ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery.... 
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 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

If you've had the above named surgery and had problems, please post them or
email me. My fiance according to the quacktors needs this surgery and from all
the reading I've done there is so many things that can go wrong. She was never
told about any complications or options when it was brought up. When she
decided to leave the hospital the doctor actually used scare tactics to try to
make her stay. The die word never came into play until he was losing the
billable hours for  him and the hospital. Thanks to him she is convinced she is
going to die... I find it interesting that the complications I've read about
could only be a lack of skill on the doctors behalf. A nicked bowel or liver to
me can only be caused by incompetence. If they had not been in there to begin
with, it never would have happened. So if the doctor knows what he is doing
then how could this be considered an allowable complication? It's just sloppy
work it's that plain and simple. By searching the newsgroups I've found almost
2 thousand posts complaining about pain, diarrhea, long hospital stays. I've
seen posts from people that has been blown off by their doctor when they
complained about pain or they were told 6 months to a year later that it was
the healing process. I've read that 80 percent of these surgeries are sense
less. It's almost a let's try this and see what happens attitude. This surgery
is the most performed surgery at most hospitals. So if you have a horror story
to share please post or email me.... Thanx


Tue, 26 Apr 2005 06:43:40 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....
: If you've had the above named surgery and had problems, please post them or
: email me. My fiance according to the quacktors needs this surgery and from all

I'll bet she is fat, fair, female and close to 40, eh?

: the reading I've done there is so many things that can go wrong. She was never
: told about any complications or options when it was brought up.

The complications of her not having it done can include, um, going septic,
internal gangrene and death.

: When she
: decided to leave the hospital the doctor actually used scare tactics to try to
: make her stay.

Gee, hemorrhage and peritonitis, etc. etc. scare the heck out of me enough
stay and continue to be supervised by RNs and MDs. Going for major abdominal
is not the same as getting cooking.net">food at a Drive-Thru.

: going to die... I find it interesting that the complications I've read about
: could only be a lack of skill on the doctors behalf. A nicked bowel or liver to
: me can only be caused by incompetence. If they had not been in there to begin

Not really. Never been on an OR team doing this, have you?

Bowel tissue has, oh, about the consistency of saran wrap. Many highly
qualified surgeons could easily do nick a bowel.

: complained about pain or they were told 6 months to a year later that it was
: the healing process.

It can be healing. It can also be a remnant stone in the bile duct.

: I've read that 80 percent of these surgeries are sense
: less.

Then tell her to stop eating (period), so she won't trigger any more
gallbladder attacks. <G>

Is there some reason you think she should stay in this agony with the
attacks?

On your part, this fascination with less than likely complications and
making her abstain from treatment would truly seem to constitute a form of
borderline abuse of your partner.

Hopefully she is a big enough girl to not listen to your opinions and
make her own health decisions.

Emma
=)



Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:20:32 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

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>: If you've had the above named surgery and had problems, please post them or
>: email me. My fiance according to the quacktors needs this surgery and from
> all

>I'll bet she is fat, fair, female and close to 40, eh?

   YOu forgot the BIG "f".. flatulent.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:14:51 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:
>Hopefully she is a big enough girl to not listen to your opinions and
>make her own health decisions.

Emma, think about this....

She's engaged to a guy who posts to sci.med using the email address
DoctorsSuk, lambastes surgeons as incompetent quacks, obviously
doesn't understand half of what he reads, and is looking for "horror
stories" so he can engage in his own "scare tactics" to  dissuade her
from seeking treatment.

What on earth makes you think she's got the sense to make her own
health care decisions if she hasn't already dumped this loser?



Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:20:32 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....
I love flame wars please continue.... Have fun....


Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:14:23 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:
> email me. My fiance according to the quacktors needs this surgery and from
all
> the reading I've done there is so many things that can go wrong.

You haven't described her history, examination findings, investigation
results or diagnosis.  We therefore cannot comment on whether she needs the
surgery except to say that the surgeon probably knows a lot about gall
bladder disease.  Gall bladder disease is common and kills people.

Quote:
> She was never
> told about any complications or options when it was brought up.

If she signed a consent form, it may well have been explained to her.
Patients frequently forget things after they have walked out of the
consultation.  Doctors should always explain as much as the patient wants to
know.

Quote:
> going to die... I find it interesting that the complications I've read
about
> could only be a lack of skill on the doctors behalf. A nicked bowel or
liver to
> me can only be caused by incompetence.

The question of medical negligence is tricky.  There are some complications
that are so common that even the best surgeons have them (wound infection),
some that are truly out of their control (anaphylaxis), and some that are
obviously the surgeon's or hospital's fault (operating on the wrong side).
Sometimes it's not easy to know the difference.

Quote:
> If they had not been in there to begin
> with, it never would have happened.

You haven't described the risks of not having gall bladder surgery.
Depending on her diagnosis, this could be considerably larger than the
surgery itself.

