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Archimedes Plutoniu #1 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
Archimedes Plutonium may have written: |I never had athletes foot fungus in all of my life. But I have had |the worrisome problem of keeping the ear wax at a tolerable buildup |level. Okay. |Did the Iceman of Otzi Austrian Alps have any earwax or hearing |problem?? Well, that is an interesting question. We know that the Iceman thawed and refroze a handful of times. He lost his hair during that time. But wax is a substance that lasts longer than skin, and yet - of course - the Iceman's skin is well preserved. My best bet is that what little wax he produced was relevant to his immediate survival. (Shall we ponder why so many modern Euro males have subcutaneous oil-producing glands that produce sebaceous oils and waxes - also known as sebum - and these glands are notoriously prone to inflammation and infection by the acne bacterium?) Of the 5 senses, a person is extremely vulnerable to earwax problems. What I mean is that earwax buildup takes special skill and modern amenities to remove without damaging the sense organ. So as we go back in time, loss of hearing by early humans must have been a weakpoint in the survival of many. I suspect the average lifespan of early humans was around 30 years but in those 30 years loss of hearing due to earwax and attempts to remove it by forcing sticks into the ear must have been painful I remember seeing on a Viking program of a archaeology dig in Ireland where a silver ear wax remover implement was discovered. Apparently by the metal age humans were routinely sticking metal into their ears to remove earwax. I see earwax, unlike the other four senses, as posing a threat to early man in that by the age of 20 or 30 his/her hearing would go. Now a question: An evolutionary question that a medical doctor must answer. Question: is picking the nose an evolutionary demand or does the lung nasal system want us to never pick the nose in that the nose cleans itself? Can a human live a full life without ever picking the nose or will he/she quickly die? This relates to the earwax problem. Perhaps it is not a problem at all and that the buildup of earwax will self-clean out of the ear after months of discomfort. I do not know, let us see if the medical science community can tell us what is kosher about earwax and nose-picking.
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Sun, 06 Jul 2003 04:49:10 GMT |
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Uncle A #2 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
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Sun, 06 Jul 2003 05:15:24 GMT |
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Matthew Montchali #3 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
|Of the 5 senses, a person is extremely vulnerable to earwax problems. A problem with any of the 5 senses is a serious one. |What I mean is that earwax buildup takes special skill and modern |amenities to remove without damaging the sense organ. So as we go back |in time, loss of hearing by early humans must have been a weakpoint in |the survival of many. Why, certainly. And the same thing can be said about loss of sight (blindness), or loss of taste or smell (people eat stuff that poisons them and kills them), or far worse, loss of touch (leprosy). Although the loss of a sense is serious, you haven't provided me with any statistical information to indicate that earwax is a problem with most humans. A good many of us have absolutely no wax buildup, and I can make that statement from personal observation.
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Sun, 06 Jul 2003 07:32:51 GMT |
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Steve Shor #4 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
I have quite often heard the saying: 'mind your own beeswax" (e.g. a common saying of 'Hawkeye' in MASH). But in my 52 years on this planet (well mostly on it - allowing for a hazy period between about 1964 and 1972 I couldn't swear to), I have not yet heard of 'mind your own earwax'!! I think I shall now email Ruby Waks (Wax?) and suggest a new topic for her tele-docos! I am sure the previous posters could 'wax eloquent' on the subject for her :) :) :) ;) Now who in this group knows (nose?) a lot about the arcane pleasures of manual exploration/cleaning of the nasal organ?? -- Dr Steve Short Ecoengineers Pty Ltd P O Box 161 Helensburgh New South Wales Australia 2508 Tel: 61242944652 Fax: 61242941948
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> |Of the 5 senses, a person is extremely vulnerable to earwax problems. > A problem with any of the 5 senses is a serious one. > |What I mean is that earwax buildup takes special skill and modern > |amenities to remove without damaging the sense organ. So as we go back > |in time, loss of hearing by early humans must have been a weakpoint in > |the survival of many. > Why, certainly. And the same thing can be said about loss of sight > (blindness), or loss of taste or smell (people eat stuff that poisons > them and kills them), or far worse, loss of touch (leprosy). > Although the loss of a sense is serious, you haven't provided me with > any statistical information to indicate that earwax is a problem with > most humans. A good many of us have absolutely no wax buildup, and I > can make that statement from personal observation.
