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 Germany Legalises Marijuana

GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
Thursday 28 April 1994:

Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.

[This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
could add further details.]
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Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:41:37 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana
: GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
: Thursday 28 April 1994:                              

: Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
: of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.

Well, it looks like Slick will have to take Germany off of his Christmas list.
This is great news (it has to start outside of the U.S. unfortunately).
Please provide any details that you stumble upon.

: [This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
: could add further details.]
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Keith



Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:09:14 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana
|> GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
|> Thursday 28 April 1994:
|>
|> Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
|> of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.
|>
|> [This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
|> could add further details.]
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|>     | Ian Geldard | FidoNet  2:254/151      CIS 70734,426 |

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        YAY!  Eich ein Berliner! (sp)

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                    |   while (drug_status == illegal) {
Clark Battle        |       {*filter*}_crime++;

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Tue, 15 Oct 1996 05:08:46 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

Quote:


>  (Ian Geldard) writes:
> |> GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
> |> Thursday 28 April 1994:
> |>
> |> Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
> |> of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.
> |>
> |> [This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
> |> could add further details.]

>         YAY!  Eich ein Berliner! (sp)

Hurrah (if it's true)..that's 2 European countries heading in the right
direction (or 3 if you count Spain).....let's hope the rest follow.

Come on House of Commons...vote YES for Legalisation.

BTW I was watching the first in a series of Rock type programs called
Night Bites on Channel 4 last night, and they had a skinning up competion,
live on air...Fish from Marillion,some dude from the Shamen and Tony Banks
MP (Labour). They had to construct the largest dooby possible, and
<shock horror:)> Tony Banks won!! I had to pinch myself. Its nice to see
that such topics are appearing with more freqeuncy in the UK media lately.

Anyway I'm off to Amsterdam this weekend as it's Queen Beatrix's Birthday,
and the whole of the Netherlands is gonna be in Amsterdam celebrating....
and so am I :) ......Purple Haze ...Northern Lights ....Here I come.

Later.

Peace,love and a packed bowl. =%^)

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Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:18:36 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana
#GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
#Thursday 28 April 1994:
#
#Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
#of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.
#
#[This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
#could add further details.]

Actually, it was quite the opposite. The German high court has ruled
that, contrary to a submission by a state court, mj and hashish should
not be treated the same as {*filter*} and tobacco. In effect, it said
that they are still '{*filter*}' and should be treated as such. At the same
time it was announced that casual use of mj and hashish would not be
prosecuted (I'm not sure if the court or the government said this). No
definition of casual use or allowable carry. I was stated that the
sale of mj and hashish would still be prosecuted.

This from a quick news report on German TV last night. Perhaps someone
from Germany could give more details from a newspaper.

David LeBlanc

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Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:55:24 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

         BONN (Reuter) - Opposition politicians and police were split
Friday on a Supreme Court ruling that effectively legalized
hashish and {*filter*} use in Germany.
         The top anti-narcotics official in Chancellor Helmut Kohl's
center-right government criticized the court's implicit view
that the {*filter*} were safer than ``harder'' substances like
{*filter*} and {*filter*}.
         ``Making a distinction between soft and hard {*filter*} is the
wrong way to go,'' the Interior Ministry state secretary, Eduard
Lintner, told the newspaper Bild.
         Supreme court judges Thursday upheld the ban on hashish and
{*filter*} in principle but said possession of small amounts for
personal use should no longer be punished. Consumers of any
illegal {*filter*} had faced up to five years in jail.
         Bild, Germany's biggest-selling daily, ran a banner headline
``We say NO'' above a dozen statements from politicians, sports
stars and average citizens criticizing the court ruling.
         The national police detectives' association blasted the
decision, saying it would encourage {*filter*}ion and open the door
for fully legalizing {*filter*}.
         Opposition Social Democrats (SPD) praised the court for
granting the highest legal backing to a practice of not charging
hashish and {*filter*} users that has spread among overworked
police and prosecutors in many of Germany's 16 federal states.
         Hesse state legislature deputy Kurt Weidmann, whose region
includes the {*filter*}-plagued city of Frankfurt, called the ruling
``a brave step toward de-criminalizing'' hashish that could help
move drug users from jails to therapy programs.
         The supreme court, in the southwestern city of Karlsruhe,
made its ruling on appeals from several local criminal courts,
who had asked if it was fair to punish hashish smokers even
though {*filter*} and cigarettes were also unhealthy.
         The ruling left it to state lawmakers to decide what
quantity would make up a permissable ``small amount.''
Definitions under some states' existing tolerance policies range
as high as 30 grams (one ounce).
         Government estimates put the number of hashish and {*filter*}
users at up to eight million in a country of 80 million people.
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Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:26:53 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana
From The Guardian, a British national newspaper:-

