HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding 
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 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding

I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from a
nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time the
bleeding had stopped.

Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It wasn't
gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of {*filter*}
when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
is activated when she lays down.

What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and no
doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting her
2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

Kathy



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:43:43 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
Hi Kathy,
Are you carefully cleaning around her crowns and all of her teeth with a
small toothbrush or wet wash cloth?  She may have gum inflammation due to
dental plaque.
Pat Buss RDH


Quote:
> I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

> My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
> silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
> later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from
a
> nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
> Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
> she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time
the
> bleeding had stopped.

> Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It
wasn't
> gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
> like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of
{*filter*}
> when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
> is activated when she lays down.

> What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and
no
> doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting
her
> 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

> Kathy



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:41:27 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding

Quote:


>> I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

>> My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
>> silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
>> later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from
>a
>> nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
>> Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
>> she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time
>the
>> bleeding had stopped.

>> Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It
>wasn't
>> gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
>> like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of
>{*filter*}
>> when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
>> is activated when she lays down.

>> What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and
>no
>> doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting
>her
>> 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

>> Kathy

You mean to tell me that a dentist put metal crowns in a 2 year old's mouth???
And you let him??

Mercy this is unreal!

Please do some research and do NOT ever  allow anyone to put this toxic
material in a child's mouth!

Jan



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:24:32 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
please stop, Jan.  The crown is stainless steel.  Absolutely no mercury.  Honest.

Steve

Quote:



> >> I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

> >> My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
> >> silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
> >> later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from
> >a
> >> nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
> >> Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
> >> she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time
> >the
> >> bleeding had stopped.

> >> Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It
> >wasn't
> >> gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
> >> like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of
> >{*filter*}
> >> when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
> >> is activated when she lays down.

> >> What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and
> >no
> >> doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting
> >her
> >> 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

> >> Kathy

> You mean to tell me that a dentist put metal crowns in a 2 year old's mouth???
> And you let him??

> Mercy this is unreal!

> Please do some research and do NOT ever  allow anyone to put this toxic
> material in a child's mouth!

> Jan

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.***.com/


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:09:57 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding


Quote:
> I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

> My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
> silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
> later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from a
> nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
> Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
> she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time the
> bleeding had stopped.

> Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It wasn't
> gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
> like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of {*filter*}
> when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
> is activated when she lays down.

> What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and no
> doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting her
> 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

> Kathy

How can a child get decay...? Ithought nowadays kids shouldn't get an with
proper cleaning, progressive quantities of fluoride given to them (via
brushing and also treatment...) The swedes don't have any more decays to
treat i child's dentistry, because they handle the problem early.
Appart from particular patients, the main cause of decays with child is the
bad cooking.net">food balance and the sweets and sugar they are given.

You still {*filter*}feed a kid with teeth.. Wow, that impresses me...

Also why didn't your dentist filled the decay with amalgams instead of
"silver"..?

C{*filter*}te



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:44:59 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
    In my experience, most children who get decay have parents who scrupulously
avoid fluoride, thinking it is a health risk.  Ironic, but true.  Of course,
dietary and hygiene factors figure prominently.
    Before I was a dad, I thought it was a parent's fault if a child ate too many
sweets.  Now I see that even if there is no candy in the house, it is extremely
hard to control what a child eats at school, day care, friends' houses, etc.
    I hope at this late date that most parents know you must not allow your child
to fall asleep with anything but water in the bottle.  Mother's milk isn't safe
either.
    Because baby teeth are so small, only very small cavities can be filled with
amalgam.  Traditionally, larger cavities are restored with stainless steel crowns.

Steve

Quote:



> > I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

> > My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
> > silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5 days
> > later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking from a
> > nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a nap.
> > Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at and
> > she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this time the
> > bleeding had stopped.

> > Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It wasn't
> > gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed looked
> > like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of {*filter*}
> > when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the bleeding
> > is activated when she lays down.

