Thrush from Dentist's Office? 
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 Thrush from Dentist's Office?

Is it possible to get Thrush from a Dentist who didn't
clean his equipment properly or something like that?
I wouldn't think so but?

-McDaniel



Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:02:27 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?
It is possible. It is also possible that any dental work you may have had
done altered the normal bacterial ecosystem in your mouth. If so your
pre-existing candidas albicans may have taken an opportunistic increase in
population, allowing for the symptoms of Thrush to occur.

(am I the only one to notice that David McCallum was posting yesterday, and
Hobbs is asking about Thrush today? Surely there must be a Man from
U.N.C.L.E. remake in the works)

--
Roy
DotSeaEh is .ca


| Is it possible to get Thrush from a Dentist who didn't
| clean his equipment properly or something like that?
| I wouldn't think so but?
|
| -McDaniel



Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:24:46 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?


Quote:
> It is possible. It is also possible that any dental work you may have had
> done altered the normal bacterial ecosystem in your mouth. If so your
> pre-existing candidas albicans may have taken an opportunistic increase in
> population, allowing for the symptoms of Thrush to occur.

> (am I the only one to notice that David McCallum was posting yesterday,
and
> Hobbs is asking about Thrush today?

Nope, I did too.  Liked him best in the Great Escape.

Does Molson's have the brewery lit up again this year?  Got a digital
camera?

Where in the hell did  a year go?
\
carabelli



Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:38:48 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?

Quote:

> Is it possible to get Thrush from a Dentist who didn't
> clean his equipment properly or something like that?
> I wouldn't think so but?

> -McDaniel

Candida albicans ......

Well, some people claim it has something to do with amalgam .....there are studies but I am not sure about that ..... perhaps others
can fill us in .....

Joel M. Eichen DDS



Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:36:47 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?
The single most likely reason for this is the increased use of antibiotics, both therapeutically in humans, and as sub-therapeutic
doses in animal feeds.

AND

It has been proposed, for instance, that increased sensitivity to mercury amalgam fillings may develop due to prior damage from
candida toxins.

*********************************

Thrush (Candidiasis, Candida)

Candidiasis is caused by Candida albicans, a member of the yeast family. Under normal conditions it is harmless, but given optimal
conditions it is capable of explosive growth, and can increase itself from 1 to 100 cells in 24 hours. These 100 cells can then
produce 100 each in the next 24 hours, and so on. Apart from the bowel, it also likes the {*filter*} and the skin. It has no helpful
function, and is a pure parasite. The majority of infants will show a positive reaction by the age of 6 months if skin-tested for
candida, showing that their immune system has been challenged to respond by producing immuno-globulins. It has been estimated that
approximately 30 per cent of everybody in the world over 12 years - especially women - is suffering from yeast-related illnesses
because of candida.

Studies have found a strong correlation between {*filter*}l and intestinal cultures of candida, and it is thought that unrestricted
spread of the organism may be the single most important predisposing factor in vulvo-{*filter*}l candidiasis or thrush. It is
interesting that there has been a 2-fold increase in the relative frequency and total incidence of vaginitis since approximately
1970, which corresponds to a decrease in incidence of gonorrhoea and trichomonal vaginitis. The single most likely reason for this
is the increased use of antibiotics, both therapeutically in humans, and as sub-therapeutic doses in animal feeds.

The role of antibiotics

Repeated courses on antibiotics given therapeutically, for instance for acne, cystitis or upper respiratory tract infections,
disrupt the normal competition between separate members of the resident flora of the gut; in other words the normal balance of
organisms in the bowel is upset. Candida is thus allowed to proliferate.

Sub-therapeutic amounts of antibiotics added to animal feeds, to promote rapid enhanced meat production, inevitably lead to acquired
resistance by certain microbes in the gut to the antibiotics used. Increasing resistance of the salmonella population led in the
1960s and 70s to those antibiotics which were routinely used therapeutically being banned in the UK and EEC in animal feed. It was
thought that the practice could lead to cross-resistance, i.e. certain microbes might acquire resistance to more than one
antibiotic. In addition the stimulation of growth of yeasts was also inevitable.

