> Weird, huh?

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> The only donut I would wait for!
> by Dhano923  (Oct 1 '00)
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> Ahh... Krispy Kreme donuts. People who haven't experienced these wonderful
> little things sure are missing out. In fact, I had never even heard of
> Highly Recommended advisor opinion
> Krispy Kreme Means Loosen Your Belt:Tasty, Hot Stuff Here!!!
> by vandyke  (May 5 '00)
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> If a donut place could inspire poetry, that donut place would be Krispy
> Kreme. Surely, some heavenly being decided to put all of what is good about
> ...    Opinion Highly Recommended by an advisor
> Krispy Kreme Donuts Melt In Your Mouth Not Your Hand
> by JENNI1396  (May 4 '00)
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> I used to work at Borics Haircare, and right across the street they built a
> Krispy Kremes. Every Saturday one of us bought donuts for the rest ...
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> Krispy Kreme: When You're Hot, You're Hot
> by CurtisEdmonds  (May 20 '00)
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> Saturday night, a day in the life. Actually, a very good day in the life.
> The day dawned bright and clear after heavy rainstorms the night before. ...
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> Another Pathetic Sheep Following The Herd To Krispy Kreme
> by prfstars  (Aug 28 '00)
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> 9/6 Update- After a few e-mails from Krispy Kremaholics, I was persuaded to
> go back and give the place another try. I went on Saturday night ...
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> Finally, Our Very Own Krispy Kremes
> by mtuairau  (Nov 11 '00)
> Product rating:
> Not more than a month has passed by since Orem, Utah received their very own
> Krispy Kremes doughnut franchise. Although I have written a review on ...
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> Krispy Kreme: It MUST Be The Sugar
> by goldtc  (May 4 '00)
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> I had NEVER heard of a Krispy Kreme until I met my husband. One day we were
> buying donuts at another establishment, and my husband started telling me
> ...    Opinion Highly Recommended by an advisor
> {*filter*}ed to Krispy Kreme!
> by Dunkjam  (Jun 5 '00)
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> I have enjoyed eating Krispy Kreme doughnuts for a long time! I first
> learned about Krispy Kreme when our daughter was in band and we had to earn
> ...    Opinion Highly Recommended by an advisor
> Like an oasis in the desert!
> by johnsar70  (Nov 7 '00)
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> I first heard about Krispy Kreme donuts in a magazine article,I was
> intrigued by the article,because; (1) it was about donuts,and (2) the ...
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> HOT - FRESH - NOW
> by datoken  (May 9 '00)
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> HOT - FRESH - NOW Ahh... Three of my favorite words, now that is. I have to
> admit I'm a new Krispy Kreme fan. I was an avid fan of a local     Opinion
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> We can save the world....
> by sawasdee  (Sep 26 '00)
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> The green sign beckoned my name.. Come. Come to me.. And that is how I found
> myself going through the Krispy Kreme drive through last night. So ...
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> You know you have a probelm...
> by MsHooterville  (May 27 '00)
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> You know you have a problem when you drive over the median of a busy city
> street when you see the "Hot Now" sign flashing at Krispy Kreme. ...
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> Krispy Kreme - A Love Story
> by Mary9  (Oct 11 '00)
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> I had my first Krispy Kreme donut in December 1998 and haven't wanted any
> other brand of donut since. I first heard about Krispy Kreme years ago ...
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> Can't pass a HOT DOUGHNUTS NOW sign!
> by CyndiA  (Jun 26 '00)
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> These are the doughnuts I grew up on, and they are my all time favorite.
> Click on the HOT DOUGHNUTS NOW sign (YES! They do have light up signs to ...
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> Better than sex?
> by sanctus  (May 15 '00)
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> Krispy Kreme doughnuts, served still warm, are indeed, better than sex. Or
> at least better than married sex. I am blessed to live within walking ...
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> Warm, fluffy, heaven ; but not as good as a malasada
> by kfgecko  (May 6 '00)
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> Every time someone would mention Krispy Kreme Doughnuts to me, they would
> say it with wide eyes, a nodding head, and a dreamy look, "ooohhh ...
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> Simply the Best!
> by littledebby  (Sep 7 '00)
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> When my husband and I first got married we lived in a small town near
> Branson, MO. When I would get off work in Branson I would often stop by
> Dunkin' ...    Highly Recommended opinion
> Krispy Kremes Not A Weight Watchers Dream
> by onabreak2  (Jul 1 '00)
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> My son and I got to experience these wonderful doughnuts when we were in
> California. I had read some of the epinions on them and could not wait to
> ...    Highly Recommended opinion
> I just joined the KKK
> by SteveBing  (May 17 '00)
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> That is, the Krispy Kream Klan. What I mean to say is that I just visited
> Krispy Kreme (KK) for the first time, last night. I first heard about KK on
> ...    Highly Recommended opinion
> Warning! I Nearly ODed From Sugar Shock
> by kcfoxy  (May 21 '00)
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> Last October, while visiting my dear one's hometown of Whittier, CA, I was
> perplexed by an extremely long line trailing out the door of a small white
> ...    Highly Recommended opinion
> Yummy!
> by roynyr  (Oct 26 '00)
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> This is the scream I hear whenever I stop by the donut chain Krispy Kreme.
> This place has some of the best donuts anywhere and they are an ...
> Highly Recommended opinion
> Warm love in a box
> by Mynameismir  (May 8 '00)
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> When they first came to our area about a year ago I though so what, Dunkin
> Donuts are just fine. Plus 7-11 has great donuts too. But I was wrong. ...
> Highly Recommended opinion
> Krispy Kremes and me: a love story
> by chiquita  (Aug 26 '00)
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> I was destined to eat Krispy Kremes. And when I say that, I am not merely
> implying that I like to eat Krispy Kremes, or even that I love Krispy ...
> Highly Recommended opinion
> Melt in your mouth
> by DeniseNC  (May 17 '00)
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> When I was around 4 years old (we will not discuss how long ago that was),
> my mom and dad would put me in the back of their car at 2:00 in the ...
> Highly Recommended opinion
> a drive-through line longer than In-n-Out?!?
> by dequebec  (Sep 17 '00)
> Product rating:
> When my brother returned from his year abroad in Scotland, we took him out
> to dinner near a shopping center in Irvine, CA. Driving by the Krispy ...
> Highly Recommended opinion
> These are DOUGHNUTS!
> by mtuairau  (Apr 28 '00)
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> I first heard

