Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness? 
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 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?

We have filed over 144 claims made by people that state magnets help cure
them of their ailments.

The most common claim is that by putting a magnet over a strained muscle
it will repair or re-condition the muscle. Magnets are common and can be
purchased anywhere, you should be able to treat yourself for just a few
dollars.

Magnets, when applied are claimed by the statements that we have received
to positively affect the following:

Arthritis
Back Pain
Bursitis
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Chronic Fatigue
Degenerative Nerve Disorder
Diabetes
Diarreha
Epilepsy
Sore Feet
Gout
Headaches
Insomnia

and many more.

INTERESTINGLY, we conducted an informal study with a test group and found
that by applying magnets 90% of the people in the group claimed total
releif from their symptoms.

The test group reported that Magnets will cure

Insomnia
Headaches
Back Pain
Arthritis

Another set of reports examined claimed that magnets cures peoples pets of
arthritis, what we found facinating was that animals cannot be influenced
into accepting the placibo effect (i.e. if you think it will work then it
should).
WE beleive that the animals provide the strongest evidence that magnets
are theraputically beneficial.

If you have had experience with magnets improving health, or any comments

We would be alos happy to answer any questions concerning our findings.

Thank You

Andrew McTaggart



Mon, 22 Dec 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?
We have filed over 144 claims made by people that state magnets help cure
them of their ailments.

The most common claim is that by putting a magnet over a strained muscle
it will repair or re-condition the muscle. Magnets are common and can be
purchased anywhere, you should be able to treat yourself for just a few
dollars.

Magnets, when applied are claimed by the statements that we have received
to positively affect the following:

Arthritis
Back Pain
Bursitis
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Chronic Fatigue
Degenerative Nerve Disorder
Diabetes
Diarreha
Epilepsy
Sore Feet
Gout
Headaches
Insomnia

and many more.

INTERESTINGLY, we conducted an informal study with a test group and found
that by applying magnets 90% of the people in the group claimed total
releif from their symptoms.

The test group reported that Magnets will cure

Insomnia
Headaches
Back Pain
Arthritis

Another set of reports examined claimed that magnets cures peoples pets of
arthritis, what we found facinating was that animals cannot be influenced
into accepting the placibo effect (i.e. if you think it will work then it
should).
WE beleive that the animals provide the strongest evidence that magnets
are theraputically beneficial.

If you have had experience with magnets improving health, or any comments

We would be alos happy to answer any questions concerning our findings.

Thank You

Andrew McTaggart



Mon, 22 Dec 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?

Quote:
> We have filed over 144 claims made by people that state magnets help cure
> them of their ailments.
> The most common claim is that by putting a magnet over a strained muscle
> it will repair or re-condition the muscle. Magnets are common and can be
> purchased anywhere, you should be able to treat yourself for just a few
> dollars.
> Magnets, when applied are claimed by the statements that we have received
> to positively affect the following:

[list of ailments and mistaken logic on placebo effect snipped]

For a more scientific approach to mesmerism (the belief that magnets
can cure things) see the opera Cosi Fan Tutte by W A Mozart.

How come my patients that I send for MRI scans where they are exposed
to a magnetic field of intense force never come back saying that they
have been cured of various rheumatic ailes?

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| New Zealand.                   /\(_/  |

|  +64 7 839 8779 (fax)        (_/      |  obquote "Cymru am byth"



Thu, 25 Dec 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?

Quote:

> We have filed over 144 claims made by people that state magnets help cure
> them of their ailments......

Placebos cure 30% of people.

Quote:
> INTERESTINGLY, we conducted an informal study with a test group and found
> that by applying magnets 90% of the people in the group claimed total
> releif from their symptoms.

Informal studies are rarely worth the paper or {*filter*}space they are stored
on.  Formal studies which have been conducted well enough to be accepted
by refereed journals would probably show something entirely different.  

The very fact that magnets are supposed to "cure" such a wide range of
things should make all but the credulous suspicious.

Quote:
> Another set of reports examined claimed that magnets cures peoples pets of
> arthritis, what we found facinating was that animals cannot be influenced
> into accepting the placibo effect (i.e. if you think it will work then it
> should).

Well, at least magnets are only claimed to cure _one_ disorder in pets.  
Nevertheless, without the details of the reports the claim remains
completely unreliable and unsubstantiated.