Possession of {*filter*} is legalised in Germany

Germany's Constitutional Court legalised the possession of small amounts
of hashish or {*filter*} yesterday.

The decision follows a growing number of cases in which lower courts
have refused to enforce laws banning the possession and use of {*filter*}.

It brings Germany into line with other European countries, notably
Holland.  "It is an important legal and political signal because it
marks the withdrawal of criminal law from sections of drug policy,"
Wolfgang Neskovic, a Lubeck judge, said yesterday.

It was his court which, in 1991, refused to sentence a woman accused of
smuggling 1.12 grammes of hashish to her husband in prison.

"The ruling only adjusts the legal situation to reality," one expert
said yesterday.

It calls on Germany's federal states to harmonise laws on drug
possession, which vary widely between conservative and social
democrat-ruled states.  In future, possession of "small quantities of
{*filter*} for occasional personal use" will not be punishable.  Trading
and possession of larger amounts will remain punishable by fines.

Interior ministry figures show that 1,207kg of hashish were confiscated
in Germany in the first three months of this year, double the amount
seized during the same period in 1993.

Professor Winfried Hassemer of Frankfurt university said the hashish ban
had encouraged a thriving black market and led to "enormous profit
margins" for organised crime.

While some commentators warned yesterday that the ruling had neglected
the "damaging social repercussions" of hashish use, others stressed that
{*filter*} and nicotine were far more serious hazards.

The point was also taken up by the Constitutional Court, which
recognised that the dangers inherent in {*filter*} abuse "equalled and
sometimes even exceeded" those of {*filter*} consumption.  But, the court
added, the difference was that with {*filter*} "intoxication is not the
prime aim".

Statistics show that Germany has 3 million {*filter*}ics, 800,000 people
dependent on medication and 120,000 drug {*filter*}s.



Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:41:12 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana



Quote:
>> GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
>> Thursday 28 April 1994:

>> Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
>> of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.

>> [This is all the information I have at present, perhaps someone
>> could add further details.]  [Ian Geldard]

> YAY!  Eich ein Berliner! (sp)

Um, let's hold off a bit on the huzzas while we contemplate the fact
that this is apparently the very same court which just this week ruled
that to deny Jews died in Nazi death camps was to deny a fact and that
the severity of the insult to the Jewish community meant the right to
freedom of speech did not apply, and that therefore groups propagating
the so-called "Auschwitz lie," which denies the Holocaust ever took
place, do not enjoy freedom of speech.

A supreme court of a nation rules in favor of drug freedom (albeit in
a very limited way) and against freedom of speech, in the same week...
can you say "schizophrenic," boys and girls?




Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:58:37 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

Soc.Cul.De):
: Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
: of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.
Das Landgericht Luebeck hatte dem Bundesverfassungsgericht die Frage
vorgelegt ob die Strafbarkeit des Besitzes von Hanfprodukten mit dem
Grundgesetz vereinbar sei.
Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat entschieden, dass der Staat berechtigt
ist Hanf zu verbieten, es aber der Verfassungsgrundsatz der
Verhaeltnissmaessigkeit der Mittel erfordere bei kleinen Mengen fuer den
Eigenverbrauch von Strafe abzusehen.
Ueber diese Fragen muesse nach klaren Richtlinien entschieden werden.
(Das genaue Urteil wird in einigen Wochen in diversen juristischen
Fachzeitschriften veroeffentlicht.)
Nach diesen Regeln muss die Polizei beim Nachweis des Besitzes geringer
Mengen von Hanfprodukten der Staatsanwaltschaft Mitteilung machen und
diese muss dann das Strafverfahren einstellen.
Auch in der Vergangenheit war dies bisher weitgehend das uebliche
Verfahren.
Die Entscheidung des Bundesverfassungsgerichtes verbessert also nur
die Rechtssicherheit und aendert an der rechtlichen Praxis nur sehr
wenig.

