.

> Which one is next?  Smoke or standard smokescreen?

> Hans

> Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge
> smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to
> pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is

>>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in
>>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
>>>starts
>>>quoting the same BS.
>>>I never said what you state below I said.  Let me rephrase the question.
>>>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body?  NOw that is the
>>>question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the government agencies,
>>>"CDC,
>>>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the
>>>truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context.
>>>A
>>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was
>>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about
>>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he taught
>>>and
>>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
>>>predjudice.
>>>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than
>>>actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS,
>>>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they
>>>state
>>>that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more
>>>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This doesn't make
>>>the
>>>air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you are an expert on
>>>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality
>>>is
>>>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and
>>>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the
>>>air.
>>>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them
>>>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant
>>>enough
>>>to place a known toxin in someones mouth.  This is a personal decision.
>>>I
>>>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my
>>>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry.
>>>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the
>>>newsgroup
>>>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most
>>>blocked
>>>smd user of all time.  I respect your right to state an opinion, I just
>>>don't have to read it.
>>>Other comments in text:
> Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile

> Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time

> See Joel???

> Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is
> interested
> in has driven more people off this forum.  Before long. it will be just
> the
> Eichen cross posting news.

> LL

>> Best to ignore him.

> --
> John Chewter
> <advertising snipped>


>> Joel Eichen Is a known LIAR.

>> He never learns repeating the same old lies, he needs his mercury level
>> checked as he acts like a chicken with it's head off.

>> Best to ignore him.

>> http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/damspr12.html

>> The studies found that the amount of mercury excreted in the urine
>> was proprotional to the number and size of fillings in the victim's
>> mouth.
>> Moreover many {*filter*}habits such as chewing gum, clenching or grinding
>> greatly
>> increased the amount of mercury released and absorbed.

>> ==

>> 6. Amalgam Fillings Largest Source of Mercury by Far

>> Based on a number of studies in Sweden, the World Health Organization
>> review of
>> inorganic mercury in 1991 determined that mercury absorption is estimated
>> to be
>> approximately four times higher from amalgam fillings than from fish
>> consumption. Recent studies have confirmed this estimate and shown that
>> the
>> amount absorbed can vary considerably from person to person.

>> 7. Gold Crowns, Gum, Bruxism, Computer Monitors Increase Release of
>> Mercury
>> Significantly

>> Gum chewing, bruxism (grinding of teeth), computer terminal exposure,
>> presence
>> of gold fillings or gold crowns (even if covering mercury fillings),
>> teeth
>> brushing, braces and even chewing cooking.net">food cause the release of significantly
>> increased amounts of mercury from the fillings in one's teeth.

>> 8. Cumulative Poison Builds Up in Organs

>> Mercury released from fillings builds up in the brain, kidneys, liver,
>> pituitary, adrenals and other parts of the body.

>> ========

>> According to the World Health Organization the general sources of mercury
>> in
>> the body are: Breathed Air (.040 micrograms), Fish (2.34 micrograms),
>> Non-fish
>> cooking.net">food (.25 micrograms), Drinking-water .0035 micrograms), mercury vapor
>> from
>> dental amalgams (3 to 17 micrograms).

>> *****The mercury vapor from dental amalgam
>> alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.*******

>> Time for a repost from Joel's peers to show how dishonest he is.

>> ==

>> From Hans a dentist frrom Sweden:

>> I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise
>> the
>> PHS report as
>> proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the
>> facts.
>> People who rely
>> on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better.

>> Hi Judge Joel,

>> You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a
>> long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch-
>> processes in a former life, or what?

>> Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally
>> spreading blatant lies.

>> Hans
>> =====
>> Dear Dr. Eichen,

>>>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do
>>>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists
>>>> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm
>>>> flattered!!!

>>>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For
>>>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>>>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.

>>>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with
>>>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>>>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure
>>>> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.

>>>Yep, well said. She nailed you good.

