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Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness

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Todd Gastald #1 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Todd D. Gastaldo, DC "trolls" because... MDs are lying and - as a consequence - mothers and babies are suffering en masse - sometimes dying - senselessly. I now respond to various falsehoods - and other matters deriving from... Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) http://www.*.com/ In this just cited post, I quoted Milbank Quarterly... "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern medicine..." [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] I asked: Maybe THIS is why reporters, academics, MDs, publishers remain silent about obvious MD lies and obvious MD-inflicted mass human suffering? I wrote further: Few people are aware that Milbank Quarterly is a journal associated with the origins of Nazism in medicine. I concluded: This past MIGHT account for a strange [lie of omission?] [in] Milbank Quarterly/Seidelman's 1988 "Medicine's Nazi Heritage" article (just quoted)... See Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) http://www..com/ Now for my comments on the responses to Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) http://www..com/ My comments are interspersed ############# Quote: >>>>Todd, Your posting style is RUDE.<<<< http://www..com/ ############ My posting style is NOT "rude" - at least I do not believe it to be so. But even if my posting style were* rude, it is shabby of Lori to fail to point out that it is hard not to be regarded as rude by powerful cultural authorities (MDs and PhDs who cheerlead for them) blithely telling lies and making women and babies suffer senselessly. ############ My posts in reply (to lying MDs and their PhD cheerleaders) are generally quite measured relative to THEIR rudeness - as they ignore their own CRIMINAL rudeness. It is no excuse that MD-funded law enforcement is ignoring MD criminal rudeness. See PTs/Dr. Laura/Edell to ask Atty Gen'l Lockyer to stop the child abuse? http://www.*.com/ Lori continued... Quote: >>>><<<<If you want people to pay attention to the URL's you insist we all read, you'll at least excerpt them to the point that we get your gist without constantly clicking. Excerpt them and then provide the link, 'k?<<<< http://www..com/ ############ The links I supply generally support what I've just said - I supply them so that people who do not believe me can verify my facts by going to the links. This keeps the questions down to a minimum and makes my posts "stand-alone" - some people post my posts to their websites. With links, interested persons can verify my work without having to e-mail me - though I welcome inquiries... ############ Also, excerpting makes my posts longer...but I sometimes do it anyway. Quote: >>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed [Todd] insisted anything. i thought everyone was at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< ############ This is an EXCELLENT observation! At the very least, people can delete my posts (and delete posts on threads in which I am being discussed. It is best, though, if people who do not wish to read me just filter me. I am NOT (as JC and Alison Finkelstein allege; see below) changing my e-mail address to evade filters! I never have and never will. Again quoting Ilena, Quote: >>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed he insisted anything. i thought everyone was at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< Quote: >>>><<<<Oh, God, don't tell him THAT! His posts are long and cryptic enough as it is, and he pays no attention to suggestions/requests that he structure them differently.<<<< ############# Ilena may tell me (or say about me) whatever she wishes! (Of course, as is evidenced on this thread, so may everyone else! No one needs permission to trash Gastaldo!) ############# Earth to Pallas! (Maybe someone will quote this back and you will open that post.) Here is what I am insisting! I am insisting that it is everyone's job to help the helpless - but Ilena is right - it is indeed everyone's choice whether to read my posts... ############# Also, my posts are indeed long; but they are NOT "cryptic" - at least not intentionally so. ############# Besides, Pallas, you likely would not know* if I had paid attention to recent suggestions that I structure my posts differently because you now filter me - or rather - you recently strongly inferred you wanted to start filtering me... See below. Quote: >>>><<<<Just killfile him like everyone else.<<<< ############## Everyone else does NOT killfile me! the outset that I NEVER filter Todd's posts. I just hit the delete key when I get down a half page or so, and I still can't figure out what he is saying...[snip]...Good luck, and may you accomplish your grand mission, (I actually believe the work you are trying to do is important)" http://www.*.com/ JC continued... Quote: >>>><<<<You are wasting your time reading his diatribe...<<< ############# In a sense, I agree with JC here. Once my "diatribe" is grokked, it is a waste of time reading me further. ############# I'm wondering though... ############# Is JC saying MDs are NOT lying? ############# Is JC saying that mothers and babies are NOT suffering en masse and sometimes dying - senselessly - at the hands of MDs? ############# I ask because I'm wondering why she thinks me a "psycho" (see below)... ############# I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and MD inflicted mass human suffering... See... FOX PICTURE!!! http://www..com/ Explanation http://www..com/ See also "Todd Boycott" busted! Gastaldo commits suicide! http://www..com/ ############# JC concludes... Quote: >>>><<<<I consider him a troll.<<<< ############# I sincerely believe 100% of babies would WANT me to be a "troll" until the MD lies are exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human suffering stops! Quote: >>>><<<<I am getting frustrated because I keep on kill filing him and he keeps changing his email address.