The reports are worthless unless they can provide satisfactory answers to
questions like the following:

How was it determined that the pet had arthritus in the first place?  Was
the person professionally qualified to make that decision?  How was it
determined that the pet had been cured of arthritus?  Was the person
professionally qualified to make that decision?  How was it determined
that the magnets were the only thing which could possibly have effected
the change?  Were the pets treated in some other manner which might have
affected their condition?  Did the pets have a form of arthritus which
regularly subsides?  Was there a control group of pets with similar
problems and an identical environment which were treated with iron which
was not magnetised?  Did the people making the observations know which
iron was magnetised and which was not?

This sounds like a project for some hapless student of Vetinary Science to
undertake, if it hasn't been done already.  The results are likely to be a
lot more believable, but probably a lot less sensational, than the
"reports" mentioned above.  But then I suppose sensationalism is far more
attractive to someone from the media world [Andrew McTaggart

If it should happen that you really _are_ interested in whether magnets
have any therapeutic usefulness then I suggest you do a bit of scholarly
research.  Go to a university library and do a computerised literature
search in the medical and vetinary areas for articles on the therapeutic
use of magnetism. To start with you will find a description of Charcot's
"animal magnetism" which was one of the early influences on Sigmund Freud's
theories.  Next you'll find references to the current techniques of
magnetic resonance imaging.  I think you will decide that these are not
relevant.

There may, however, be some articles of interest in the physiotherapy
literature.  If you find any here, or you find other reputable
articles on the subject, then please post their titles and abstracts to
this forum as soon as possible.  Don't limit yourself just to articles
which support the reports you have received.  That is academic dishonesty.

It shouldn't take you more than a week or so to collect the evidence.
Then we can start to evaluate it properly and you will have a better
understanding of how to usefully continue with your enquiry.

If you don't hear from you shortly with such a list then we will probably
all assume that you are a charleton :-)

- Rosemary

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Fri, 26 Dec 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?
Rosemary L.: Interesting thread, this one! I have a friend who is
heavily into the idea that static magnetics provides relief from pain,
discomfort, and you name what else. My own contention is that none
of the magnetic-enthusiasts claims are backed up by scientific evidence.
Those folks who are into this stuff believe that you can stick a magnet
atop a hurting place on your body and it will feel better. They sell
each other magnets of many sizes and shapes, including magnets imbedded
into chair cushions and sleeping mats. Some of the magnets they use
are reasonably powerful, for I saw where a magnet applied to a person's

back produced magnetic fields that could be monitored from in front of
the person's chest. I have also read an adverti{*filter*}t that claimed that
the use of magnets on and about the body influences circulation due
to supposed magnetic effects on red {*filter*} cells, presumab3?*ly because those contain iron compounds

I'd like to learn more about this subject and look forward to more
postings here. In the meantime, it seems to me that these magnetically
induced cures and pain reliefs are plain silly.




Quote:
>The very fact that magnets are supposed to "cure" such a wide range of
>things should make all but the credulous suspicious.
>Well, at least magnets are only claimed to cure _one_ disorder in pets.  
>Nevertheless, without the details of the reports the claim remains
>completely unreliable and unsubstantiated.



Fri, 26 Dec 1997 03:00:00 GMT
 Medical Magnets/ Magnets Cure Illness?

Quote:

> Rosemary L.: Interesting thread, this one! I have a friend who is
> heavily into the idea that static magnetics provides relief from pain,
> discomfort, and you name what else. My own contention is that none
> of the magnetic-enthusiasts claims are backed up by scientific evidence.
> Those folks who are into this stuff believe that you can stick a magnet
> atop a hurting place on your body and it will feel better. They sell
> each other magnets of many sizes and shapes, including magnets imbedded
> into chair cushions and sleeping mats. Some of the magnets they use
> are reasonably powerful, for I saw where a magnet applied to a person's

 I was talking to a working associate yesterday and he told be that his
bone spurs (pain from them) were greatly helped by a strong magnet placed
at the rear of his shoe. He took off his shoe and showed me the magnet.
Also, pain from a disc problem in his neck was helped with magnets. He has
had 2 operations on this problem. At $18 per magnet, maybe worth a try.
His wife is a RN and sells them along with other medical aids. I do know
that this man has suffered greatly from pain and I would tend to believe
him if he says that it works, at least for him.

Cecil Williams
Sugar Land, TX



Tue, 06 Jan 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 
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