Other predisposing factors

These include: an underlying inherited or acquired immune system deficiency, which may be due to a nutritional deficiency; increased
demands on the immune system to combat environmental pollution; or damage to the immune system e.g., AIDS. Metabolic causes include
diabetes mellitis (due to an increase in {*filter*} sugar), and raised {*filter*}l alkalinity found in pregnancy, especially after multiple
pregnancies. {*filter*} which exert an immuno-suppressive affect such as steroids (including hormone residues in meat), {*filter*}
contraceptives (the Pill), and immuno-suppressive {*filter*} (such as those used to treat cancer) can also contribute to candida. The
progesterone component of the Pill appears to encourage candida growth, which is particularly noticeable in the second half of the
menstrual cycle. Candidiasis can also follow the onset of allergies, and will resolve after the allergy has been treated.

Local predisposing causes include: underwear with non-cotton crotch, nylon tights (which promote the vulvo-{*filter*}l warmth and
moistness on which candida thrives), tight fitting jeans, {*filter*}l deodorants, scented toilet tissues, etc. {*filter*} {*filter*}
without enough lubrication can also predispose to it.

Symptoms

Symptoms spread throughout the body are many and varied, and include recurrent cystitis and recurrent 'thrush vaginitis' ({*filter*}l
soreness and itching with associated curdlike discharge which has a vinegar or yeast-like odour, and possible discomfort on
{*filter*}). It is also associated with vulval itching. There may be {*filter*}thrush, painful irregular periods, pre-menstrual
syndrome, endometriosis, low libido, and infertility. In the abdomen there may be indigestion, nausea, flatulence, bloating,
diarrhoea, constipation or rectal itching. There is often a craving for sugar and refined carbohydrates or {*filter*} and yeasty cooking.net">food
such as bread and cheese. These give a transient pick-up effect and then sudden energy loss (i.e., Hypoglycaemia).

The sufferer may have recurrent sore throat and nasal congestion, dizziness, fatigue, lethargy, blurring of vision and headaches.
Mental effects include irritability, anxiety, depression, feelings or unreality, poor memory and hyperactivity.

There is a resulting wide range of both inhalational and cooking.net">food allergies. The skin complaints include acne, psoriasis, dermatitis,
hives, athlete's foot and brittle, brown, discoloured nails. Aching, numbness and tingling of the muscles or aching pain and
swelling in the joints is also possible. There is often a noticeable worsening of symptoms on damp days or in mouldy damp
environments, i.e., damp earth or cellars. Finally, poor nutrient absorption and assimilation are likely. The above symptoms have
been reported in classical attacks of candida.

In addition the women in our survey reported boils on the buttocks, deterioration of symptoms in the menopause, difficulty in
concentration and in making decisions, swelling of the {*filter*}s, weight gain, bartholinitis, ulcers on the {*filter*}, {*filter*} hair,
cracking of the skin on the {*filter*}, backache, burning pain in the eyes.

Diagnosis

Apart from {*filter*}and {*filter*}l thrush which can be diagnosed from a swab, there is no definitive test for candidiasis. Diagnosis
largely rests on history and symptoms and eventually on the success or otherwise of the treatment. There is, however, a test
available in certain laboratories such as BioLab. In this, the Gut Fermentation Test, the patient fasts overnight and a {*filter*}
{*filter*} level is taken. She is then given a loading dose of sugar (taken by mouth); the {*filter*} level is measured an hour later,
along with short-branch fatty acids. If there has been a rise in {*filter*} level it will be because the sugar has been fermented into
{*filter*} either by a fungus or a bacteria in the gut. By looking at the types of short-branch fatty acids present it is possible to
tell whether the likely organism is bacterial or fungal.

Candida produces its effects by two routes. Firstly, there is a direct route initially by invasion of the gut and the {*filter*};
candida is capable of spreading along the entire length of the gut. The presence of chronic vaginitis can often indicate wide-spread
candidiasis. Secondly, there can be indirect effects caused by spread of toxins through the {*filter*}stream to other sites. In the gut
candida can alter its form from a simple yeast organism to a 'mycelial fungal form', a network of root-like fibres called rhizoids.
These can penetrate and damage the gut lining, allowing foreign cooking.net">food proteins to be absorbed into the {*filter*}stream and to challenge
the immune system so that multiple cooking.net">food allergy may result.

