Education in Canada? 
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 Education in Canada?

Hello!

    Does anybody know how easy it is for a graduate of a Canadian Dental
school  (University of Toronto) to become a dentist in the United States,
assuming they are a US citizen?   The question is really whether it's a huge
hassle to be educated in a foreign country and whether there are
requirements such as the bar exams that lawyers have to go through in each
state they practice in, etc ...

    Any information or pointers would be appreciated.

    mark.



Mon, 06 Oct 2003 03:51:35 GMT
 Education in Canada?

Quote:

> Hello!

>     Does anybody know how easy it is for a graduate of a Canadian Dental
> school  (University of Toronto) to become a dentist in the United States,
> assuming they are a US citizen?   The question is really whether it's a huge
> hassle to be educated in a foreign country and whether there are
> requirements such as the bar exams that lawyers have to go through in each
> state they practice in, etc ...

Hello!
It all depends on which foreign country you were educated in.  If you went to
school in, say, Poland, you would have to repeat your 4 years of dental school.
If, however, you went to school in Canada, it's a little easier, as the
curriculum is pretty much the same as if you had gone to school in the US.  It
all depends on the state or region you want to practice in.  I am in Arizona,
and AZ particpates in the Western Regional Boards for licensure.  Take the
Westerns, pass them, and it qualifies you to apply for licensure in any of the
states that participate.  Other states (California, Nevada) have their own state
exams and own requirements.  Arizona used to have an additional exam called the
Bench Exam, (clinical and written) which you had to take (in addition to the
Western regionals) if you were foreign trained before you could apply for
licensure.  I don't know if they still do, but I am pretty sure we weren't the
only state to have one.  What you need to do is contact the state board of
dental examiners in the state you are thinking about practicing in and finding
out from them what their requirements are.
Good luck

Louis



Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:00 GMT
 Education in Canada?
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry

Subject: Re: Education in Canada?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:43:00 -0700

Quote:

> Hello!

>     Does anybody know how easy it is for a graduate of a Canadian Dental
> school  (University of Toronto) to become a dentist in the United States,
> assuming they are a US citizen?   The question is really whether it's a
huge
> hassle to be educated in a foreign country and whether there are
> requirements such as the bar exams that lawyers have to go through in each
> state they practice in, etc ...

Hello!
It all depends on which foreign country you were educated in.  If you went
to
school in, say, Poland, you would have to repeat your 4 years of dental
school.

REPLY:

Hey Louis!

There is a joke in here somewhere ........ but I think I'll decline anyway
......

Cheers,

Joel

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Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:05:13 GMT
 Education in Canada?

Quote:

> It all depends on which foreign country you were educated in.  If you went
> to
> school in, say, Poland, you would have to repeat your 4 years of dental
> school.

> REPLY:

> Hey Louis!

> There is a joke in here somewhere ........ but I think I'll decline anyway
> .

Yeah, I guess you could make a joke.  I only used Poland as an example because
when I was in school I had three such students as classmates.  They had all been
practicing dentists in Poland, but the state of Eastern european dentistry,
apparently, was not on par with Western standards and all had to go through
dental school again.

Louis



Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:30:49 GMT
 Education in Canada?
It is pretty easy to do... at least from Canada.  People do it all the time.
I know at our school (University of Alberta) almost all students right the
American exam which costs about 100 dollars.  If they study for the Canadian
exam, there is no need to study for the American one.  Canada and U.S. both
have similar (high) standards of dental/medical education.

I would assume that individual states have a test to write after you knew
where you wanted to go.

John


Quote:

> Hello!

>     Does anybody know how easy it is for a graduate of a Canadian Dental
> school  (University of Toronto) to become a dentist in the United States,
> assuming they are a US citizen?   The question is really whether it's a
huge
> hassle to be educated in a foreign country and whether there are
> requirements such as the bar exams that lawyers have to go through in each
> state they practice in, etc ...

>     Any information or pointers would be appreciated.

>     mark.



Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:08:55 GMT
 Education in Canada?

Quote:
>Canada and U.S. both
>have similar (high) standards of dental/medical education.

not for dental technology. there is no requirement for the technicians to have
a formal education, a license or work in a registered lab...in the US.... but
there is in Canada.
elizzy


Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:58:11 GMT
 Education in Canada?
A minor correction elizzy,
In Ontario, you only need the license (R.D.T.)to supervise the work in a
lab. The rules *now* require a formal education to qualify for the R.D.T.
but in the not too distant past all you needed was grade 12 with 4 years
bench experience. There are R.D.T.'s here with no formal Technology
education.