>        I don't know how many newsgroups you have been involved in.  But there
>are people in all the ng I've watched that have posters who could charitably
>called overly enthusiastic.
>        This is the only group I regularly post to.  Considering the sheer
>volume of your postings here, the fact that you also practice dentistry, read
>the newspaper, and have a family, I can scarcely believe you have time for
>anything else, let alone other newsgroups.
>        But I regularly watch newsgroups related to my other interests, mostly
>bicycling and guitar.  The most civil groups are not necessarily the ones you'd
>expect.  Perhaps the nastiest posts are on rec.bicycles.racing (not
>unexpectedly--lots of young testosterone).  Even as a dentist, I was not
>initially prepared for the bile I occasionally found here.  And I was certainly
>unprepared for the not-rare nastiness of rec.music.classical.guitar!  (The most
>civil are rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic and rec.bicycles.rides).
>    But I don't think I should have been unprepared for the emotion here.  I'm
>struck by how many patients ask questions here that should be asked of their
>dentist, and wonder, in fact, if they did ask their dentist and didn't believe
>him/her.
>    It doesn't surprise me (having worked in some high-volume offices) that a
>patient could have doubts about what they hear (or don't hear!) from their
>dentist.  Of course, many potential patients never make it in our doors, and we
>may hear from them here.
>    Many patients who post here ask questions I hear in my office every day.
>What I don't hear every day is the very heavy overlay of doubt and even paranoia
>of (it seems to me) a disproportionate number of postings here.
>       I wonder if any of the patients or dental personnel out there could share
>their thoughts about why that might be.  For instance, I can understand why a
>patient might not trust a dentist's pronouncements on the safety of silver
>amalgam, but I can't for the life of me understand what the profession has to
>gain by the promotion of fluoride.
>    Since I live with a wife who places an annoying (to me) faith (I use that
>term advisedly) in alternative therapies, I know there is a tremendous mistrust
>out there of the medical professions.  I share much of this mistrust.  But I
>still don't understand the new crises in confidence in dentistry that seem to be
>arising almost daily (you know--we poison our patients with mercury, fluoride,
>give them cancer with x-rays, infect them with HIV with inadequate sterilization
>procedures, transmit Legionnaire's disease in our water lines,  give them
>hepatitis, cause multiple system failure by doing root canals and retaining
>"dead roots", fleece them with unnecessary treatment, etc, etc.).
>    Where are we going wrong?  Or are there just a handful of noisemakers that
>can be answered at need or ignored?

>Steve

> You wrote (about Joel)
> > Considering the sheer volume of your postings here, the fact that
> >you also practice dentistry, read the newspaper, and have a family,
> >I can scarcely believe you have time for anything else,

> That mystery has been debated off and on since I been here (4 years).
> We haven't solved it yet.

> >I can understand why a patient might not trust a dentist's pronouncements
> >on the safety of silver amalgam, but I can't for the life of me understand
> >what the profession has to gain by the promotion of fluoride.

> Intrigueing issue that has struck my mind too. From the business side
> of dentistry fluoridation is counterproductive.

> >I still don't understand the new crises in confidence in dentistry that seem
> >to be arising almost daily (you know--we poison our patients with mercury ...

> I think the attitude of the profession towards those who are worried over
> something in our profession, is what causes the increasing sense of mis-
> trust. Take Joel M Eichen, he's a good example. I cannot count how many
> he has made suspicious over the amalgam issue. The attitude he present
> is not all that uncommon, and the result is a production of anti-amalgam
> individuals. Many of his comments I have read without answering, I just sit
> back and smile since I know Joel does not realise how counterproductive
> against his own viewpoints his comments sometimes are. People are not
> stupid, they read between the lines.