Toxic waste from candida infestations can also be absorbed into the {*filter*}stream, producing a range of symptoms as above; some of the
most disturbing may be those affecting the brain. Yeast toxin hypersensitivity can lead to anxiety, depression and impaired
intellectual functioning. This is often not recognized as a candidal problem, and psychiatric referral is the result, which may be
unsuccessful, and increase feelings of guilt, poor self-esteem and depression. In addition to the toxins produced by the candida
organism itself, it can also affect the brain by way of the toxic substances manufactured from sugar and refined carbohydrates in
the diet. The main substance implicated here is acetaldehyde, which is a normal by-product of metabolism, produced in small amounts
and rendered harmless by the liver. If, however, there is excess production of this by candida and/or a lack of the appropriate
liver enzymes which tend to be deficient in 5 per cent of the general population, the acetaldehyde will become bound strongly to
human tissue. This may cause impaired neuro-transmission in the brain, resulting in anxiety, depression, defective memory and cloudy
thinking.

Effects on the immune system

As an opportunist, candida is dependent on conditions which favour its steady growth. An immune system already undermined by other
factors such as poor nutrition or exposure to environmental pollutants will be unable effectively to deter this relentless growth.
Thus candida will in turn effectively weaken and disturb the immune system so that further damage may occur due to the invasion of
viral agents such as Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, herpes implex and so on. Disturbance of the ongoing process of 'self
recognition' by the immune system is likely to lead further to the possibility of a range of auto-immune diseases.

A note on the immune system

The main components of the immune system are:

1 B-lymphocytes: these produce proteins called immunoglobulins, which bind antigenic substances and render them harmless. An antigen
is a substance which the body recognizes as being alien and therefore potentially harmful. An immunoglobulins is a particular kind
of protein which coats the antigen; by being made harmless the antigens can then be digested by other cells.

2 T-lymphocytes; there are three types:

a The killer cells; these attack and destroy substances with enzymes and hormones.

b The helper cells; these help B cells to make the immunoglobulins.

c The suppressor cells; these protect the body from the excesses of the body's defence system.
...

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Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:58:17 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?
Is Candida an Endocrine Disorder?

Candida is usually thought to result from a weakness of the immune system following antibiotic therapy. This may be true, but it may
not be the whole truth. If it isn't then any treatment based on it is unlikely to be completely successful in all patients. Our data
indicates that whilst the majority of sufferers do recover (occasionally relapsing at a later date) a minority fail to recover at
all. Effective treatment requires satisfactory explanations of underlying causes.

As long ago as the 1980s American physicians noted that their most difficult-to-treat candida patients had endocrine systems that
were not working properly, known as the APICH syndrome. As an unbalanced endocrine system may play a role in all candida overgrowth,
it is important to look carefully at the relationship between candida and the endocrine system. We begin with the usual description
of the causes of candida.

What is candida?

'Candida' is the popular term for an overgrowth of candida - a condition known to medical doctors as 'intestinal candidiasis' when
found in the intestines or 'systemic candidiasis' when found elsewhere in the body. It was first diagnosed by American physicians in
the 1970s.

When we are healthy, candida lives (in its yeast form) in our intestines where it competes with bacteria for room. Like bacteria, it
is aerobic i.e. it needs oxygen to live. When we die, oxygenated {*filter*} stops coursing through our bodies, suffocating the bacteria.
But candida (like all yeast) can survive without oxygen by changing into its fungal, anaerobic form. It spreads rapidly into the
area vacated by the dead bacteria, putting down roots into the walls of the intestines, and sporing through the gut wall into the
rest of the body.

Candida decomposes cell membranes, providing cooking.net">food for other microbes, particularly the maggots which infest corpses. The Egyptians
realised this thousands of years ago. When they wanted to mummify a body they extracted the intestines as soon as possible after dea
th, to stop the body rotting from the inside out, embalming the rest of the body with eucalyptus and other anti-fungal oils to kill
any remaining candida and other microbes.