> > What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds and no
> > doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is cutting her
> > 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

> > Kathy

> How can a child get decay...? Ithought nowadays kids shouldn't get an with
> proper cleaning, progressive quantities of fluoride given to them (via
> brushing and also treatment...) The swedes don't have any more decays to
> treat i child's dentistry, because they handle the problem early.
> Appart from particular patients, the main cause of decays with child is the
> bad cooking.net">food balance and the sweets and sugar they are given.

> You still {*filter*}feed a kid with teeth.. Wow, that impresses me...

> Also why didn't your dentist filled the decay with amalgams instead of
> "silver"..?

> C{*filter*}te

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.***.com/


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 04:54:42 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
We haven't banished all decay from children's teeth, it would be great if we
could. Another reason a child could get decay so early is an enamel defect
which would cause the teeth to be more susceptible.  Stainless steel crown
have been used in pediatric cases for many years.  they come preformed and
are less expensive than gold or ceramics..
It's very important for parents to care for the baby teeth.  Not only is it
preventive, but the child is less fearful when they see a dentist if they
are comfortable with mom and Dad checking and cleaning their teeth.
Kathy, please let us know what the dentist said.
Pat Buss RDH


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:19:56 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
The way it was explained to me is that the pattern of decay was consistent
with children who have nighttime access to a bottle or a {*filter*}. My child is
not a bottle drinker, but, slept with me and nursed at night. I have 2 older
children who nursed well into their 3's (at night also) and have never had a
cavity (ages 8 and 6). Since I found out about the decay in the molars, I
have since weaned my daughter at night.

Today's visit at both dentist and doctor was interesting. The dentist looked
at the gums and surrounding tissues and said they looked great. She further
indicated that she has never seen or heard of anything like this before. She
is a pediatric dentist and I do feel comfortable with what she said. I also
took my daughter to the pediatrician. She looked at all vital signs and she
said that she was the picture of health. She thinks that Sophia is perhaps
grinding her teeth at night and maybe cutting open the inside of her mouth.
She ruled out bleeding in the throat and bleeding from the
intestines/stomach. She wanted to talk with the dentist to see what she
thought of that assessment. At this time she thinks the recent {*filter*}
procedure is suspect. I am waiting to hear what the ped. says.

Thanks everyone for all your help. Today has been a long day.

Kathy


Quote:
> We haven't banished all decay from children's teeth, it would be great if
we
> could. Another reason a child could get decay so early is an enamel defect
> which would cause the teeth to be more susceptible.  Stainless steel crown
> have been used in pediatric cases for many years.  they come preformed and
> are less expensive than gold or ceramics..
> It's very important for parents to care for the baby teeth.  Not only is
it
> preventive, but the child is less fearful when they see a dentist if they
> are comfortable with mom and Dad checking and cleaning their teeth.
> Kathy, please let us know what the dentist said.
> Pat Buss RDH



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:39:07 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
    The pediatric dentist saw no cuts or ulcers in the mouth to explain the
bleeding?

Steve

Quote:

> The way it was explained to me is that the pattern of decay was consistent
> with children who have nighttime access to a bottle or a {*filter*}. My child is
> not a bottle drinker, but, slept with me and nursed at night. I have 2 older
> children who nursed well into their 3's (at night also) and have never had a
> cavity (ages 8 and 6). Since I found out about the decay in the molars, I
> have since weaned my daughter at night.

> Today's visit at both dentist and doctor was interesting. The dentist looked
> at the gums and surrounding tissues and said they looked great. She further
> indicated that she has never seen or heard of anything like this before. She
> is a pediatric dentist and I do feel comfortable with what she said. I also
> took my daughter to the pediatrician. She looked at all vital signs and she
> said that she was the picture of health. She thinks that Sophia is perhaps
> grinding her teeth at night and maybe cutting open the inside of her mouth.
> She ruled out bleeding in the throat and bleeding from the
> intestines/stomach. She wanted to talk with the dentist to see what she
> thought of that assessment. At this time she thinks the recent {*filter*}
> procedure is suspect. I am waiting to hear what the ped. says.

> Thanks everyone for all your help. Today has been a long day.