>>>> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to
>>>> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you
>>>> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries
>>>> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children
>>>> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury
>>>> amalgams.
>> Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG,
>>>> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/indexa.html,
>>>> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest
>>>> rate of suicide professionaly in this country.

>>>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are
>>>> you still reading comic books.

>> ===

>> To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make
>> a complete fool out of himself,

>> Wrong again !  Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" !

>> If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only
>> conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again !

>> Cheers,
>> Hans

>>>The readers will decide!

>> Indeed !
>> The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what
>> you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able
>> to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings,
>> to support what you claim I said.  And I'm still waiting!

>> Hans

>>>At least we settled ...

>> I've been settling fine all along.  I am waiting for you to prove
>> that your allegations are right.  Or to watch you trying to
>> wiggle your way of this.  So Joel, which one will it be?

>>>Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers

>> Hans replied:
>>>Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not
>>>one single word!  Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" !

>> Still waiting ....

>> Hans

>>>Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . .

>> That was a nice attempt to wiggle.  What's next?

>> Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right.

>> Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself.

>> Which one is next?  Smoke or standard smokescreen?

>> Hans

>> Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge
>> smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to
>> pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is

>>>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style
>>>>in
>>>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
>>>>starts
>>>>quoting the same BS.
>>>>I never said what you state below I said.  Let me rephrase the question.
>>>>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body?  NOw that is the
>>>>question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the government agencies,
>>>>"CDC,
>>>>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely
>>>>the
>>>>truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context.
>>>>A
>>>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was
>>>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did
>>>>about
>>>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he taught
>>>>and
>>>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
>>>>predjudice.
>>>>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than
>>>>actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS,
>>>>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they
>>>>state
>>>>that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more
>>>>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This doesn't make
>>>>the
>>>>air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you are an expert
>>>>on
>>>>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality
>>>>is
>>>>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and
>>>>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the
>>>>air.
>>>>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between
>>>>them
>>>>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant
>>>>enough
>>>>to place a known toxin in someones mouth.  This is a personal decision.
>>>>I
>>>>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my
>>>>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry.
>>>>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the
>>>>newsgroup
>>>>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most
>>>>blocked
>>>>smd user of all time.  I respect your right to state an opinion, I just
>>>>don't have to read it.
>>>>Other comments in text:
>> Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile

>> Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time

>> See Joel???

>> Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is
>> interested
>> in has driven more people off this forum.  Before long. it will be just
>> the
>> Eichen cross posting news.

>> LL

>> >Joel Eichen Is a known LIAR. John encourages and repeats his lies, and
>> >calls it humor. He also make claims he can't back up. When asked to do
>> >so, he insults.

>>> HE never learns repeating the same old lies, he needs her mercury level
>>> checked as he acts like a chicken with it's head off.

>>> Best to ignore him.

>> --
>> John Chewter
>> <advertising snipped>

>I don't think J** has ever seen what her {*filter*}looks like on Google.
>She would be very disappointed.

>;-)
>Fawks

>He never learns repeating the same old lies, he needs his mercury level
>checked as he acts like a chicken with it's head off.

>Best to ignore him.

> http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/damspr12.html

>The studies found that the amount of mercury excreted in the urine
>was proprotional to the number and size of fillings in the victim's mouth.
>Moreover many {*filter*}habits such as chewing gum, clenching or grinding greatly
>increased the amount of mercury released and absorbed.

>==

>6. Amalgam Fillings Largest Source of Mercury by Far

>Based on a number of studies in Sweden, the World Health Organization review
>of
>inorganic mercury in 1991 determined that mercury absorption is estimated to
>be
>approximately four times higher from amalgam fillings than from fish
>consumption. Recent studies have confirmed this estimate and shown that the
>amount absorbed can vary considerably from person to person.

