> Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> By David M. Phelps, Associate Editor
> Acton.org
> August 10, 2005

> Doctors have delivered a 1 lb. 13 oz. baby girl from
> Susan Torres, a pregnant woman from Arlington, {*filter*}ia
> who had been on life support for three months since a
> cancer-induced stroke left her brain-dead. At the request
> of Torress husband, doctors kept her body alive long
> enough for the child to have a chance of life outside the
> womb, carefully monitoring both patients to make sure the
> cancer did not spread to the developing baby. When the
> child was finally delivered, the family released a
> statement thanking God, and many hailed the birth a
> miracle.

> The faith of the family, the race against time, the
> coolheaded, sure-handed medical staff -- the story is
> nothing short of inspirational. But skeptics might wonder
> why God so often gets credit for the good work of trained
> physicians. Where is the line between thanking Providence
> and thanking Technology? In other words, are "miracles"
> such as the one in {*filter*}ia miracles of God or miracles
> of science?

> In the minds of many, there is a vague notion that
> somehow God and science are necessarily in competition.
> We see this opposition take form in the debates between
> creationism and evolution, between church and state,
> where faith is pitted against reason, the secular against
> the sacred. Why isnt this opposition more often
> transferred to our discussions of medicine as well?

> The reason may be that physicians recognize more readily
> the relationship between God and science. A recent study
> by the University of Chicago showed that seventy-six
> percent of physicians believe in God, and fifty-five
> percent say their faith influences their medical
> practice. It seems that the dichotomy between faith and
> science, while common in popular discourse, is not as
> popular as among doctors themselves.

> It is obvious that something great happened in {*filter*}ia
> and someone is to thank for it. But in matters such as
> this, we need not thank God to the exclusion of thanking
> the doctors, or vice versa. The work of doctors and the
> work of God are inextricably linked.

> We are, after all, created in the image of a creative
> God. We have reason, intelligence, creativity, and an
> inherently entrepreneurial approach to the mysteries of
> the world. We are Curious Georges who want not only to
> know how the big machine works, but how we can work the
> machine to serve ourselves and one another.

> This is exactly the nature of medicine. Medicine is a
> journey into the unknown, further up and further into the
> mysteries of life. Most doctors know that they do not
> have all the answers, and as the University of Chicago
> study shows, no one knows this better than the doctors
> themselves.

> It is an important truth that our creative acts,
> including our medical acts, are by nature derivative and
> collaborative. Doctors receive their talents from God,
> and insofar as their technological work cooperates with
> Gods work -- insofar as their goals are in keeping with
> Gods goals -- the thanks for technological miracle-working
> are rightly given both to God and to the physicians
> themselves.

> The key here is that when doctors employ their talents as
> they did recently in {*filter*}ia, they cooperate with God in
> the service of life. In essence, they collaborate with
> life; they do not control it and do not create it.
> (Notice that no one calls {*filter*} and euthanasia
> miracles of science.) It is telling that Torress
> doctor said it was "almost miraculous" that Torres made
> it as long as she did. Doctors simply dont know how
> things will turn out, and they know that they dont know
> it.

> So it should be no surprise that, by and large, doctors
> believe in God and practice accordingly. It should be no
> surprise that the term miracle is often used when
> speaking of successful, daring medical procedures. It
> should be no surprise that patients who receive state-of-
> the-art treatment from doctors thank God for it.

> Faith and reason, religion and science: we ought to stop
> framing these terms in the context of competition.
> Rather, they testify to a collaborative, communal
> relationship between God and man, and not to some falsely
> intrinsic opposition.

> David Michael Phelps is associate editor at the Acton
> Institute.

> http://www.***.com/

>  - - - - - - -

> Posted on 8/14/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by Brooklyn Kid

>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>  -To: Brooklyn Kid

> Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> science started lending God a hand.

> Posted on 8/14/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by mc6809e

>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>  -To: mc6809e

> > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > science started lending God a hand.

> Cure for leprosy from Leviticus 14

>  1 - Get two birds
>  2 - Kill one bird
>  3 - Dip live bird in {*filter*} of dead bird
>  4 - put {*filter*} on leper.
>  5 - release live bird
>  6 - kill lamb
>  7 - put lamb {*filter*} on lepers right ear, thumb and toe
>  8 - sprinkle leper with oil and putt a little on his
>         right rear, thumb and toe
>  9 - repeat (and rinse)
> 10 - kill two pigeons, one for holocaust and one for sin
> 11 - on the eighth day offer them (lamb and pigeons too I
>         think) to the priest at the tabernacle

> I'll skip the rest as it just gets sillier.

> Posted on 8/14/2005 1:33:59 PM PDT by ndt

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> The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

>      "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
> peace, but a sword.
>      "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
> daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
> law.
>      "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
>  - Matthew 10:34-36.

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> > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > By David M. Phelps, Associate Editor
> > Acton.org
> > August 10, 2005

> > Doctors have delivered a 1 lb. 13 oz. baby girl from
> > Susan Torres, a pregnant woman from Arlington, {*filter*}ia
> > who had been on life support for three months since a
> > cancer-induced stroke left her brain-dead. At the request
> > of Torress husband, doctors kept her body alive long
> > enough for the child to have a chance of life outside the
> > womb, carefully monitoring both patients to make sure the
> > cancer did not spread to the developing baby. When the
> > child was finally delivered, the family released a
> > statement thanking God, and many hailed the birth a
> > miracle.

> > The faith of the family, the race against time, the
> > coolheaded, sure-handed medical staff -- the story is
> > nothing short of inspirational. But skeptics might wonder
> > why God so often gets credit for the good work of trained
> > physicians. Where is the line between thanking Providence
> > and thanking Technology? In other words, are "miracles"
> > such as the one in {*filter*}ia miracles of God or miracles
> > of science?