In der realen Diskussion ueber das Rauschgiftproblem in Deutschland
geht es um Methadontherapien und {*filter*}therapien.
Methadon ist eine Ersatzdroge die Entzugsschmerzen bei {*filter*}abhaengigen
verhindert und keinen Rausch erzeugt. Methadon ermoeglicht die soziale
und medizinische Stabilisierung des Drogenabhaengigen. Immer mehr
Drogenabhaengige werden in Methadontherapien uebernommen mit dem Ziel
einer dauernden oder ausschleichenden Substitution.
Ein Nachteil von Methadon ist das eigenstaendige Suchtpotential von
Methadon, d.h. der bisher nur {*filter*}suechtige entwickelt eine eigenstaendige
Methadonsucht.
Der zweite Nachteil ist das fehlende Rauscherlebniss und seine mangelnde
Attraktivitaet fuer Suechtige.
Deswegen gibt es Vorschlaege fuer {*filter*}therapien. Die Abhaengigen
erhalten was sie wollen und es entsteht keine zusaetzliche Methadonsucht.
Wenn der Staat an {*filter*}suechtige {*filter*} verteilen wuerde, so wuerde die
Beschaffungskriminalitaet schlagartig verschwinden.

Aber ueber diese Fragen hat das Bundesverfassungsgericht nicht
entschieden...

Achim



Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:09:00 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

Quote:
>Um, let's hold off a bit on the huzzas while we contemplate the fact
>that this is apparently the very same court which just this week ruled
>that to deny Jews died in Nazi death camps was to deny a fact and that
>the severity of the insult to the Jewish community meant the right to
>freedom of speech did not apply, and that therefore groups propagating
>the so-called "Auschwitz lie," which denies the Holocaust ever took
>place, do not enjoy freedom of speech.

>A supreme court of a nation rules in favor of drug freedom (albeit in
>a very limited way) and against freedom of speech, in the same week...
>can you say "schizophrenic," boys and girls?

You can't compare neo-NAZI's (that's what those people are!) to people
who use soft-{*filter*}.
 What you say would imply that anyone can say anything based on the speech
of freedom?? Come on, fascism/racism and all those kind of things should be
ruled out!
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Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:00:01 GMT
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Quote:

>GERMANY LEGALISES {*filter*}
>Thursday 28 April 1994:                              
>Germany's highest court has legalised possession of small amounts
>of {*filter*} and hashish for occasional personal use.

Germany today.....tomorrow.....THE WORLD!!!!!!!


Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:44:39 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

Quote:

> What you say would imply that anyone can say anything based on the speech
>of freedom?? Come on, fascism/racism and all those kind of things should be
>ruled out!

Freedom of Speech means that a person is free to say anything, no matter how
unpopular. While you or I might not agree with much of the fascist/racist
sayings of many groups, we must allow them the freedom to express themselves.
Anything less is not Freedom Of Speech.

Of course, I'm speaking ony for the USA. I don't know what sort of limitations
are possible in Germany or other countries.

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Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:43:30 GMT
 Germany Legalises Marijuana

Quote:

>> What you say would imply that anyone can say anything based on the speech
>>of freedom?? Come on, fascism/racism and all those kind of things should be
>>ruled out!

>Freedom of Speech means that a person is free to say anything, no matter how
>unpopular. While you or I might not agree with much of the fascist/racist
>sayings of many groups, we must allow them the freedom to express themselves.
>Anything less is not Freedom Of Speech.

I tend to agree there, but I don't fault the German courts for ruling
otherwise.  After all, their job is not to decide what the law *should* be,
but rather what it *is*.  I agree that the law should be changed, but that
is a job for the legislature.

Of course, if *our* court were to hand down a similar ruling, I'd be up in
arms since they would be responsible for upholding the First Amendment,
whose scope is broader than its German counterpart.

But you are right on the fundamental issue: what good is "free speech" if
it does not protect the utterance of unpopular ideas?  Popular ones don't
need such protections in a democracy.

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Graduate Student                         you know."
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Northwestern University                 -Ralph Waldo Emerson



Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:59:58 GMT
 
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