Sounds revolting, but a diagnosis of 'candida' means that this process has started, whilst we are still alive. It doesn't mean that
you are at death's door. On the contrary candida rarely kills. But its presence in large numbers means that your immune system has
an unremitting battle to keep it under control - a battle which takes a terrible toll on your health.

Common symptoms of candida

The damage to the intestinal wall allows toxins to enter the {*filter*}stream. This condition called 'leaky gut syndrome' often leads to
cooking.net">food allergies, foggy brain, migraines and depression. Symptoms in the intestines include diarrhoea or constipation, bloatedness,
flatulence and itchy{*filter*}. Once through to the rest of the body, the candida can live anywhere there are mucous membranes - it
particularly likes the {*filter*}, lungs and the sinuses, providing cooking.net">food for bacteria and viruses. It has an ability to disrupt the
endocrine system causing symptoms such as weight gain or weight loss, PMS, menstrual irregularities, joint pains, asthma, hayfever,
muscle fatigue and chronic tiredness. Testing usually reveals vitamin, mineral and enzyme deficiencies and low {*filter*} sugar. Thyroid
tests often indicate that the thyroid is functioning normally, but body temperature is inexplicably low.

Some of the most obvious symptoms of candida overgrowth are thrush, cystitis and fungal infections of the nails or skin, such as
athlete's foot. Local medication is not permanently successful. This list of symptoms is illustrative not exhaustive.

Causes of candida - the traditional view

A decade ago books on candida were hard to come by - but now most bookshops stock a good choice. We have a lot more information and
a vast increase in the choice of supplements, as new anti-fungal properties of herbs are discovered and added to supplements. But we
haven't made any progess in understanding why candida has become so prevalent. Authors of recent publications seem to agree that the
number one cause is overuse of broad spectrum antibiotics. Candida then overwhelms the immune system by producing toxins which
repress T-lymphocytes, the main search-and-destroy cells in the immune system.

This is a far simpler account than that given by earlier writers (often practising physicians) who cited a complex mix of
contributory factors. GPs have difficulty accepting this simpler hypothesis. They know that antibiotics cause thrush in susceptible
individuals, which they (wrongly) regard as little more than a temporary nuisance, restricted to the {*filter*}s and mouth. They don't
believe that a microscopic organism (which our bodies have accommodated for thousands of years) can permanently overwhelm a healthy
immune system to do such wide-spread damage.

It seems that we are in danger of talking up one possible hypothesis (disregarding others) and unfortunately our chosen one
alienates the medical profession and provides poor guidance for the very people who need it most: severe cases with complications,
and those who relapse. It is time to take a fresh look at the underlying causes of candida.

Who suffers from candida?

Females! Males do get it - see our last edition for a male member's story, but overwhelmingly it is a female condition. At least 60%
of sufferers are women; 20% are men; and 20% are boys and girls. If candida is caused primarily by antibiotics, why is it
pre{*filter*}ly a female condition? Do women swallow more antibiotics than men? Maybe they do, but anecdotal evidence suggests not -
women avoid {*filter*}antibiotics because they know they will get {*filter*}l thrush if they don't.

Considering the number of male {*filter*}agers who take antibiotics for acne and the children dosed with antibiotics for infections,
shouldn't this ratio of sufferers be more balanced? Perhaps this imbalance can give us a clue about the causes of candida. Some of
our male members think that antibiotics caused their candida, but a significant number think otherwise. They cite:

* handling chemicals e.g. pharmaceutical workers, farmers

* dental mercury amalgam poisoning

* use of recreational {*filter*}

* side-effects of medication, especially corticosteroids

* stress (usually as a contributory factor).

Causes in women?

Mandy Smith (then Bill Wyman's wife) was the first UK public person reported in the press to be suffering from candida, which was
attributed to her continuous use of the contraceptive pill from puberty. In fact, it still seems likely that hormonal pills are the
major factor in women developing candida. The factors are:

* contraceptive pill or HRT including 'natural' progesterone cream

* other corticosteroids (hydrocortisone, beconase, prednisolone etc.)

