Burzynski's "Antineoplastons"
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Josh Schwimm #1 / 20
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I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable responses of his subjects during clinical trials. What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a treatment that didn't seem promising. Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated. -- Joshua Schwimmer
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Sun, 08 Oct 1995 11:16:24 GMT |
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<IC.. #2 / 20
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A good source of information on Burzynski's method is in *The Cancer Industry* by pulitzer-prize nominee Ralph Moss. Also, a non-profit organization called "People Against Cancer," which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry, but which have shown highly promising results (all of which are non-toxic). Anyone interested in cancer therapy should contact this organi- zation ASAP: People Against Cancer PO Box 10 Otho IA 50569-0010 (515)972-4444 FAX (515)972-4415 peace greg nigh
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Sun, 08 Oct 1995 22:54:32 GMT |
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David E. Sche #3 / 20
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Quote: >I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he >claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- >cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his >work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable >responses of his subjects during clinical trials. >What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He >paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an >intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge >his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of >Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's >work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a >treatment that didn't seem promising. >Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current >status of his research would be appreciated. >-- >Joshua Schwimmer
There's been extensive discussion on the CompuServe Cancer Forum about Dr. Burzynski's treatment as a result of the decision of a forum member's father to undertake his treatment for brain glioblastoma. This disease is universally and usually rapidly fatal. After diagnosis in June 1992, the tumor was growing rapidly despite radiation and chemotherapy. The forum member checked extensively on Dr. Burzynki's track record for this disease. He spoke to a few patients in complete remission for a few years from glioblastoma following this treatment and to an NCI oncologist who had audited other such case histories and found them valid and impressive. After the forum member's father began Dr. Burzynski's treatment in September, all subsequent scans performed under the auspices of his oncologist in Chicago have shown no tumor growth with possible signs of shrinkage or necrosis. The patient's oncologist, although telling him he would probably not live past December 1992, was vehemently opposed to his trying Dr. Burzynski's treatment. Since the tumor stopped its rapid growth under Dr. Burzynski's treatment, she's since changed her attitude toward continuing these treatments, saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Dr. Burzynski is an M.D., Ph.D. with a research background who found a protein that is at very low serum levels in cancer patients, synthesized it, and administers it to patients with certain cancer types. There is little understanding of the actual mechanism of activity. /*********************************************************************/ /* --- David E. Scheim --- */ /* BITNET: none */
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Mon, 09 Oct 1995 20:55:38 GMT |
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Scott Ballanty #4 / 20
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Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated. Burzynski's work is not too promising. None of his A-1 through A-5 antineoplastons have been shown to have antineoplastic effects against experimental cancer. The NCI conducted tests of A-2 and A-5 against leukemia in mice, with the result that doses high enough to produce toxic effects in the mice were not effective in inhibiting the growth of the tumor or killing it. (These were in 1983 and 1985) Burzynski claims that A-10 is the active factor common to all of A-1 and A-5 (something which he has not shown, A-10 has only been extracted from A-2. He also hasn't shown that A-1 through A-5 are actually distinct substances). The NCI conducted a series of tests using A-10 against a standard panel of tumors that included different cell lines from tumors in the following classes: leukemia, non-small-cell and small-cell lung cancer, colon cancer, cancer of the central nervous system, melanoma, ovarian cancer and renal cancer. A-10 exhibited neither growth inhibition nor cytotoxicity at the dose levels tested. It is necessary to process A-10 since it is not soluble (Burzynski's theory requires soluble agents), but this basically hydrolizes it to PAG (which he calls AS 2.5). PAG is not an information carrying peptide, something which Byrzynski claims is necessary for antineoplastic activity. AS 2.1 (also derived from A-10) is a 4:1 mixture of PA and PAG. PA (also not a peptide) can be purchased at a chemical supply houses for about $0.09 a gram. A-10 is chemically extremely similar to glutithamide and thalidomide, both of which are habit forming and can cause peripheral neuropathy. The {*filter*} effects of thalidomide are widely known. In spite of this similarity, A-10 does not appear to have been tested for it's potential to induce teratogenicity or peripheral neuropathy. Many of Burzynski's statements about the origin of his theory, early research, past and present support by others for his work have been shown to be untrue. sdb ---
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Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:47:52 GMT |
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Scott Ballanty #5 / 20
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A good source of information on Burzynski's method is in *The Cancer Industry* by pulitzer-prize nominee Ralph Moss. Interesting. What book got Moss the pulitzer nomination? None of the flyers for his books mention this, and none of the Cancer Chronicle Newsletters that I have mention this either. Also, a non-profit organization called "People Against Cancer," which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry, but which have shown highly promising results (all of which are non-toxic). Moss is People Against Cancer's Director of Communications. People Against Cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information, not exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to. Most (maybe all) of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer, and many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well. sdb ---
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Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:01:40 GMT |
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<IC.. #6 / 20
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>Moss is People Against Cancer's Director of Communications. People >Against Cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information, not >exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to.
And where do you advise people to turn for cancer information? Most Quote: >(maybe all) of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern >treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer, and >many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well.