<<<<< http://www..com/ 33697324 ############# This is a falsehood! There was a "Fake Todd" posting as ############# Alison: Please publicly post the messages which you believe demonstrate that I "keep changing my email address." I want to stop - or at least identify - anyone pretending to be me. Hopefully, you do too. Alison continued... Quote: >>>><<<<I am grouchy lately as it is and...<<<< ############# I am sorry to hear that Alison is grouchy; but I am NOT changing my e-mail address to evade her filtration! Alison continues... Quote: >>>><<<<...seeing his posts just make me more annoyed...<<<< ############# Alison: If you are reading: Use that delete key until we figure out who the new (?) "Fake Todd" is... Alison concludes... Quote: >>>><<<<If he sees no one listens to him why does he still insist on posting here?<<<< ############# This is another falsehood - an echo of JC killfile him like everyone else." I say again: Every does NOT killfile me. See quote from Larry McMahan above. (NOTE: I do NOT rule out the possibility that everyone might killfile me in the future; but hopefully by then the MD lies will have been exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human suffering will have ended...) ############# JC wrote that I still insist on posting here, Quote: >>>><<<<Because people read his posts and make the mistake of talking to him like a SANE person!<<<< ############# JC is not the first to call me "insane" for persisently protesting MD-lies and MD inflicted mass human suffering. See FOX PICTURE and "Todd boycott busted" URLs below.... ############# JC now embellishes Alison's falsehood about me changing my e-mail address: Quote: >>>><<<< I know what you mean about him changing his address- it might be because he is getting kicked off ISP's but I can't be certain.<<<< ############# Alison and JC: PLEASE post the messages which you believe demonstrate that I have been changing my e-mail address. Last year, I had to change my e-mail address because Aaron A. Fox, PhD fraudulently orchestrated my censorship from one internet access point. See Wolf at the door? No, only a Fox... http://www..com/ hominem: Quote: >>>><<<<Glad you all are saying how nuts this is because sometimes I think I'm off. I haven't noticed him before, maybe just not paying attention but he's gone to "kill file" for now... anni<<<< JC replied with "VERY strange" "psycho" ad hominem: Quote: >>>><<<<Anni- He is VERY strange! I personally think he is psycho!<<<< ############# Again, I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and MD inflicted mass human suffering... See... FOX PICTURE!!! http://www..com/ Explanation http://www..com/ See also "Todd Boycott" busted! Gastaldo commits suicide! http://www..com/ As I've noted before, I SUPPORT filtration... Will people please post filtration instructions for the systems they use? In this regard... What follows is an excerpt from my postcript to 'Yon kooky one' responds to Ka&g and Dr. Wright (Two peas in a pod - mothers and babies be damned...) ... read more »**
Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Hilber #2 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness You are referencing an article from 1988???? Come on, put some work in and come up with something current! Quote: > Todd D. Gastaldo, DC "trolls" because... > MDs are lying and - as a consequence - mothers and babies are suffering en > masse - sometimes dying - senselessly. > I now respond to various falsehoods - and other matters deriving from... > Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > In this just cited post, I quoted Milbank Quarterly... > "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern > medicine..." > [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, > Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] > I asked: > Maybe THIS is why reporters, academics, MDs, publishers remain silent about > obvious MD lies and obvious MD-inflicted mass human suffering? > I wrote further: > Few people are aware that Milbank Quarterly is a journal associated with the > origins of Nazism in medicine. > I concluded: > This past MIGHT account for a strange [lie of omission?] [in] Milbank > Quarterly/Seidelman's 1988 "Medicine's Nazi Heritage" article (just > quoted)... > See Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > Now for my comments on the responses to Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? > (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > My comments are interspersed ############# >>>>>Todd, Your posting style is RUDE.<<<< > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > ############ My posting style is NOT "rude" - at least I do not believe it > to be so. But even if my posting style were rude, it is shabby of Lori to > fail to point out that it is hard not to be regarded as rude by powerful > cultural authorities (MDs and PhDs who cheerlead for them) blithely telling > lies and making women and babies suffer senselessly. > ############ My posts in reply (to lying MDs and their PhD cheerleaders) > are generally quite measured relative to THEIR rudeness - as they ignore > their own CRIMINAL rudeness. It is no excuse that MD-funded law enforcement > is ignoring MD criminal rudeness. See PTs/Dr. Laura/Edell to ask Atty Gen'l > Lockyer to stop the child abuse? > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=632700695 > Lori continued... >>>>><<<<If you want people to pay attention to the URL's you insist we all > read, you'll at least excerpt them to the point that we get your gist > without constantly clicking. Excerpt them and then provide the link, 'k?