* hormonal changes e.g. puberty, {*filter*} maturity, pregnancy, sterilisation, menopause including peri- and post-menopause

* broad-spectrum antibiotics

* dental mercury amalgam poisoning

* chemical poisoning in the home or office

* stress (usually as a contributory factor).

Causes in children?

Our evidence is too scanty to offer any definite conclusions, but we note that most of our young members (if not all) have had
antibiotics and/or corticosteroids.

What do these factors have in common?

They all disrupt the body's endocrine system, causing hormonal abnormalities, which can be aggravated by antibiotics, and even by
candida.

What is the endocrine system?

The endocrine system is the regulatory system of the body. Whilst the immune system is our defence system (an army), the endocrine
system is our internal policeforce, preventing local trouble from escalating and keeping everything running smoothly.

How does the endocrine system work?

In simple terms, the endocrine system (part of the hormonal system) has a number of glands e.g. ovaries, testes, adrenals and
thyroid all controlled by the pituitary gland (the master gland) and the hypothalamus in the brain. Under direction from the brain,
each gland releases a chemical messenger (hormone) into the {*filter*} stream, that circulates until it finds its target site - a
receptor specially-shaped for it on various organs. The hormone fits into the receptor and turns it on - like a key opening a lock.
All of our organs (including the brain) have receptors, and the arrival of the hormone messenger governs the activity of the organ,
turning it up or down, on or off.

This is the basic mechanism for how most {*filter*} work in the body, as {*filter*} are made to mimic hormones. Quantities of all circulating
hormones are continuously monitored and adjusted by the brain. It is a complex system because some hormones have more than one
function, and hormones work with or against each one other.

Let's look at how your hormones affect thrush. The endocrine system governs the acid-alkaline balance in the {*filter*}. Normally it is
kept slightly acidic, but if the endocrine system decides to raise the pH level (making it alkaline), the {*filter*}l wall becomes less
hospitable to the bacteria that live there. They die, and the vacated space is filled by an organism that likes an alkaline
environmentl i.e. thrush. This is why to get rid of thrush permanently, you need to return the {*filter*} to its natural acidic state.
Go gently - drastic treatment will certainly banish the thrush, but a sudden vacuum will be quickly filled by an opportunistic
strain of bacteria that will bring as many problems as the thrush. You also need to discover why your endocrine system is altering
the acid-alkaline balance (e.g. are you taking HRT or other corticosteroids?) and let the body get back to the balance that it wants
to maintain for your good health.

Relationship with candida?

Let's return to the factors that members thought might have caused their candida, and look at one way that they might disrupt the
endocrine system (undoubtedly there are others ...

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Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:59:24 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?


Quote:
>In the author's opinion, constitutional homeopathic treatment is the single most
>effective treatment for deep-seated candida but it

BOOM!

There goes.

What a mess.

Who wrote that pile of shit?

Did you know that German homeopaths use dog shit as medicament?

See sig!

Homeopathy destroys children's kidneys.

Read http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_home.htm

Read http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom2.htm

Little child got his fingers cut of by a lawn mower machine.

Did he receive pain killing medicaments?

No!

Read http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm

RR
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Hundekotrecycling     http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hund.htm



Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:27:20 GMT
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Quote:



> >In the author's opinion, constitutional homeopathic treatment is the single most
> >effective treatment for deep-seated candida but it

> BOOM!

> There goes.

> What a mess.

> Who wrote that pile of shit?


REPLY:

National Candida Society

Quote:

> Did you know that German homeopaths use dog shit as medicament?

> See sig!

REPLY:

I wouldn't be surprised. Let's remember that allopathic medicine derives much of its therapy from "Folk medicine." This includes
homeopathic, naturopathic, etc.,

Some is useful.

My fav is the use of bacteriophage (in former USSR) to combat unrelenting bacterial infections .....