It seems to me you've offered a circular refutation of Moss's organization. Who has shown the information in the latest book of PAC to be questionable? Could it be those 'regulatory' agencies and medical industries which Moss is showing to be operating with *major* vested interests. Whether one believes that these vested interests are real or not, or whether or not they actually shape medical research is a seperate argument. If one sees a possibility, however, that these interests exist, then the 'fact' that some of the information put out by PAC has been refuted by the medical industry doesn't hold much weight. As for the ineffectiveness of antineoplasteons, the fact that the NIH didn't find them effective doesn't make much sense here. Of course they didn't! I tend to have more faith in the word of the patients who are now alive after being told years ago that they would be dead of cancer soon. They are fighting like hell to keep that clinic open, and they credit his treatment with their survival. Anyone who looks at the NIH's record for investigation of 'alterna- tive' cancer therapies will easily see that they have a strange knack for find- ing relatively cheap and nontoxic therapies dangerous or useless. gn
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Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:00:54 GMT |
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David E. Sche #7 / 20
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Quote: >distinct substances). The NCI conducted a series of tests using A-10 >against a standard panel of tumors that included different cell lines >from tumors in the following classes: leukemia, non-small-cell and >small-cell lung cancer, colon cancer, cancer of the central nervous >system, melanoma, ovarian cancer and renal cancer. A-10 exhibited >neither growth inhibition nor cytotoxicity at the dose levels tested.
My only knowledge of Dr. Burzynski's approach comes from the clinical results of glioblastoma multiforme, as discussed in depth on the CompuServe Cancer Forum during the course of a search for treatment options for the case of a members father who's tumor was rapidly growing under radiation and chemotherapy and was given a few months to live last September. Since beginning Dr. Burzynski's treatment at that time, every subsequent scan conducted by independent radiologists and examined by his Chicago oncologist have shown no tumor growth with indications of small shrinkage. In the course of checking out this approach, the forum member spoke to other patients in long term complete remissions from gliobastoma multiforme and to an NCI oncologist who audited five such cases. Perhaps you believe that either Dr. Burzynski's or your own understanding of the mechanism of antineoplastins is sufficiently advanced such that you can dismiss this clinical record for a disease with 0% five-year survival under surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation on the basis of in vitro tests. Do you know that many alkylating agents such as ifosfamide only yield activity from metabolites and will show no activity in vitro? I would tend to put more weight upon clinical data and less on our professed understanding of the mechanisms of chemotherapy, advanced as they are. /*********************************************************************/ /* --- David E. Scheim --- */ /* BITNET: none */
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:57:14 GMT |
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Robert Greenste #8 / 20
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>Moss is People Against Cancer's Director of Communications. People >Against Cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information, not >exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to. Most >(maybe all) of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern >treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer, and >many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well.
So where is a cancer patient to turn for good information? I'll bet you suggest the American Cancer Society, aka THe American Death Society. IF you're going to criticize People Against Cancer, it would be helpful to describe the treatments they recommend and tell us why they are dangerous. I can't imagine any treatments more dangerous than conventional cancer "therapy". -- *************************************************************************** *** Robert Greenstein What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:03:40 GMT |
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Scott Ballanty #9 / 20
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And where do you advise people to turn for cancer information? The American Cancer Society is a good choice, the NCI is getting better at distributing public information. There are many other fine organizations (such as the candlelighters, specifically for children with cancer) that are far more trustworthy than Moss's group. It seems to me you've offered a circular refutation of Moss's organization. Who has shown the information in the latest book of PAC to be questionable? Could it be those 'regulatory' agencies and medical industries which Moss is showing to be operating with *major* vested interests. Of course, cancer researchers and their families never get cancer, so they are happily going along with the suppression of the 'true' cancer cures which only people who buy books like Moss's know about. Scientists aren't interested in things like the Nobel Prize, and drug companies aren't interested in selling {*filter*} --- why sell a drug when you can suppress it. Sounds like a great basis for a {*filter*}. On the other hand, Moss is a saint who isn't making a dime off of his books, the 'cancer tours', the stuff in the People Against Cancer Catalogue. And of course, the more people distrust scientific medicine, the more they will be inclined to purchase Moss's books --- I'm sure he is totally unaware of this fact, and therefore has no vested interest of his own in casting doubt on the good folks at the NCI. I tend to have more faith in the word of the patients who are now alive after being told years ago that they would be dead of cancer soon. They are fighting like hell to keep that clinic open, and they credit his treatment with their survival. You should have less faith in people who tell you they were cured by unconventional means. Often they never had cancer. Often they also had standard treatment in addition to the unconventional therapy, and often they are not actually cured. I'm not saying BRI patients fall into this all to typical pattern, I don't know. I do have to wonder why Byrzynski fibbed about other people duplicating his work and having succesful clinical trials. Anyone who looks at the NIH's record for investigation of 'alterna- tive' cancer therapies will easily see that they have a strange knack for finding relatively cheap and nontoxic therapies dangerous or useless. The interesting thing here is that almost none of the stuff in the PAC catalogue could be described as either nontoxic or cheap. As I pointed out (but you seem to have missed), Byrzynski's claimed active agent is extremely similar to both glutithamide and thalidomide, neither of which are non-toxic. sdb ---