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Mon, 07 Jul 2003 05:57:24 GMT |
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Archimedes Plutoniu #6 / 15
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> Now who in this group knows (nose?) a lot about the arcane pleasures of > manual exploration/cleaning of the nasal organ?? > -- > Dr Steve Short > Ecoengineers Pty Ltd
I brought up nose-picking as a result of talking about the evolutionary earwax buildup problem. Are humans the only animals to pick noses to clean? What if we never picked our nose to clean, does our body cleanse the nose by itself? Same question with earwax buildup. Are we really suppose to let the earwax somehow, no matter how much buildup sort of come out by itself? Perhaps the nose and ear were never evolutionary-designed for cleaning-probing but for self cleaning considering that all other animal species rely on self cleaning. Or rather, it is a evolution advantage on our species that we probe-clean both our ears and nose. Maybe the medical doctors can tell us of experiments where a group never finger probes the nose or ears for cleaning compares to the opposite. Perhaps our little finger was a product of evolution just for this purpose of nose-picking and ear cleaning and thus an Advantage.
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Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:26:52 GMT |
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Joshua E Milla #7 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
Quote: >I brought up nose-picking as a result of talking about the evolutionary earwax >buildup problem. >Are humans the only animals to pick noses to clean?
I'm gonna guess the answer is yes. Humans are arguably the only animals that worry a great deal about their appearance. If you don't pick your nose (or blow it into a tissue/hankie/whatever), it's likely that it'll just sort of dribble out of your nose eventually. Functionally not a problem, but humans (often) react badly to boogers on faces. -- +---+ With great effort, you move the boulder. ################ |..$| # Josh Millard #
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Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:54:05 GMT |
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Gregory L. Hans #8 / 15
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>> Now who in this group knows (nose?) a lot about the arcane pleasures of >> manual exploration/cleaning of the nasal organ?? >> -- >> Dr Steve Short >> Ecoengineers Pty Ltd >I brought up nose-picking as a result of talking about the evolutionary earwax >buildup problem. >Are humans the only animals to pick noses to clean? >What if we never picked our nose to clean, does our body cleanse the nose by >itself? Same question with earwax buildup. Are we really suppose to let the >earwax somehow, no matter how much buildup sort of come out by itself?
I don't know if we're the only animals to pick our noses, maybe monkeys and other animals with hands also will. But every animal with a nose will clear it. A cat with a stuffed up nose will sneeze, spraying boogers on blankets and nearby faces, and then clean herself up the kitty cat way. But sometimes a nose blow just won't get the crusty stuff out. At least not until after one spends fif{*filter*} minutes biking in cold weather, and gets watery mucous running to clear the gunk out. Heigene is not uniquely human. Quote: >Perhaps the nose and ear were never evolutionary-designed for cleaning-probing >but for self cleaning considering that all other animal species rely on self >cleaning. Or rather, it is a evolution advantage on our species that we >probe-clean both our ears and nose. >Maybe the medical doctors can tell us of experiments where a group never finger >probes the nose or ears for cleaning compares to the opposite. Perhaps our >little finger was a product of evolution just for this purpose of nose-picking >and ear cleaning and thus an Advantage.
In the story of Chaka, I learned that the people of the region make nose picks, which I assume reach in farther than fingers can. -- "'No user-serviceable parts inside.' I'll be the judge of that!"
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Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:46:02 GMT |
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Matthew Montchali #10 / 15
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||Of the 5 senses, a person is extremely vulnerable to earwax problems. Some Vitamin 'A' derivatives are useful in regulating the body's oil and wax production. Have you asked your doctor about the topical application of Retin A on or in your ears to get them to dry out?
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Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:45:40 GMT |
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT |
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James T #12 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:26:52 -0600, Archimedes Plutonium Quote:
>What if we never picked our nose to clean, does our body cleanse the nose by >itself? Same question with earwax buildup. Are we really suppose to let the >earwax somehow, no matter how much buildup sort of come out by itself?
I don't know about the nose, but I do know that the ear is self-cleansing. A bunch of interested scientists squirted a dye into earwax and charted the progresss. After 3 days, the first inklings of dye was visible in the external ear. There are tiny hairs in the ear c{*filter*}which waft the wax along to the external ear to drop out. The wax is only secreted by the cells around the ear drum so a system is needed to move it out of the deeper recesses of the outer ear. That's why if you ask a ENTologist, they will tell you that using cotton buds and such to clean your ear is a useless effort and also does more harm than good (it damages those tiny hairs). That's the story they tell us in medical school at least. For the nose, I presume, it just gets snorted up into the throat, but that's a wild guess. Another interesting factlet (or urban legend), supposedly the colour of your earwax is reflective of your general body odour (the more intense the colour, the stronger the acridity of your 'scent').