> Kathy



> > We haven't banished all decay from children's teeth, it would be great if
> we
> > could. Another reason a child could get decay so early is an enamel defect
> > which would cause the teeth to be more susceptible.  Stainless steel crown
> > have been used in pediatric cases for many years.  they come preformed and
> > are less expensive than gold or ceramics..
> > It's very important for parents to care for the baby teeth.  Not only is
> it
> > preventive, but the child is less fearful when they see a dentist if they
> > are comfortable with mom and Dad checking and cleaning their teeth.
> > Kathy, please let us know what the dentist said.
> > Pat Buss RDH

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.***.com/


Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:59:56 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
Jan,

 From that post regarding the young child with the mild inflammation around
some stainless steel crowns, I find you to be certifiable and fully a
candidate for Electoro-shock-therapy. The only problem is we don't perform
electro-shock-therapy these days. But I still believe you are a candidate
for the outdated procedure:

     "A little dab' ll  do  ya"  (Jack Nicholson)


Quote:


> >> I have an appointment to see the dentist and doctor in 2 hours.

> >> My 2yo daughter had decay in her upper 1yr molars which necessitated 2
> >> silver crowns. The crowns were put on 8 days ago. No problems until 5
days
> >> later and a little {*filter*} was in the corner of her mouth after waking
from
> >a
> >> nap. The next 2 days, more {*filter*} in her mouth when she awoke from a
nap.
> >> Yesterday, I brought her into the dentist to have her mouth looked at
and
> >> she said there were some ulcerations around the crowns, but by this
time
> >the
> >> bleeding had stopped.

> >> Last night there was almost continuous bleeding out of her mouth. It
> >wasn't
> >> gushing, but a steady drip when I checked on her. This a.m. her bed
looked
> >> like a horror scene, {*filter*} spots all over. She threw up quite a bit of
> >{*filter*}
> >> when she awoke, but the {*filter*} has since stopped. Almost as if the
bleeding
> >> is activated when she lays down.

> >> What could be going on here? I should note that she still {*filter*}feeds
and
> >no
> >> doubt the suction could be making the problem worse. She also is
cutting
> >her
> >> 2year molars. Thank you in advance, I am really concerned.

> >> Kathy

> You mean to tell me that a dentist put metal crowns in a 2 year old's
mouth???
> And you let him??

> Mercy this is unreal!

> Please do some research and do NOT ever  allow anyone to put this toxic
> material in a child's mouth!

> Jan



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:34:21 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
On Tuesday, she said gums were somewhat ulcerated. Today, she said the gums
and surrounding tissues looked even better. When the regular ped. looked in
her mouth, she thought that there was a spot near one of the crowns which
looked tender.

Question, I still {*filter*}feed during the day. Could the suction created
during {*filter*}feeding be causing the crown to slice the inside of the mouth
or something? The pediatrician didn't think there was any cause to stop
nursing. I, however, am a little leery about it.

Kathy



Quote:
>     The pediatric dentist saw no cuts or ulcers in the mouth to explain
the
> bleeding?

> Steve


> > The way it was explained to me is that the pattern of decay was
consistent
> > with children who have nighttime access to a bottle or a {*filter*}. My
child is
> > not a bottle drinker, but, slept with me and nursed at night. I have 2
older
> > children who nursed well into their 3's (at night also) and have never
had a
> > cavity (ages 8 and 6). Since I found out about the decay in the molars,
I
> > have since weaned my daughter at night.

> > Today's visit at both dentist and doctor was interesting. The dentist
looked
> > at the gums and surrounding tissues and said they looked great. She
further
> > indicated that she has never seen or heard of anything like this before.
She
> > is a pediatric dentist and I do feel comfortable with what she said. I
also
> > took my daughter to the pediatrician. She looked at all vital signs and
she
> > said that she was the picture of health. She thinks that Sophia is
perhaps
> > grinding her teeth at night and maybe cutting open the inside of her
mouth.
> > She ruled out bleeding in the throat and bleeding from the
> > intestines/stomach. She wanted to talk with the dentist to see what she
> > thought of that assessment. At this time she thinks the recent {*filter*}
> > procedure is suspect. I am waiting to hear what the ped. says.

> > Thanks everyone for all your help. Today has been a long day.