Quote:
> less. It's almost a let's try this and see what happens attitude. This
surgery
> is the most performed surgery at most hospitals. So if you have a horror
story
> to share please post or email me.... Thanx

You could also ask people who've had minor surgical procedures and sailed
through without a hitch to be as vocal as those who've suffered
complications.  The squeaky axle always gets the most grease.


Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:47:18 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:
> I love flame wars please continue.... Have fun....

Your method of handling this situation really is not grounded in logic.  You
can make yourself or someone close to you believe anything you want if you
try hard enough, but it doesn't make it true.


Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:48:57 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....
Richard thank you for the intelligent response. When I posted my message I was
hoping for posts regarding good and bad. But the first ones were flames. Here's
the rest of the story. She goes to an ER for upper ab pain, the doctor does the
following tests. Urine, mashing on stomach, stomach was soft and felt fine.
Doctor at that point says and this is a quote "not life threatening and No
surgery needed" , then he does a culture and a pelvic and a rectal. Sends her
home with hyoscyamine which is an antispasm drug. 6 hours later she's back.
This time a different doctor does an ultrasound and mashes on the stomach. When
told about the first doctor he said " the first doctor should not have done the
tests he did and he didn't follow the proper procedure". So he tells her that
she is passing a gallstone and the hyoscyamine prolonged the trip and caused
pancreatitis. Because of this she is signed into the hospital, two hours later
they tell her they will send her home with some pain meds and the only thing
they could do was wait. Well she waited til that evening and the doctors
ignored her and put her off. If she rang for a nurse no one would answer. One
nurse told her she was on surgery standby and the next one on duty checked and
she never was on standby. So it now became a question of who do you believe
doctor 1 or doctor 2. This pretty much how things continued til she said
enough. They even told her that if she left then the insurance wouldn't pay,
funny how 2 days later the insuranced called to verify she had been there so
they could pay the bill. The doctor from the first trip is now facing
"disciplinary actions for his exam". She has an appointment for follow up in a
couple weeks and the whole point of my post was to know what to ask the doctor.
If the responses led to more of this complication than another, then specific
questions could be asked. She has already decided if she has it then it wll be
out patient only, no tube down the throat, no sedative prior to surgery, and no
scare tactics from the doctor. I do again thank you for your response.
If you don't know the whole story you shouldn't jump in with both feet.......


Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:48:00 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:

>I love flame wars please continue.... Have fun....

Well, at least you admit to being a troll.


Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:24:58 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....
I was simply looking for info and the flaming started. I, just as you or anyone
else has the right to speak freely. It is best to know  and be prepared than to
not know and be devastated, in this day and time to much is hidden....
If you don't know the whole story you shouldn't jump in with both feet.......


Wed, 27 Apr 2005 04:14:17 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:

>I was simply looking for info and the flaming started.

lol... what a crock.  Do you have a memory impairment?  Do you think
we do?  Your post was nothing but flame from beginning to end.  Nice
email address too.

If you want to troll and post flames, then go right ahead; but don't
start whining and feeling sorry for yourself when you catch what you
went fishing for.

Quote:
>If you don't know the whole story you shouldn't jump in with both feet.......

If you want to be taken seriously, don't act like a troll.  


Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:09:22 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....
Yes my post was inflammatory and so is my posting name. Right now we are both
upset about the treatment she received and she is worried to death. The only
thought in her head is she's going to die. Was it fair to put such thoughts in
her head? I thought it was important to promote health and well being. So, can
you shed light on this subject with facts? Can you tell me why a woman
complaining of pain 6 months after surgery is told to find another doctor?
If you don't know the whole story you shouldn't jump in with both feet.......


Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:50:50 GMT
 ATT: Anyone who has had Gallbladder Surgery....

Quote:

>Yes my post was inflammatory and so is my posting name.

And you got what you were after, didn't you?

Quote:
>The only thought in her head is she's going to die. Was it fair
>to put such thoughts in her head?

If her death is a possibility -- and apparently it is -- then it's a
lot more than fair.  It's legally and ethically mandatory.  Would you
prefer a nice, warm, fuzzy lie?  

Quote:
>I thought it was important to promote health and well being. So, can
>you shed light on this subject with facts? Can you tell me why a woman
>complaining of pain 6 months after surgery is told to find another doctor?

No, and no one else on the internet can either.  It's a matter of
common sense that if she's not satisfied with her doctor, she should
consult another one.  

From your description, it sounds like she checked herself out AMA
(against medical advice).  Her doctor -- knowing the real risks at
stake -- told her in no uncertain terms what the consequences of that
decision might be.  This you describe as "putting thoughts in her
head."

And now here you are, trolling usenet looking for horror stories to
"put in her head" instead of convincing her to find another doctor.
Your interest in her well being seems disingenuous, at best.  I'm
beginning to think Emma pegged you correctly.

Quote:
>If you don't know the whole story you shouldn't jump in with both feet.......

Pot, kettle, black.  Think up another line.  You've worn this one out.


Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:05:48 GMT
 
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