<<<< > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > ############ The links I supply generally support what I've just said - I > supply them so that people who do not believe me can verify my facts by > going to the links. This keeps the questions down to a minimum and makes my > posts "stand-alone" - some people post my posts to their websites. With > links, interested persons can verify my work without having to e-mail me - > though I welcome inquiries... > ############ Also, excerpting makes my posts longer...but I sometimes do it > anyway. >>>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed [Todd] insisted anything. i thought everyone > was at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< > ############ This is an EXCELLENT observation! At the very least, people > can delete my posts (and delete posts on threads in which I am being > discussed. It is best, though, if people who do not wish to read me just > filter me. I am NOT (as JC and Alison Finkelstein allege; see below) > changing my e-mail address to evade filters! I never have and never will. > Again quoting Ilena, >>>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed he insisted anything. i thought everyone was > at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< >>>>><<<<Oh, God, don't tell him THAT! His posts are long and cryptic enough > as it is, and he pays no attention to suggestions/requests that he structure > them differently.<<<< > ############# Ilena may tell me (or say about me) whatever she wishes! (Of > course, as is evidenced on this thread, so may everyone else! No one needs > permission to trash Gastaldo!) > ############# Earth to Pallas! (Maybe someone will quote this back and you > will open that post.) Here is what I am insisting! I am insisting that it > is everyone's job to help the helpless - but Ilena is right - it is indeed > everyone's choice whether to read my posts... > ############# Also, my posts are indeed long; but they are NOT "cryptic" - > at least not intentionally so. > ############# Besides, Pallas, you likely *would not know* if I had > paid attention to recent suggestions that I structure my posts differently > because you now filter me - or rather - you recently strongly inferred you > wanted to start filtering me... See below. >>>>><<<<Just killfile him like everyone else.<<<< > ############## Everyone else does NOT killfile me! > the outset that I NEVER filter Todd's posts. I just hit the delete key > when I get down a half page or so, and I still can't > figure out what he is saying...[snip]...Good luck, and may you accomplish > your grand mission, (I actually believe the work you are trying to do is > important)" > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658223127 > JC continued... >>>>><<<<You are wasting your time reading his diatribe...<<< > ############# In a sense, I agree with JC here. Once my "diatribe" is > grokked, it is a waste of time reading me further. > ############# I'm wondering though... > ############# Is JC saying MDs are NOT lying? > ############# Is JC saying that mothers and babies are NOT suffering en > masse and sometimes dying - senselessly - at the hands of MDs? > ############# I ask because I'm wondering why she thinks me a "psycho" (see > below)... > ############# I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to > publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and > MD inflicted mass human suffering... > See... > FOX PICTURE!!! > http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/doc1.htm > Explanation > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=606689611 > See also "Todd Boycott" busted! Gastaldo commits suicide! > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=637535433 > ############# JC concludes... >>>>><<<<I consider him a troll.<<<< > ############# I sincerely believe 100% of babies would WANT me to be a > "troll" until the MD lies are exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human > suffering stops! >>>>><<<<I am getting frustrated because I keep on kill filing him and he > keeps changing his email address.<<<<< > http://x74.deja.com/threadmsg_ct.xp?thitnum=7&mhitnum=5&CONTEXT=96643... > 33697324 > ############# This is a falsehood! There was a "Fake Todd" posting as > ############# Alison: Please publicly post the messages which you believe > demonstrate that I "keep changing my email address." I want to stop - or > at least identify - anyone pretending to be me. Hopefully, you do too. > Alison continued... >>>>><<<<I am grouchy lately as it is and...<<<< > ############# I am sorry to hear that Alison is grouchy; but I am NOT > changing my e-mail address to evade her filtration! > Alison continues... >>>>><<<<...seeing his posts just make me more annoyed...<<<< > ############# Alison: If you are reading: Use that delete key until we > figure out who the new (?) "Fake Todd" is... > Alison concludes... >>>>><<<<If he sees no one listens to him why does he still insist on posting > here?<<<< > ############# This is another falsehood - an echo of JC > killfile him like everyone else." I say again: Every does NOT killfile me. > See quote from Larry McMahan above. (NOTE: I do NOT rule out the > possibility that everyone might killfile me in the future; but hopefully by > then the MD lies will have been exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human > suffering will have ended...) > ############# JC wrote that I still insist on posting here, >>>>><<<<Because people read his posts and make the mistake of talking to him > like a SANE person!<<<< > ############# JC is not the first to call me "insane" for persisently > protesting MD-lies and MD inflicted mass human suffering. See FOX PICTURE > and "Todd boycott busted" URLs below.... > ############# JC now embellishes Alison's falsehood about me changing my > e-mail address: >>>>><<<< I know what you mean about him changing his address- it might be > because he is getting kicked off ISP's but I can't be certain.<<<< > ############# Alison and JC: PLEASE post the messages which you believe > demonstrate that I have been changing my e-mail address. Last year, I had > to change my e-mail address because Aaron A. Fox, PhD fraudulently > orchestrated my censorship from one internet access point. See Wolf at the > door? No, only a Fox... > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=534092771 > hominem: >>>>><<<<Glad you all are saying how nuts this is because sometimes I think > I'm off. I haven't noticed him before, maybe just not paying attention but > he's gone to "kill file" for now... anni<<<< > JC replied with "VERY strange" "psycho" ad hominem: >>>>><<<<Anni- He is VERY strange! I personally think he is psycho!<<<< > ############# Again, I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to > publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and > MD inflicted mass human suffering... > See... > FOX PICTURE!!! ... read more »
Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Michelle Lacke #3 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Man, I didn't realize how bad he's gotten. I'm glad that killfile does work. And Todd, I do hope you read this, you can add me to the list of people that consider you psycho and your posts a useless waste of bandwith that makes absolutely no sense!! And before you start going off on all of us "uneducated women that are oh so in need of your help to save us and our babies" I'll let you know now, that I have read and researched the topic of pregnancy and childbirth quite thoroughly, and, if you'd ever bother to read anyone's posts but your own, at least in mkp since I don't subscribe to the other newsgroups, the women here seem to say the same things you, from what I can tell, are attempting to, but they do it in a way that people can understand and actually take the time to read because they can get something out of it. Oh, plus, I think it's very rude that you post people's email addresses to other newsgroups they aren't subscribed to without their permission. That is very very bad nettiquette and you are invading their privacy (whether they have spam blocking on them or not) and I do not authorize you to use my email address in any of your posts because I don't want any other wackos like you that may be out there bothering me. Consider that a warning in case I ever find my email address posted to a ng I don't belong to. GTE would probably be glad to get rid of you anyway if they had a complaint. Michelle L. EDD 10/22/00 Quote: > You are referencing an article from 1988???? Come on, put some work in > and come up with something current! > > Todd D. Gastaldo, DC "trolls" because... > > MDs are lying and - as a consequence - mothers and babies are suffering en > > masse - sometimes dying - senselessly. > > I now respond to various falsehoods - and other matters deriving from... > > Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > > In this just cited post, I quoted Milbank Quarterly... > > "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern > > medicine..." > > [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, > > Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] > > I asked: > > Maybe THIS is why reporters, academics, MDs, publishers remain silent about > > obvious MD lies and obvious MD-inflicted mass human suffering? > > I wrote further: > > Few people are aware that Milbank Quarterly is a journal associated with the > > origins of Nazism in medicine. > > I concluded: > > This past MIGHT account for a strange [lie of omission?] [in] Milbank > > Quarterly/Seidelman's 1988 "Medicine's Nazi Heritage" article (just > > quoted)... > > See Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > > Now for my comments on the responses to Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? > > (Too stridently?) > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > > My comments are interspersed ############# > >>>>>Todd, Your posting style is RUDE.<<<< > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > > ############ My posting style is NOT "rude" - at least I do not believe it > > to be so. But even if my posting style were rude, it is shabby of Lori to > > fail to point out that it is hard not to be regarded as rude by powerful > > cultural authorities (MDs and PhDs who cheerlead for them) blithely telling > > lies and making women and babies suffer senselessly. > > ############ My posts in reply (to lying MDs and their PhD cheerleaders) > > are generally quite measured relative to THEIR rudeness - as they ignore > > their own CRIMINAL rudeness. It is no excuse that MD-funded law enforcement > > is ignoring MD criminal rudeness. See PTs/Dr. Laura/Edell to ask Atty Gen'l > > Lockyer to stop the child abuse? > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=632700695 > > Lori continued... > >>>>><<<<If you want people to pay attention to the URL's you insist we all > > read, you'll at least excerpt them to the point that we get your gist > > without constantly clicking. Excerpt them and then provide the link, 'k?<<<< > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > > ############ The links I supply generally support what I've just said - I > > supply them so that people who do not believe me can verify my facts by > > going to the links. This keeps the questions down to a minimum and makes my > > posts "stand-alone" - some people post my posts to their websites. With > > links, interested persons can verify my work without having to e-mail me - > > though I welcome inquiries... > > ############ Also, excerpting makes my posts longer...but I sometimes do it > > anyway. > >>>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed [Todd] insisted anything. i thought everyone > > was at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< > > ############ This is an EXCELLENT observation! At the very least, people > > can delete my posts (and delete posts on threads in which I am being > > discussed. It is best, though, if people who do not wish to read me just > > filter me. I am NOT (as JC and Alison Finkelstein allege; see below) > > changing my e-mail address to evade filters! I never have and never will. > > Again quoting Ilena, > >>>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed he insisted anything. i thought everyone was > > at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< > >>>>><<<<Oh, God, don't tell him THAT! His posts are long and cryptic enough > > as it is, and he pays no attention to suggestions/requests that he structure > > them differently.