Ortho Question?????? 
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 Ortho Question??????

Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
Joking.....


Sun, 12 Oct 2003 05:23:27 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
    Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

Steve

Quote:

> Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> Joking.....

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com


Sun, 12 Oct 2003 05:24:58 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
These are patients we see at our office but I could ask my orthodontist
tomarrow...just wanting a few opinions.


Quote:
>     Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

> Steve


> > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > Joking.....

> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
> http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 05:29:31 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
I like to see the retainer stay in place as long as the patient can possibly
stand it..

If the tissues are no longer healthy, that could be an indication to remove
the wire.  But, the patient needs to understand that the teeth could then
shift.
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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will effect
your health.
......................


Quote:
> These are patients we see at our office but I could ask my orthodontist
> tomarrow...just wanting a few opinions.


> >     Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

> > Steve


> > > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual
retaining
> > > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the
braces
> > > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > > Joking.....

> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001
> > http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:36:53 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
    I mean the patient's orthodontist.  He/she may have some idea how stable the
case is likely to be if the bar is removed.
    In the mean time--is it possible to persuade the patient to improve their
{*filter*}hygiene?  Is the tissue hyperplastic?

Steve

Quote:

> These are patients we see at our office but I could ask my orthodontist
> tomarrow...just wanting a few opinions.


> >     Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

> > Steve


> > > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> > > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> > > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > > Joking.....

> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001
> > http://www.***.com/



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:39:10 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
Thank you for the advice Steve!
Quote:

> I like to see the retainer stay in place as long as the patient can possibly
> stand it..

> If the tissues are no longer healthy, that could be an indication to remove
> the wire.  But, the patient needs to understand that the teeth could then
> shift.
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

> +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
> This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
> Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
> the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
> in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will effect
> your health.
> ......................



> > These are patients we see at our office but I could ask my orthodontist
> > tomarrow...just wanting a few opinions.


> > >     Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

> > > Steve


> > > > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > > > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual
> retaining
> > > > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the
> braces
> > > > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > > > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > > > Joking.....

> > > --
> > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > 718-258-5001
> > > http://www.dentaltwins.com



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:15:23 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
Hi Steven! I am laughing because we live in a small area and my orthodontist is most
likely the same guy who did the work on our patients! (he's been around awhile) I
was just wondering in general terms how removal of the wire would affect
things(relapse) We have seen a few cases where the gum tissue is a little inflamed
likely hygiene could be improved! Thanks!
Quote:

>     I mean the patient's orthodontist.  He/she may have some idea how stable the
> case is likely to be if the bar is removed.
>     In the mean time--is it possible to persuade the patient to improve their
> {*filter*}hygiene?  Is the tissue hyperplastic?

> Steve


> > These are patients we see at our office but I could ask my orthodontist
> > tomarrow...just wanting a few opinions.


> > >     Any way to speak to the orthodontist?

> > > Steve


> > > > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > > > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> > > > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> > > > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > > > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > > > Joking.....

> > > --
> > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > > Brooklyn, NY
> > > 718-258-5001
> > > http://www.***.com/



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:20:37 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
Hi Gina,
The retainer is called a Zackerson.  It is meant to be on for life.
Allen

Quote:
> Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> Joking.....



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:31:45 GMT
 Ortho Question??????
Thanks Allen!
Quote:

> Hi Gina,
> The retainer is called a Zackerson.  It is meant to be on for life.
> Allen


> > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
> > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
> > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
> > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
> > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
> > Joking.....



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:36:42 GMT
 Ortho Question??????

Quote:
>Thanks Allen!


>> Hi Gina,
>> The retainer is called a Zackerson.  It is meant to be on for life.
>> Allen


>> > Hi guys! For those who don't know me I am an assistant in a general
>> > practice in Canada. I have a question. Should a bonded lingual retaining
>> > wire be left on permanently? What if it has been years since the braces
>> > have come off and the gums are inflamed around the wire? Thanks in
>> > advance for any answers or opinions.....even yours Joel and Jandrew!
>> > Joking.....

I'm going to guess the retainer is called a Zachrisson after Bjorn Zachrisson
of Olso, Norway.  Bjorn is a big believer in long term fixed retention as a way
to prevent relapse.  I'm going to guess that if the tissue is greatly inflammed
due to the retainer, it was not placed in the "style of Zachrisson."

Suggestions for all of you out there

1. perio takes precedence over ortho.  take the retainer off if the original
ortho can't be located
2. the teeth will almost certainly move if unretained.  just as your face
changes with age, the teeth change in response to those {*filter*} changes.  no
case is perfectly stable
3. therefore, the patient should be given the choice of removable retention
(clear see through are easiest and best in a case like this) or no retention
with the patient taking responsibility.
4. if after the tissues have improved, he might be given a choice of going back
to fixed retention if removables are not his or her first choice
5. finally, the movement that occurs long term is at least partially due to
loss of arch length with time.  so you can at least partially treat this type
of arch length loss by using an ultra thin diamond wheel to strip the contacts
from canine to canine as a way to prevent future movement without or in
addition to further retention.  I do this on virtually all of my patients if
they ever choose to have their retainers removed.

Charlie Ruff, DMD
Specialist in Orthodontics
Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics



Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:37:24 GMT
 
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