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:43:45 GMT |
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Scott Ballanty #10 / 20
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I would tend to put more weight upon clinical data and less on our professed understanding of the mechanisms of chemotherapy, advanced as they are. I agree, and it would be wonderful if the current trials at the NCI were to indicate some progress in treating glioblastoma multiforme. Until these results are in, the clinical evidence is just as I stated, not too promising. I also don't think it is out of order to question what appears to be poor work and to point out that his theory is without experimental foundation. I think one might also be permitted to wonder why, if Burzynski's antineoplastons are as good as he claims, he finds it necessary to misrespresent the work of others to his favor. For example, BRI issued a press release stating that Sigma Tau, Italy's largest pharmaceutical firm felt the antineoplastons were suitable for cancer treatment and based on their present studies were about to allocate millions for clinical trials. In truth, Sigma Tau's in vitro and in vivo trials were not promising enough to even consider conducting human trials Sigma Tau stated that they informed Burzynski of this directly. There are other examples of this. If you are curious, you might wish to read Saul Greens article in JAMA Vol 267, No. 21, pg 2429. sdb
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:34:38 GMT |
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Scott Ballanty #11 / 20
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IF you're going to criticize People Against Cancer, it would be helpful to describe the treatments they recommend and tell us why they are dangerous. I can't imagine any treatments more dangerous than conventional cancer "therapy". Well, how about IAT? How many conventional cancer therapies can give you aids or hepatitis B or both? sdb ---
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:44:23 GMT |
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David E. Sche #12 / 20
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> I would tend to put more weight upon clinical data and less on our > professed understanding of the mechanisms of chemotherapy, advanced > as they are. >I agree, and it would be wonderful if the current trials at the NCI >were to indicate some progress in treating glioblastoma multiforme. >Until these results are in, the clinical evidence is just as I stated, >not too promising. I also don't think it is out of order to question >what appears to be poor work and to point out that his theory is >without experimental foundation. >I think one might also be permitted to wonder why, if Burzynski's >antineoplastons are as good as he claims, he finds it necessary to >misrespresent the work of others to his favor. For example, BRI issued >a press release stating that Sigma Tau, Italy's largest pharmaceutical >firm felt the antineoplastons were suitable for cancer treatment and >based on their present studies were about to allocate millions for >clinical trials. In truth, Sigma Tau's in vitro and in vivo trials >were not promising enough to even consider conducting human trials >Sigma Tau stated that they informed Burzynski of this directly. >There are other examples of this. If you are curious, you might wish >to read Saul Greens article in JAMA Vol 267, No. 21, pg 2429. >sdb
It is totally appropriate to question any treatment approach from any quarters whose professed results are very much better than average. Clearly, the final word on Dr. B.'s treatment is not yet in, and if the complete remissions for glioblastoma multiforme he has achieved are sustained and repeated, then the next question is clearly to determine mechanisms of activity. As long as data is intelligently discussed and considered, skepticism is an ally of the scientific method. I think such reasoned consideration of specific results as you have presented, rather than generalities about "traditional" or "alternative" characterizations, are most productive. -- David Scheim /*********************************************************************/ /* --- David E. Scheim --- */ /* BITNET: none */
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 22:12:49 GMT |
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Gordon Ban #13 / 20
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>you suggest the American Cancer Society, aka THe American Death Society. >IF you're going to criticize People Against Cancer, it would be helpful >to describe the treatments they recommend and tell us why they are >dangerous. I can't imagine any treatments more dangerous than >conventional cancer "therapy".
Many cancers are curable. I'll bet Mario Lamieux is glad he got conventional treatment for his rather than going to you for some chinese vegetable poultice or something. He's still playing better hockey than anyone else in the world right now or maybe ever. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
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Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:52:10 GMT |
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Robert Greenste #14 / 20
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>>you suggest the American Cancer Society, aka THe American Death Society. >>IF you're going to criticize People Against Cancer, it would be helpful >>to describe the treatments they recommend and tell us why they are >>dangerous. I can't imagine any treatments more dangerous than >>conventional cancer "therapy". >Many cancers are curable. I'll bet Mario Lamieux is glad he >got conventional treatment for his rather than going to you for >some chinese vegetable poultice or something. He's still playing >better hockey than anyone else in the world right now or maybe ever.
As I remember, Mario Lamieux has Hodgkins disease, right? Since he chose conventional treatment, he was very lucky he had Hodgkins, because this happens to be one of the *very few* cancers that is treated very successfully with conventional cancer therapy. -- *************************************************************************** *** Robert Greenstein What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
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Sun, 22 Oct 1995 23:13:35 GMT |
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Robert Greenste #15 / 20
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> IF you're going to criticize People Against Cancer, it would be helpful > to describe the treatments they recommend and tell us why they are > dangerous. I can't imagine any treatments more dangerous than > conventional cancer "therapy". >Well, how about IAT? How many conventional cancer therapies can give >you aids or hepatitis B or both?
How many documented cases are there of AIDS transmission via IAT therapy? -- *************************************************************************** *** Robert Greenstein What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
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Sun, 22 Oct 1995 23:15:32 GMT |
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