<<<< > > ############# Ilena may tell me (or say about me) whatever she wishes! (Of > > course, as is evidenced on this thread, so may everyone else! No one needs > > permission to trash Gastaldo!) > > ############# Earth to Pallas! (Maybe someone will quote this back and you > > will open that post.) Here is what I am insisting! I am insisting that it > > is everyone's job to help the helpless - but Ilena is right - it is indeed > > everyone's choice whether to read my posts... > > ############# Also, my posts are indeed long; but they are NOT "cryptic" - > > at least not intentionally so. > > ############# Besides, Pallas, you likely *would not know* if I had > > paid attention to recent suggestions that I structure my posts differently > > because you now filter me - or rather - you recently strongly inferred you > > wanted to start filtering me... See below. > >>>>><<<<Just killfile him like everyone else.<<<< > > ############## Everyone else does NOT killfile me! at > > the outset that I NEVER filter Todd's posts. I just hit the delete key > > when I get down a half page or so, and I still can't > > figure out what he is saying...[snip]...Good luck, and may you accomplish > > your grand mission, (I actually believe the work you are trying to do is > > important)" > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658223127 > > JC continued... > >>>>><<<<You are wasting your time reading his diatribe...<<< > > ############# In a sense, I agree with JC here. Once my "diatribe" is > > grokked, it is a waste of time reading me further. > > ############# I'm wondering though... > > ############# Is JC saying MDs are NOT lying? > > ############# Is JC saying that mothers and babies are NOT suffering en > > masse and sometimes dying - senselessly - at the hands of MDs? > > ############# I ask because I'm wondering why she thinks me a "psycho" (see > > below)... > > ############# I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to > > publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and > > MD inflicted mass human suffering... > > See... > > FOX PICTURE!!! > > http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/doc1.htm > > Explanation > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=606689611 > > See also "Todd Boycott" busted! Gastaldo commits suicide! > > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=637535433 > > ############# JC concludes... > >>>>><<<<I consider him a troll.<<<< > > ############# I sincerely believe 100% of babies would WANT me to be a > > "troll" until the MD lies are exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human > > suffering stops! > >>>>><<<<I am getting frustrated because I keep on kill filing him and he > > keeps changing his email address.<<<<< http://x74.deja.com/threadmsg_ct.xp?thitnum=7&mhitnum=5&CONTEXT=96643... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > > 33697324 > > ############# This is a falsehood! There was a "Fake Todd" posting as > > ############# Alison: Please publicly post the messages which you believe > > demonstrate that I "keep changing my email address." I want to stop - or > > at least identify - anyone pretending to be me. Hopefully, you do too. > > Alison continued... > >>>>><<<<I am grouchy lately as it is and...<<<< > > ############# I am sorry to hear that Alison is grouchy; but I am NOT > > changing my e-mail address to evade her filtration! > > Alison continues... > >>>>><<<<...seeing his posts just make me more annoyed...<<<< > > ############# Alison: If you are reading: Use that delete key until we > > figure out who the new (?) "Fake Todd" is... > > Alison concludes... > >>>>><<<<If he sees no one listens to him why does he still insist on posting > > here?<<<< > > ############# This is another falsehood - an echo of JC > > killfile him like everyone else." I say again: ... read more »
Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:00:00 GMT

shabbydol #4 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness #################! thanks, Todd for the 'picket fence around my brain' logo. lori
Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:05:39 GMT

Ilena Ro #5 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness , if you'd ever bother to read anyone's posts but your own, at least in mkp since I don't subscribe to the other newsgroups, wht's mkp mean?
Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:09:15 GMT

#6 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness
Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT

Todd Gastald #7 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Prof. Robert N. Proctor Department of History Pennsylvania State University Prof. Proctor: Here's some info regarding American MD Nazi-like behavior. See especially the truly massive OBSTETRIC EMERGENCY. Hopefully, this info comes in time for inclusion in the Nov 2000 edition of your book Nazi War on Cancer... Here's how I happened to find you... I posted Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) http://www.**.com/ When I quoted a 1988 Milbank Quarterly article which claimed that Nazism in medicine is now GENETIC... "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern medicine..." [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] Quote: >>>><<<<You are referencing an article from 1988???? Come on, put some work in and come up with something current!