Joel M. Eichen DDS



Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:21:46 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?
I thought what you were asking is if thrush can be gotten from dirty
instruments/equipment.  I believe the answer to that is no, and that it is
more of an internal imbalance of  bacteria, kinda like if the grass on your
lawn is killed the weeds start overgrowing.   I've seen it in people who do
inhalers for asthma due to the steriods.
ares



Quote:
> > On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:58:17 -0500, "Joel M. Eichen"


Quote:

> As I understand it the best thing to do if you get what
> seems like thrush (canadia, whatever) is to see an M.D.
> and have {*filter*} drawn for immune system test and a sample
> taken from the infection for culture.  In the worse case
> this stuff is {*filter*} and can lead to internal organ failure
> or respitory problems, etc.  If you have a sore throat or
> breathing problems, itchy butt, etc. then it could be really
> serious.  Otherwise if it's purely limited to the mouth,
> not so urgent but still you have to keep your immune system
> up.

> I read someone on the net claiming that eating yogurt and
> taking garlic pills helps but that might just be quack
> talk so to be sure I'd go the M.D. route.  It might be
> overkill but better safe than sorry, I say.

> -McDaniel



Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:08:10 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?

Quote:

> I thought what you were asking is if thrush can be gotten from dirty
> instruments/equipment.  I believe the answer to that is no, and that it is
> more of an internal imbalance of  bacteria, kinda like if the grass on your
> lawn is killed the weeds start overgrowing.   I've seen it in people who do
> inhalers for asthma due to the steriods.
> ares

I thought it was some kind of bird, but that is barnswallow ......
Quote:





> > > On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:58:17 -0500, "Joel M. Eichen"


> > As I understand it the best thing to do if you get what
> > seems like thrush (canadia, whatever) is to see an M.D.
> > and have {*filter*} drawn for immune system test and a sample
> > taken from the infection for culture.  In the worse case
> > this stuff is {*filter*} and can lead to internal organ failure
> > or respitory problems, etc.  If you have a sore throat or
> > breathing problems, itchy butt, etc. then it could be really
> > serious.  Otherwise if it's purely limited to the mouth,
> > not so urgent but still you have to keep your immune system
> > up.

> > I read someone on the net claiming that eating yogurt and
> > taking garlic pills helps but that might just be quack
> > talk so to be sure I'd go the M.D. route.  It might be
> > overkill but better safe than sorry, I say.

> > -McDaniel



Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:05:31 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?


Quote:
>> Did you know that German homeopaths use dog shit as medicament?
>I wouldn't be surprised. Let's remember that allopathic medicine derives much of
>its therapy from "Folk medicine." This includes homeopathic, naturopathic, etc.,

>Some is useful.

Diluted dog shit???

The dark ages we passed not to end up in them.

Quote:
>My fav is the use of bacteriophage (in former USSR) to combat unrelenting bacterial infections .....

Hompeopaths are too stupid for that.

Homeopaths deny diagnosis.

Homeopaths are mad and sell their madness.

RR
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See why:                         http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rep1.htm
                                 http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ro01.htm
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Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:30:38 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?

Quote:
>As I understand it the best thing to do if you get what
>seems like thrush (canadia, whatever) is to see an M.D.
>and have {*filter*} drawn for immune system test and a sample
>taken from the infection for culture.  

Candida CAN be a problem.

The point here is how sharlatans impress their patients and give them
antifungals like Nystatin without any reason.

Of course the antifungals work.

For some weeks.

Enough time for a neat rip-off.

RR
--
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    Einstein hatte es gut. Der hatte in der Schule noch Physik-Unterricht.



Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:31:27 GMT
 Thrush from Dentist's Office?

Quote:



> >> Did you know that German homeopaths use dog shit as medicament?

> >I wouldn't be surprised. Let's remember that allopathic medicine derives much of
> >its therapy from "Folk medicine." This includes homeopathic, naturopathic, etc.,

> >Some is useful.

> Diluted dog shit???

> The dark ages we passed not to end up in them.

> >My fav is the use of bacteriophage (in former USSR) to combat unrelenting bacterial infections .....

> Hompeopaths are too stupid for that.

Bacteriophage is scientifically valid.


Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:20:01 GMT
 
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