Medical, HELP for Kidney Stones ..............

HELP for Kidney Stones ..............

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pk115.. #1 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, etc...) Thank you, Dave Carvell
Sun, 08 Oct 1995 22:39:10 GMT

Gordon Ban #2 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: >My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no >medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. >My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate >their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, Morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain that severe. Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such {filter}. Can't she go to the county hospital or something? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP \| "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mon, 09 Oct 1995 05:01:13 GMT

Dako #3 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: > My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no > medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. > My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate > their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, > etc...) > Thank you, > Dave Carvell First, let me offer you my condolences. I've had kidney stones 4 times and I know the pain she is going through. First, it is best that she see a doctor. However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a urinary tract infection. The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones are extremely painful. My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it out. However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun. Anyway, if she absolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps an over the counter sleeping pill. But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor. Kidney stones are not something to fool around with. She should be x-rayed to make sure there is not a serious problem. Steve
Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:39:58 GMT

Mats Winbe #4 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a painless and effective treatment. A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and saw big signs showing the way to the "Kidney stone chrusher" ... Mats Winberg Stockholm, Sweden
Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:41:35 GMT

Candee Ellis P8 #5 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. If you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do, DEFINITELY follow up on it. My sister was diagnosed with kidney stones 1 1/2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them. After that failed and she continued to be in great pain, they decided she had endometriosis. When they did exploratory surgery, they discovered she had a tumor, which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma -- a very rare and agressive cancer. I realize this is not what happens in the majority of cases, but you never know what can happen and shouldn't take chances!
Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:46:28 GMT

Paul Johns #6 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: > Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving > a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered > into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure > I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a > painless and effective treatment. > A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and > saw big signs showing the way to the "Kidney stone chrusher" ... I saw this a few years ago on "Tomorrow's World" (low-brow BBC technology news program). The patient is lowered into a bath of de-ionized water and carefully positioned. High intensity pressure waves are generated by an electric spark in the water (you don't get electrocuted because de-ionised water does not conduct). These waves are focused on the kidneys by a parabolic reflector and cause the stone to break up. This is completely painless. Of course, you then have to get these little bits of gravel through the urethra. Ouch! Paul. -- --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had \| GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. \| responsible for my opinions
Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:16:18 GMT

Rory Jaf #7 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. : : Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving : a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered : into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure : I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a : painless and effective treatment. The use of shock waves (not ultrasound) to break up stones has been around for a few years. Depending on the type of machine, and intensity of the shock waves, it is usually uncomfortable enough to require something... The high-power machines cause enough pain to require general or regional anesthesia. Afterwards, it feels like someone slugged you pretty good!
Sun, 15 Oct 1995 03:48:10 GMT

Jeff Sil #8 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. : My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no : medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. : : My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate : their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, : etc...) : : Thank you, : : Dave Carvell First off, I would consider the severity of the pain. I had stones several years ago, and there's now way I could have made it without heavy duty doses of morphine and demerol and a two week stay in the hospital. I was told that there was nothing that I could take that would dissolve them. If the stones are passible, the best thing she could do is drink LOTS of water, and hope that they pass, but every time they move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. -- Jeff Silva (707) 577-2681
Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:37:30 GMT

Brian Kant #9 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. As I recall from my bout with kidney stones, there isn't any medication that can do anything about them except relieve the pain. Either they pass, or they have to be broken up with sound, or they have to be extracted surgically. When I was in, the X-ray tech happened to mention that she'd had kidney stones and children, and the childbirth hurt less. Demerol worked, although I nearly got arrested on my way home when I barfed all over the police car parked just outside the ER. - Brian
Tue, 17 Oct 1995 01:09:09 GMT

Michael Covingt #10 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: >move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. One more reason for men to learn the Lamaze breathing techniques, in order to be able to get some pain reduction instantly, wherever you are. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : * ** <><
Tue, 17 Oct 1995 01:22:28 GMT

Barbara Hlav #11 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: >move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. I've had neither a baby nor a kidney stone, but according to my aunt, who has had plenty of both, a kidney stone is worse. --Barbara
Tue, 17 Oct 1995 02:02:21 GMT

Jeff Sil #12 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. : : >move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor : >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, : >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd : >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who : >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. : : One more reason for men to learn the Lamaze breathing techniques, in order : to be able to get some pain reduction instantly, wherever you are. : -- : :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** : :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * : :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : * ** <>< It would have been pretty difficult to practice my hee hee's while I was keeled over pukeing my guts out though. -- Jeff Silva
Tue, 17 Oct 1995 02:07:55 GMT

Bonita Ka #13 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. I was told by my doctor Quote: >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. I've had three children and the pain was different in degree for each. I think it just depends. I was impressed by how awful a kidney stone seemed to be, when I saw a relative with one. I bet they depend, too--some are probably worse than others. Pain--yucch. Bonita Kale
Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:46:58 GMT

Beverly M. Zal #14 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Quote: > I was told by my doctor > >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, > >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd > >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who > >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. I had a kidney stone 3 weeks after the birth of my second child. I've also had numerous kidney infections. There is no question, the stone is worse. The pain is about the same level as that in labor, but it is constant and also nauseating. In addition, I felt very sick and could keep nothing, including water, down. I went into surgery to have the stone pushed back up into the kidney in prep for lithotripsy, and my first words upon coming to were, "gosh, I feel so much better". The recovery room nurse said she doesn't hear that very often! My daughter had a stone last year at the tender age of 7. She passed it after a day of agony. Subsequent analysis showed that she excretes 2x the norm of calcium for a child of her size. Bev Zalan
Sat, 28 Oct 1995 06:27:40 GMT

Jeff Sil #15 / 27	HELP for Kidney Stones .............. : > I was told by my doctor : > >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, : > >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd : > >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who : > >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. : > : > : : I had a kidney stone 3 weeks after the birth of my second child. I've also : had numerous kidney infections. There is no question, the stone is worse. : The pain is about the same level as that in labor, but it is constant and also : nauseating. In addition, I felt very sick and could keep nothing, including : water, down. I went into surgery to have the stone pushed back up into the : kidney in prep for lithotripsy, and my first words upon coming to were, : "gosh, I feel so much better". The recovery room nurse said she doesn't : hear that very often! : : My daughter had a stone last year at the tender age of 7. She passed it : after a day of agony. Subsequent analysis showed that she excretes 2x : the norm of calcium for a child of her size. : : : Bev Zalan Hi Bev I got my first stone 25 years ago, and my second (which is still in me) about 2 weeks ago, the same day that I started to read this thread on stones. Talk about weird. The pain this time wasn't as bad as last time, but it was bad enough. The stone is sitting at the bottom of the ureter now, and I'm just trying to flush it out. I hope it doesn't take long because it sure makes me nervous just sitting there. Kind of like a loaded gun just waiting to go off. I would be very interested in hearing about the lithotripsy technique. Were you submerged in water and did it require a general? What are the details? -- Jeff Silva (707) 577-2681
Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:38:13 GMT

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