See what I get for sitting on my but. I used to qualify with work experience
alone. Then I went back to school and got formally educated twice in dental.
Been legally doing the clinical and lab for removable for over a decade, but
the way the law is written, I do not qualify for supervising my own lab work
for over a decade. Just another fine example of professional prejudices. Go
figure....

Roy


Quote:
> >Canada and U.S. both
> >have similar (high) standards of dental/medical education.

> not for dental technology. there is no requirement for the technicians to
have
> a formal education, a license or work in a registered lab...in the US....
but
> there is in Canada.
> elizzy



Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:55:55 GMT
 Education in Canada?
There is a reciprocal agreement between the CDA and the ADA regarding
accreditation... All dental schools recognized by the CDA as accredited
in dental education are also recognized by the ADA, and vice versa. All
you have to do then is pass the board exams of wherever you want to go.
Quote:

> Hello!

>     Does anybody know how easy it is for a graduate of a Canadian Dental
> school  (University of Toronto) to become a dentist in the United States,
> assuming they are a US citizen?   The question is really whether it's a huge
> hassle to be educated in a foreign country and whether there are
> requirements such as the bar exams that lawyers have to go through in each
> state they practice in, etc ...

>     Any information or pointers would be appreciated.

>     mark.



Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:33:27 GMT
 Education in Canada?
Roy, all lab work should be supervised by an educated tech. Was there any
grandfathering ?
elizzy


Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:48:11 GMT
 Education in Canada?
Yes elizzy,
There was.
 I will probably be corrected but the first laws requiring registration
(locally) were circa 1946. My understanding is that initially some form of
formal training was started in the "Royal College of Dental Surgeons", which
is now the Faculty of Dentistry at University of Toronto. This training took
place during W.W.II. Some component remained post war with the first
"certificate" program being set up outside some where around 1964. The 70's
brought the first diploma program. In the early 70's the cornerstones were
laid for reform of the laws regarding health care in Ontario with the final
phases of "self regulation" reaching adolescence right now. There is some
maturing yet to go, I think a few legal battles will happen and economics
will definitely take some part in it all.

Some of the Individuals that are currently licenced had no formal education,
they received practical work experience augmented by on the job training. I
do not believe that any true "grandfathering" actually occurred, I think
that when the original laws were created the process for registration (
licensing) required that proficiency be demonstrated through a practical
"exam".

You have to remember Elizzy, that in the grand scheme of things Dentistry is
a young profession. The dentists used to do their own lab work, then the
technician evolved from that for 2 reasons; proficiency from specialization
and the resulting economics benefits. Much the same for the hygienists. As a
matter of fact most of health care has followed similar patterns over the
last century or so.

Lief Solberg writes in "Robert E. Rakel's textbook of Family Practice"
(1978):
    Physicians today make up only 1 of 12 workers in health care, compared
with two of three in 1900.
    Throughout history, however, healers have employed apprentices, helpers,
ant the patient's family members. The medicine man (singer) in traditional
Navaho Indian culture makes extensive use of assistants as well as the
patient's family and friends in the ceremonial rituals so important to his
healing practices. Similarly, the American colonial physician often had an
apprentice whose duties included gathering herbs, collecting bills,
delivering medicines, and performing bleeding (not necessarily in that
order).
    Only in the last century has the concept of physician come to mean a
healer with unique power and control over health care. According to medical
sociologist Freidson (1973), most societies have had people with special
healing knowledge. They just have not usually had the power to control and
limit the effort of other health care workers to the degree seen in Western
Medicine in the twentieth century.

Our generation will see many health care professions break free from the
"power and control" of Western Medicine. Dentistry did it, bringing a
portion of that "power and control". Not easy if you check up on the
history, Harvard Medical School did not want to set up a program for
dentistry when it was first approached. Now dentistry has a whole slew of
specializations and along with that there is infighting on maintaining
"power and control". Protection of the public has been always held in the
fore front, but I feel that economic self preservation also plays a large
part. Given another century or so their will be many more subspecialties,
power and control will only play a small role (unless of course you want to
consider the HMO's and Insurance) professional prejudices will be minimized,
the public will still be protected while benefiting from the changes.

Roy
Stepping off the soap box.


Quote:
> Roy, all lab work should be supervised by an educated tech. Was there any
> grandfathering ?
> elizzy



Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:21:18 GMT
 Education in Canada?

Quote:
>The dentists used to do their own lab work,

I like to think that lab tecks dabled in dentistry lol
thanks for an informative post
elizzy


Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:20:24 GMT
 
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