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Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:08:38 GMT |
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Archimedes Plutoniu #13 / 15
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Quote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:26:52 -0600, Archimedes Plutonium
> >What if we never picked our nose to clean, does our body cleanse the nose by > >itself? Same question with earwax buildup. Are we really suppose to let the > >earwax somehow, no matter how much buildup sort of come out by itself? > I don't know about the nose, but I do know that the ear is > self-cleansing. A bunch of interested scientists squirted a dye into > earwax and charted the progresss. After 3 days, the first inklings of > dye was visible in the external ear. There are tiny hairs in the ear > c{*filter*}which waft the wax along to the external ear to drop out. The > wax is only secreted by the cells around the ear drum so a system is > needed to move it out of the deeper recesses of the outer ear. That's > why if you ask a ENTologist, they will tell you that using cotton buds > and such to clean your ear is a useless effort and also does more harm > than good (it damages those tiny hairs). That's the story they tell > us in medical school at least. > For the nose, I presume, it just gets snorted up into the throat, but > that's a wild guess. > Another interesting factlet (or urban legend), supposedly the colour > of your earwax is reflective of your general body odour (the more > intense the colour, the stronger the acridity of your 'scent').
Thanks for this information. I do recall now, way back when I was in High School physiology of learning about ear hairs that provide that function. A case of knowledge already learned but not on the front of my mind until you "re-opened" that learned knowledge. Now I wonder if these special hairs can be found in the human genome project of hairs with a special duty in that they are found in the ear and nose and their "purpose" is to remove excess ear wax or remove dirt from the nose cavity? I wonder if in the distant future we can engineer the lung to clean itself out much better than our present condition. Perhaps in the far distant future we can bio-tech the outer skin with a form of hair that almost automatically cleans itself. the only cost would be that we drink more water during the course of the day, but what a difference of say having to drink 2 pints more water rather than 2 gallons to bathe oneself. Just some ideas that spring to mind. Tell me, do these specialized hairs in the ear have a special name and have they been analyzed in detail as to what distinguishes them from other hairs of the body. A hair on the head seems to not have special functions but that hairs in the ear have this special functions and duties.
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Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:36:56 GMT |
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Eric Luca #14 / 15
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> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:26:52 -0600, Archimedes Plutonium
> > >What if we never picked our nose to clean, does our body cleanse the nose by > > >itself? Same question with earwax buildup. Are we really suppose to let the > > >earwax somehow, no matter how much buildup sort of come out by itself?
My cats (and every other non-hominid mammal of which I am aware) do. If Archie Poo can't, then perhaps he's one of those who was intended by nature to die of a fatal buildup of earwax. Evolution in action, ya know? Eric Lucas
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Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:17:34 GMT |
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Uncle A #15 / 15
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 Earwax buildup and nose-picking in terms of Evolution
[snip] Nothing.
(Usenet central kill engine) (What follows was cribbed from Kibo, who was here before all.) Archie-Poo was a cashier and then a dishwasher. He started at Dartmouth's Hanover Inn about 1990 (his previous employer was a relative of the manager of the Inn so he got a good reference, he's said) and about 1993 started posting to various sci.* newsgroups. He maintains he took the job at Dartmouth (paying $7/hour when the relationship ended in 1999) to get access to Dartmouth's campus computers, which is odd because he took the job about three years before he discovered the the campus computers. He was "Ludwig Plutonium" when he started posting in 1993; previously he was "Ludwig van Ludvig" and before that "Ludwig Hansen" [adopted name] and "Ludwig Poehlmann" [birth name]. When he posted about a run-in with some cops it was clear that the "legal" name changes he effected weren't effective, because the cops looked him up as "Ludwig Hansen". He is also struts as "The King Of Science And Logic," a title he awarded himself. Archie-Poo's hot topics include (a) he invented spaghetti, (b) Allen Greenspan controls OPEC's oil price increases, (c) he's trying to install three wood stoves in his "homestead", and (d) he likes candy of various kinds. (d) seems to be the one he comes back to the most. Around 1998 he explained that the fact that he had a craving for shredded coconut proved his theory that the Universe was a giant plutonium atom that was making him superintelligent because the center of his brain also contains a plutonium atom, unlike the rest of us who have a carbon atom at the center of our brains. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal/ (Toxic URLs! Unsafe for children and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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