>7. Gold Crowns, Gum, Bruxism, Computer Monitors Increase Release of Mercury
>Significantly

>Gum chewing, bruxism (grinding of teeth), computer terminal exposure,
>presence
>of gold fillings or gold crowns (even if covering mercury fillings), teeth
>brushing, braces and even chewing cooking.net">food cause the release of significantly
>increased amounts of mercury from the fillings in one's teeth.

>8. Cumulative Poison Builds Up in Organs

>Mercury released from fillings builds up in the brain, kidneys, liver,
>pituitary, adrenals and other parts of the body.

>========

>According to the World Health Organization the general sources of mercury in
>the body are: Breathed Air (.040 micrograms), Fish (2.34 micrograms),
>Non-fish
>food (.25 micrograms), Drinking-water .0035 micrograms), mercury vapor from
>dental amalgams (3 to 17 micrograms).

>*****The mercury vapor from dental amalgam
>alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.*******

>Time for a repost from Joel's peers to show how dishonest he is.

>==

>From Hans a dentist frrom Sweden:

>I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the
>PHS report as
>proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
>People who rely
>on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better.

>Hi Judge Joel,

>You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a
>long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch-
>processes in a former life, or what?

>Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally
>spreading blatant lies.

>Hans
>=====
>Dear Dr. Eichen,

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>>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do
>>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists by
>>> doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm
>>> flattered!!!

>>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For
>>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.

>>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with
>>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure to
>>> mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.

>>Yep, well said. She nailed you good.

>>> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to the
>>> public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you read the
>>> most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries who have for
>>> years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children and pregnant
>>> women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury amalgams.

>Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG,

>>> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.***.com/ ~berniew1/indexa.html, and
>>> give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest rate of
>>> suicide professionaly in this country.

>>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are you
>>> still reading comic books.

>===

>To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make
>a complete fool out of himself,

>Wrong again !  Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" !

>If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only
>conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again !

>Cheers,
>Hans

>>The readers will decide!

>Indeed !
>The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what
>you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able
>to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings,
>to support what you claim I said.  And I'm still waiting!

>Hans

>>At least we settled ...

>I've been settling fine all along.  I am waiting for you to prove
>that your allegations are right.  Or to watch you trying to
>wiggle your way of this.  So Joel, which one will it be?

>>Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers

>Hans replied:

>>Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not one single
>>word!  Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" !

>Still waiting ....

>Hans

>>Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . .

>That was a nice attempt to wiggle.  What's next?

>Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right.

>Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself.

>Which one is next?  Smoke or standard smokescreen?

>Hans

>Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge
>smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to
>pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is

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>>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in
>>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
>>>starts quoting the same BS. I never said what you state below I said.  Let
>>>me rephrase the question. Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human
>>>body?  NOw that is the question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the
>>>government agencies, "CDC, USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it
>>>means it is absolutely the truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context. A
>>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was
>>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about
>>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and
>>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
>>>predjudice. Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw
>>>differently than actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason
>>>the CDC, USPHS, being government agencies, will err on the side of caution
>>>before they state that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think
>>>it a lot more harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This
>>>doesn't make the air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you
>>>are an expert on the air in Southern California and will state that since
>>>the air quality is in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert
>>>(limit activities and stay inside as much as possible) that there is
>>>nothing wrong with the air. I choose to not do amalgams because I believe
>>>the difference between them and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl
>>>table) are not significant enough to place a known toxin in someones
>>>mouth.  This is a personal decision.  I also do a lot of gold work and,
>>>probably unlike you Joel, I trust my patients and they pay me $50 a month
>>>and we do good dentistry. I am blocking you from my personal e-mail
>>>access, but will let the newsgroup stay open for a while so you can prove
>>>why you are probably the most blocked smd user of all time.  I respect
>>>your right to state an opinion, I just don't have to read it. Other
>>>comments in text:

>Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile

>Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time

>See Joel???

>Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested
>in has driven more people off this forum.  Before long. it will be just the
>Eichen cross posting news.

>LL