> The core of this issue is that the dental profession should not dismiss
> issues with an attitude of "We know all".  People, consumers, have
> grown too smart for that. So we really can't, or should, ignore anyone.

> Hans
> ====================================================

> >Joel--

> >        I don't know how many newsgroups you have been involved in.  But there
> >are people in all the ng I've watched that have posters who could charitably
> >called overly enthusiastic.
> >        This is the only group I regularly post to.  Considering the sheer
> >volume of your postings here, the fact that you also practice dentistry, read
> >the newspaper, and have a family, I can scarcely believe you have time for
> >anything else, let alone other newsgroups.
> >        But I regularly watch newsgroups related to my other interests, mostly
> >bicycling and guitar.  The most civil groups are not necessarily the ones you'd
> >expect.  Perhaps the nastiest posts are on rec.bicycles.racing (not
> >unexpectedly--lots of young testosterone).  Even as a dentist, I was not
> >initially prepared for the bile I occasionally found here.  And I was certainly
> >unprepared for the not-rare nastiness of rec.music.classical.guitar!  (The most
> >civil are rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic and rec.bicycles.rides).
> >    But I don't think I should have been unprepared for the emotion here.  I'm
> >struck by how many patients ask questions here that should be asked of their
> >dentist, and wonder, in fact, if they did ask their dentist and didn't believe
> >him/her.
> >    It doesn't surprise me (having worked in some high-volume offices) that a
> >patient could have doubts about what they hear (or don't hear!) from their
> >dentist.  Of course, many potential patients never make it in our doors, and we
> >may hear from them here.
> >    Many patients who post here ask questions I hear in my office every day.
> >What I don't hear every day is the very heavy overlay of doubt and even paranoia
> >of (it seems to me) a disproportionate number of postings here.
> >       I wonder if any of the patients or dental personnel out there could share
> >their thoughts about why that might be.  For instance, I can understand why a
> >patient might not trust a dentist's pronouncements on the safety of silver
> >amalgam, but I can't for the life of me understand what the profession has to
> >gain by the promotion of fluoride.
> >    Since I live with a wife who places an annoying (to me) faith (I use that
> >term advisedly) in alternative therapies, I know there is a tremendous mistrust
> >out there of the medical professions.  I share much of this mistrust.  But I
> >still don't understand the new crises in confidence in dentistry that seem to be
> >arising almost daily (you know--we poison our patients with mercury, fluoride,
> >give them cancer with x-rays, infect them with HIV with inadequate sterilization
> >procedures, transmit Legionnaire's disease in our water lines,  give them
> >hepatitis, cause multiple system failure by doing root canals and retaining
> >"dead roots", fleece them with unnecessary treatment, etc, etc.).
> >    Where are we going wrong?  Or are there just a handful of noisemakers that
> >can be answered at need or ignored?

> >Steve

> Interesting and well put comments on NGs.....Things I've thought about
> myself.  The diversity of character of each NG continues to amaze me as
> well.

> >     But I don't think I should have been unprepared for the emotion here.
> I'm
> > struck by how many patients ask questions here that should be asked of
> their
> > dentist, and wonder, in fact, if they did ask their dentist and didn't
> believe
> > him/her.

> Those who feel strong emotions about any subject are usually those who are
> motivated to put in the effort of writing.  Plus, due to the relative
> anonimity of a NG, it is the perfect vehicle for unleashing those emotions
> that people wouldn't dare to release face to face.  Thus, voila, a
> proliferation of emotional responses!?

> >     Many patients who post here ask questions I hear in my office every
> day.
> > What I don't hear every day is the very heavy overlay of doubt and even
> paranoia
> > of (it seems to me) a disproportionate number of postings here.

> Again see above comments.  Of course, paranoia by its very nature suggests
> the extreme.

> Mira

>         Nothing like vicious psycho classical guitar players snapping
their
> G-strings at each other!  (the mercury and fluoride stuff is getting kinda
old,
> though!)

> Steve

> Hmmm......maybe I should consider subscribing....There ain't nothing
> happening like that on my rec.music makers. bowed strings ng.

> > Mira--

> >         Nothing like vicious psycho classical guitar players snapping
> their
> > G-strings at each other!  (the mercury and fluoride stuff is getting kinda
> old,
> > though!)

> > Steve

> > > Mira--

> > >         Nothing like vicious psycho classical guitar players snapping
> > their
> > > G-strings at each other!  (the mercury and fluoride stuff is getting
kinda
> > old,
> > > though!)

> > > Steve

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.dentaltwins.com

> Funny!

> Real funny. Just as funny as a semi-trailer collision. Don't gawk!

>        Perhaps my post was poorly constructed.  Did you see it as an
>insult?  BTW, there have been some fine Swedish classical guitarists!

>Steve

>> > Not really that much fun.  But then I'm not one of those people
>> > who gawk at traffic accidents.  Still, there are some good people
>> > there--but I don't recall any Swedes.

>> Funny!

>> Real funny. Just as funny as a semi-trailer collision. Don't gawk!

>--
>Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
>Brooklyn, NY
>718-258-5001
>http://www.dentaltwins.com