> > Kathy



> > > We haven't banished all decay from children's teeth, it would be great
if
> > we
> > > could. Another reason a child could get decay so early is an enamel
defect
> > > which would cause the teeth to be more susceptible.  Stainless steel
crown
> > > have been used in pediatric cases for many years.  they come preformed
and
> > > are less expensive than gold or ceramics..
> > > It's very important for parents to care for the baby teeth.  Not only
is
> > it
> > > preventive, but the child is less fearful when they see a dentist if
they
> > > are comfortable with mom and Dad checking and cleaning their teeth.
> > > Kathy, please let us know what the dentist said.
> > > Pat Buss RDH

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.***.com/



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:05:05 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding

 I find you to be certifiable and fully a
**candidate for Electoro-shock-therapy. The only problem is we don't perform
**electro-shock-therapy these days.

untrue.
it's making a comeback.

you, however, are not qualified to diagnose who or who is not a candidate,
in my opinion.

only a HealthFraud would dare to do such a thing.

we need more real scientists and open minded doctors and fewer
Quacks/HealthFrauds/Junk$cientists

http://www.eyemag.com/archive.shock.html



Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:17:19 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 HELP please re: My 2 year old, recent crowns and bleeding
Kathy--

Quote:

> On Tuesday, she said gums were somewhat ulcerated. Today, she said the gums
> and surrounding tissues looked even better. When the regular ped. looked in
> her mouth, she thought that there was a spot near one of the crowns which
> looked tender.

> Question, I still {*filter*}feed during the day. Could the suction created
> during {*filter*}feeding be causing the crown to slice the inside of the mouth
> or something? The pediatrician didn't think there was any cause to stop
> nursing. I, however, am a little leery about it.

    Seems really unlikely.  Put your finger in your child's mouth and feel the
crown at the gumline.  You shouldn't feel a sharp edge.  Your child may bite
themselves, but the bite mark would be recognized as such.  If there's a sharp
edge at the gumline, it might be hard to see.  But if it is smooth to your
finger tip, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Good luck!
Steve

Quote:

> Kathy



> >     The pediatric dentist saw no cuts or ulcers in the mouth to explain
> the
> > bleeding?

> > Steve


> > > The way it was explained to me is that the pattern of decay was
> consistent
> > > with children who have nighttime access to a bottle or a {*filter*}. My
> child is
> > > not a bottle drinker, but, slept with me and nursed at night. I have 2
> older
> > > children who nursed well into their 3's (at night also) and have never
> had a
> > > cavity (ages 8 and 6). Since I found out about the decay in the molars,
> I
> > > have since weaned my daughter at night.

> > > Today's visit at both dentist and doctor was interesting. The dentist
> looked
> > > at the gums and surrounding tissues and said they looked great. She
> further
> > > indicated that she has never seen or heard of anything like this before.
> She
> > > is a pediatric dentist and I do feel comfortable with what she said. I
> also
> > > took my daughter to the pediatrician. She looked at all vital signs and
> she
> > > said that she was the picture of health. She thinks that Sophia is
> perhaps
> > > grinding her teeth at night and maybe cutting open the inside of her
> mouth.
> > > She ruled out bleeding in the throat and bleeding from the
> > > intestines/stomach. She wanted to talk with the dentist to see what she
> > > thought of that assessment. At this time she thinks the recent {*filter*}
> > > procedure is suspect. I am waiting to hear what the ped. says.

> > > Thanks everyone for all your help. Today has been a long day.

> > > Kathy



> > > > We haven't banished all decay from children's teeth, it would be great
> if
> > > we
> > > > could. Another reason a child could get decay so early is an enamel
> defect
> > > > which would cause the teeth to be more susceptible.  Stainless steel
> crown
> > > > have been used in pediatric cases for many years.  they come preformed
> and
> > > > are less expensive than gold or ceramics..
> > > > It's very important for parents to care for the baby teeth.  Not only
> is
> > > it
> > > > preventive, but the child is less fearful when they see a dentist if
> they
> > > > are comfortable with mom and Dad checking and cleaning their teeth.
> > > > Kathy, please let us know what the dentist said.
> > > > Pat Buss RDH

> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001
> > http://www.***.com/



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