<<<< Earth to... Leslie Hilbert Assoc. Dir. ADMISSIONS AND UNDERGRADUATE RECRUITMENT Spruce Hall, 0015 FAX 491-7799 www.colostate.edu/Depts/Admission Leslie, didn't you notice? I did* note "something current" - i.e., I noted (among other truly massive Nazi-like abuses) a truly massive OBSTETRIC EMERGENCY. MDs are lying and as a consequence mothers and babies are suffering en masse and sometimes dying - RIGHT NOW... See again Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) http://www.*.com/ At some of the links, I noted a PhD abusing his cultural authority as a university academic to LIE thereby perpetuating the obstetric emergency... See 'Skeptic' Aaron 'stalks' himself/'Skeptic' Aaron WELL connected (Milbank Memorial Fund) http://www..com/ Urgent matter/Milbank Pres. Dr. Dan Fox... http://www..com/ Just now, Leslie, I searched PubMed for "Nazi"... Here's some of what I found... Perspect Biol Med 2000 Spring;43(3):335-46 Nazi science and Nazi medical ethics: some myths and misconceptions. Proctor RN Leslie, there was no abstract for this article by RN Proctor; but I did find these remarks about one Robert N. Proctor: "Robert N. Proctor reminds us in his recent book "The Nazi War on Cancer", where "the routine practice of science can so easily coexist with the routine exercise of cruelty." Research committed to prevention and to the struggle for health and social equity was for quite a while successfully hampered by closing the financial channels and depriving it of the necessary means. The block by lack of funds has been replaced in recent times by a block by plenty through the attraction exerted on many scientists by availability of conspicuous and sure funds for research on themes chosen by the economic power." Epidemiol Prev 1999 Oct-Dec;23(4):402-7 [Commitment and ambiguous complexity in scientific research]. [Article in Italian] Tomatis L Also there was this regarding Prof. Proctor's 1999/2000 book... "Robert Proctor recently made the explosive discovery, however, that Nazi Germany was also decades ahead of other countries in promoting health reforms that we today regard as progressive and socially responsible. Most startling, Nazi scientists were the first to definitively link lung cancer and cigarette smoking. Proctor explores the controversial and troubling questions that such findings raise: Were the Nazis more complex morally than we thought?" The Nazi War on Cancer Robert N. Proctor Paper \| NOVEMBER 2000 \| $16.95 / 10.50 380 pp. \| 6 x 9 \| 40 halftones, 5 tables Cloth \| 1999 \| $29.95 / 18.95 380 pp. \| 6 x 9 \| 40 halftones, 5 tables http://www..com/ Just think, Leslie, in regard to cancer, American MDs (post WWII) were MORE Nazi-like than pre-WW1 German Nazi MDs... American MDs are more Nazi-like in other regards, too, Leslie - with PhD academics lying to cover up - as mothers and babies suffer en masse... See again 'Skeptic' Aaron 'stalks' himself/'Skeptic' Aaron WELL connected (Milbank Memorial Fund) http://www.*.com/ I'm copying Prof. Proctor... Maybe this info can make the November 2000 issue of his book... Oh wait... Here's something else I found on PubMed... "In Germany especially the history of mass killing during the Nazi era constitutes a fundamental argument against active euthanasia...[Active euthanasia is occuring again - as seen in recent serial killings by nurses in hospitals and homes for the elderly around the world - TDG]..." Gerontology 2000 Jul-Aug;46(4):212-8 Life shortening and physician assistance in dying: euthanasia from the viewpoint of german legal medicine. Oehmichen M, Meissner C And there was this - sorry - no abstract... Eugenic sterilization and a Nazi analogy. Ann Intern Med. 2000 Jun 20;132(12):1008 Nathanson JA, Grodin MA And there was this... Acta Psychiatr Scand Suppl 2000;399:13-5 Political abuse of psychiatry. Birley JL Geneva Institute of Psychiatry, Hilversum, The Netherlands. The abuse of psychiatry in Nazi Germany 60 years ago was the abuse of the 'duty to care'. Its scale was enormous; 300,000 people were sterilized and 100,000 killed in Germany alone and many thousands further afield, mainly in eastern Europe. This episode occurred in a country with a high reputation for its medicine, including psychiatry, and for its interest in the ethics of medical research. The economic conditions which preceded the {filter} political upheaval had led to increasing concern about 'the burden on the State' of the mentally ill and disabled. These preoccupations are still with us today. There may still be lessons to be learnt from the Nazi episode. Again, Leslie, I made reference to CURRENT Nazi-like behavior of American medicine... Here's the exact quote of what I wrote... Quote: > I now respond to various falsehoods - and other matters deriving from... > Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www..com/ > In this just cited post, I quoted Milbank Quarterly... > "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern > medicine..." > [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, > Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] > I asked: > Maybe THIS is why reporters, academics, MDs, publishers remain silent about > obvious MD lies and obvious MD-inflicted mass human suffering? > I wrote further: > Few people are aware that Milbank Quarterly is a journal associated with the > origins of Nazism in medicine. > I concluded: > This past MIGHT account for a strange [lie of omission?] [in] Milbank > Quarterly/Seidelman's 1988 "Medicine's Nazi Heritage" article (just > quoted)... > See Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www.*.com/
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#8 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness
Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT

Todd Gastald #9 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Quote: >>>><<<<#################! thanks, Todd for the 'picket fence around my brain' logo.<<<<< http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=659198812 Nature has a picket fence of sorts. Nature's picket fence opens if you let it. MDs don't let it. Instead, they jam nature's picket into the fetal skull - pinching the fetal brain (semisitting, dorsal delivery). Some babies die - this according to MDs themselves! See URLs below. Lori, here again is my post with the 'picket fence' logo. Please read it again and help the babies. Do "my" job better, Lori. Finish "my" job. I will clap loudest. I can't believe I am still being called "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and MD-inflicted mass human suffering... Sigh... Todd D. Gastaldo, DC Quote: > Todd D. Gastaldo, DC "trolls" because... > MDs are lying and - as a consequence - mothers and babies are suffering en > masse - sometimes dying - senselessly. > I now respond to various falsehoods - and other matters deriving from... > Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > In this just cited post, I quoted Milbank Quarterly... > "Nazi medicine has now become a part of the professional genotype of modern > medicine..." > [Seidelman WE. Mengele Medicus: Medicine's Nazi Heritage. Milbank Quarterly, > Vol. 66, No. 2, 1988:221-39] > I asked: > Maybe THIS is why reporters, academics, MDs, publishers remain silent about > obvious MD lies and obvious MD-inflicted mass human suffering? > I wrote further: > Few people are aware that Milbank Quarterly is a journal associated with the > origins of Nazism in medicine. > I concluded: > This past MIGHT account for a strange [lie of omission?] [in] Milbank > Quarterly/Seidelman's 1988 "Medicine's Nazi Heritage" article (just > quoted)... > See Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > Now for my comments on the responses to Alan's support/Todd debating Nazis? > (Too stridently?) > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658715724 > My comments are interspersed ############# > >>>>Todd, Your posting style is RUDE.<<<< > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > ############ My posting style is NOT "rude" - at least I do not believe it > to be so. But even if my posting style were rude, it is shabby of Lori to > fail to point out that it is hard not to be regarded as rude by powerful > cultural authorities (MDs and PhDs who cheerlead for them) blithely telling > lies and making women and babies suffer senselessly. > ############ My posts in reply (to lying MDs and their PhD cheerleaders) > are generally quite measured relative to THEIR rudeness - as they ignore > their own CRIMINAL rudeness. It is no excuse that MD-funded law enforcement > is ignoring MD criminal rudeness. See PTs/Dr. Laura/Edell to ask Atty Gen'l > Lockyer to stop the child abuse? > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=632700695 > Lori continued... > >>>><<<<If you want people to pay attention to the URL's you insist we all > read, you'll at least excerpt them to the point that we get your gist > without constantly clicking. Excerpt them and then provide the link, 'k?<<<< > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658727822 > ############ The links I supply generally support what I've just said - I > supply them so that people who do not believe me can verify my facts by > going to the links. This keeps the questions down to a minimum and makes my > posts "stand-alone" - some people post my posts to their websites. With > links, interested persons can verify my work without having to e-mail me - > though I welcome inquiries... > ############ Also, excerpting makes my posts longer...but I sometimes do it > anyway. > >>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed [Todd] insisted anything. i thought everyone > was at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< > ############ This is an EXCELLENT observation! At the very least, people > can delete my posts (and delete posts on threads in which I am being > discussed. It is best, though, if people who do not wish to read me just > filter me. I am NOT (as JC and Alison Finkelstein allege; see below) > changing my e-mail address to evade filters! I never have and never will. > Again quoting Ilena, > >>>><<<<hmmm, i never noticed he insisted anything. i thought everyone was > at choice what they read or not. hmmmm<<<< > >>>><<<<Oh, God, don't tell him THAT! His posts are long and cryptic enough > as it is, and he pays no attention to suggestions/requests that he structure > them differently.<<<< > ############# Ilena may tell me (or say about me) whatever she wishes! (Of > course, as is evidenced on this thread, so may everyone else! No one needs > permission to trash Gastaldo!) > ############# Earth to Pallas! (Maybe someone will quote this back and you > will open that post.) Here is what I am insisting! I am insisting that it > is everyone's job to help the helpless - but Ilena is right - it is indeed > everyone's choice whether to read my posts... > ############# Also, my posts are indeed long; but they are NOT "cryptic" - > at least not intentionally so. > ############# Besides, Pallas, you likely *would not know* if I had > paid attention to recent suggestions that I structure my posts differently > because you now filter me - or rather - you recently strongly inferred you > wanted to start filtering me... See below. > >>>><<<<Just killfile him like everyone else.<<<< > ############## Everyone else does NOT killfile me! > the outset that I NEVER filter Todd's posts. I just hit the delete key > when I get down a half page or so, and I still can't > figure out what he is saying...[snip]...Good luck, and may you accomplish > your grand mission, (I actually believe the work you are trying to do is > important)" > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658223127 > JC continued... > >>>><<<<You are wasting your time reading his diatribe...<<< > ############# In a sense, I agree with JC here. Once my "diatribe" is > grokked, it is a waste of time reading me further. > ############# I'm wondering though... > ############# Is JC saying MDs are NOT lying? > ############# Is JC saying that mothers and babies are NOT suffering en > masse and sometimes dying - senselessly - at the hands of MDs? > ############# I ask because I'm wondering why she thinks me a "psycho" (see > below)... > ############# I must acknowledge that JC is not the first person to > publicly indicate that I am "psycho" for persistently protesting MD lies and > MD inflicted mass human suffering... > See... > FOX PICTURE!!! > http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/doc1.htm > Explanation > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=606689611 > See also "Todd Boycott" busted! Gastaldo commits suicide! > http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=637535433 > ############# JC concludes... > >>>><<<<I consider him a troll.<<<< > ############# I sincerely believe 100% of babies would WANT me to be a > "troll" until the MD lies are exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human > suffering stops! > >>>><<<<I am getting frustrated because I keep on kill filing him and he > keeps changing his email address.<<<<< http://x74.deja.com/threadmsg_ct.xp?thitnum=7&mhitnum=5&CONTEXT=96643... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > 33697324 > ############# This is a falsehood! There was a "Fake Todd" posting as > ############# Alison: Please publicly post the messages which you believe > demonstrate that I "keep changing my email address." I want to stop - or > at least identify - anyone pretending to be me. Hopefully, you do too. > Alison continued... > >>>><<<<I am grouchy lately as it is and...<<<< > ############# I am sorry to hear that Alison is grouchy; but I am NOT > changing my e-mail address to evade her filtration! > Alison continues... > >>>><<<<...seeing his posts just make me more annoyed...<<<< > ############# Alison: If you are reading: Use that delete key until we > figure out who the new (?) "Fake Todd" is... > Alison concludes... > >>>><<<<If he sees no one listens to him why does he still insist on posting > here?<<<< > ############# This is another falsehood - an echo of JC > killfile him like everyone else." I say again: Every does NOT killfile me. > See quote from Larry McMahan above. (NOTE: I do NOT rule out the > possibility that everyone might killfile me in the future; but hopefully by > then the MD lies will have been exposed and the MD-inflicted mass human > suffering will have ended...) > ############# JC wrote that I still insist on posting here, > >>>><<<<Because people read his posts and make the mistake of talking to him > like a SANE person!<<<< > ############# JC is not the first to call me "insane" for persisently > protesting MD-lies and MD inflicted mass human suffering. See FOX PICTURE > and "Todd boycott busted" URLs below.... > ############# JC now embellishes Alison's falsehood about me changing my > e-mail address: > >>>><<<< I know what you mean about him changing his address- it might be > because he is getting kicked off ISP's but I can't be certain.<<<< > ############# Alison and JC: PLEASE post the messages which you believe > demonstrate that I have been changing my e-mail address. Last year, I had > to change my e-mail address because Aaron A. Fox, PhD ... read more »
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#10 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness
Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT

Mintlatt #11 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness misc.kids.pregnancy. Which illustrates the problem with cross posting. KarenM. Quote: > , if you'd ever bother to read > anyone's posts but your own, at least in mkp since I don't subscribe to the > other newsgroups, > wht's mkp mean?
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#12 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness
Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT

Hilber #13 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Why did you think this appropriate??? What does my career have to do with any of this? Leslie Hilbert see below for complete ID Quote: > Leslie Hilbert > Assoc. Dir. > ADMISSIONS AND UNDERGRADUATE > RECRUITMENT > Spruce Hall, 0015 > FAX 491-7799 > www.colostate.edu
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Palla #14 / 15	Why Todd 'trolls'/Alison Finkelstein's falsehood/Criminal rudeness Why do you expect appropriate behavior from him at all? Come on, folks, this guy feeds off your attention, even (maybe especially) negative attention. He becomes even more strident and annoying when someone criticizes him, and yet is unwilling to make any of the (non-philisophical) changes requested of him. He behaves like a toddler with a good vocabulary, and every time he sees you looking his way the tantrums start again. Put him in time-out and have done with it. And you know, I'm just curious as to why he posts here -- seems like he's singin' to the choir. Is there ANYONE here who thinks that birthing flat on your back is a stellar idea? I keep seeing posts amongst us giving Lengthy, Detailed Advice on how to avoid that very situation! But I s'pose it's more melodramatic for him to think that he's The Lone Crusader, Persecuted for His Beliefs. Truth is, I suspect that if we took a vote, most people here on mkp would actually agree with him on that subject. The critical posts I see are from people offended by his inconsiderate style (like posting all your info, Leslie -- I agree, how was that relevant?) and his condescending tone. Don't argue with him. It's like arguing with a cult member -- they don't even hear your voice, only their own. Pallas (what an image! a two-year-old cult member!) Quote: > Why did you think this appropriate??? What does my career have to do with > any of this? > Leslie Hilbert > see below for complete ID > > Leslie Hilbert > > Assoc. Dir. > > ADMISSIONS AND UNDERGRADUATE > > RECRUITMENT > > Spruce Hall, 0015 > > FAX 491-7799 > > www.colostate.edu -- Irony: Bill Gates claims to be making a stable Operating System, and Linus Torvalds claims to be taking over the world.
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