> > In the minds of many, there is a vague notion that
> > somehow God and science are necessarily in competition.
> > We see this opposition take form in the debates between
> > creationism and evolution, between church and state,
> > where faith is pitted against reason, the secular against
> > the sacred. Why isnt this opposition more often
> > transferred to our discussions of medicine as well?

> > The reason may be that physicians recognize more readily
> > the relationship between God and science. A recent study
> > by the University of Chicago showed that seventy-six
> > percent of physicians believe in God, and fifty-five
> > percent say their faith influences their medical
> > practice. It seems that the dichotomy between faith and
> > science, while common in popular discourse, is not as
> > popular as among doctors themselves.

> > It is obvious that something great happened in {*filter*}ia
> > and someone is to thank for it. But in matters such as
> > this, we need not thank God to the exclusion of thanking
> > the doctors, or vice versa. The work of doctors and the
> > work of God are inextricably linked.

> > We are, after all, created in the image of a creative
> > God. We have reason, intelligence, creativity, and an
> > inherently entrepreneurial approach to the mysteries of
> > the world. We are Curious Georges who want not only to
> > know how the big machine works, but how we can work the
> > machine to serve ourselves and one another.

> > This is exactly the nature of medicine. Medicine is a
> > journey into the unknown, further up and further into the
> > mysteries of life. Most doctors know that they do not
> > have all the answers, and as the University of Chicago
> > study shows, no one knows this better than the doctors
> > themselves.

> > It is an important truth that our creative acts,
> > including our medical acts, are by nature derivative and
> > collaborative. Doctors receive their talents from God,
> > and insofar as their technological work cooperates with
> > Gods work -- insofar as their goals are in keeping with
> > Gods goals -- the thanks for technological miracle-working
> > are rightly given both to God and to the physicians
> > themselves.

> > The key here is that when doctors employ their talents as
> > they did recently in {*filter*}ia, they cooperate with God in
> > the service of life. In essence, they collaborate with
> > life; they do not control it and do not create it.
> > (Notice that no one calls {*filter*} and euthanasia
> > miracles of science.) It is telling that Torress
> > doctor said it was "almost miraculous" that Torres made
> > it as long as she did. Doctors simply dont know how
> > things will turn out, and they know that they dont know
> > it.

> > So it should be no surprise that, by and large, doctors
> > believe in God and practice accordingly. It should be no
> > surprise that the term miracle is often used when
> > speaking of successful, daring medical procedures. It
> > should be no surprise that patients who receive state-of-
> > the-art treatment from doctors thank God for it.

> > Faith and reason, religion and science: we ought to stop
> > framing these terms in the context of competition.
> > Rather, they testify to a collaborative, communal
> > relationship between God and man, and not to some falsely
> > intrinsic opposition.

> > David Michael Phelps is associate editor at the Acton
> > Institute.

> > http://www.***.com/

> >  - - - - - - -

> > Posted on 8/14/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by Brooklyn Kid

> >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> >  -To: Brooklyn Kid

> > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > science started lending God a hand.

> > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by mc6809e

> >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> >  -To: mc6809e

> > > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > > science started lending God a hand.

> > Cure for leprosy from Leviticus 14

> >  1 - Get two birds
> >  2 - Kill one bird
> >  3 - Dip live bird in {*filter*} of dead bird
> >  4 - put {*filter*} on leper.
> >  5 - release live bird
> >  6 - kill lamb
> >  7 - put lamb {*filter*} on lepers right ear, thumb and toe
> >  8 - sprinkle leper with oil and putt a little on his
> >         right rear, thumb and toe
> >  9 - repeat (and rinse)
> > 10 - kill two pigeons, one for holocaust and one for sin
> > 11 - on the eighth day offer them (lamb and pigeons too I
> >         think) to the priest at the tabernacle

> > I'll skip the rest as it just gets sillier.

> > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:33:59 PM PDT by ndt

> >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >  End of forwarded messages

> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://www.***.com/
> > Om Shanti

> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.***.com/

> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.***.com/
> > http://www.***.com/

> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.***.com/ ~jai/satyamevajayate

> > The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

> >      "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
> > peace, but a sword.
> >      "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
> > daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
> > law.
> >      "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
> >  - Matthew 10:34-36.

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> educational
> > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may
> not
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> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.***.com/
> Om Shanti

> > this kirastani god-miracle is not different from all the doctor-assisted
> > kirastani-god miracles of lady known to the unsuspecting as mother
terresa.

> > > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > > By David M. Phelps, Associate Editor
> > > Acton.org
> > > August 10, 2005

> > > Doctors have delivered a 1 lb. 13 oz. baby girl from
> > > Susan Torres, a pregnant woman from Arlington, {*filter*}ia
> > > who had been on life support for three months since a
> > > cancer-induced stroke left her brain-dead. At the request
> > > of Torress husband, doctors kept her body alive long
> > > enough for the child to have a chance of life outside the
> > > womb, carefully monitoring both patients to make sure the
> > > cancer did not spread to the developing baby. When the
> > > child was finally delivered, the family released a
> > > statement thanking God, and many hailed the birth a
> > > miracle.

> > > The faith of the family, the race against time, the
> > > coolheaded, sure-handed medical staff -- the story is
> > > nothing short of inspirational. But skeptics might wonder
> > > why God so often gets credit for the good work of trained
> > > physicians. Where is the line between thanking Providence
> > > and thanking Technology? In other words, are "miracles"
> > > such as the one in {*filter*}ia miracles of God or miracles
> > > of science?

> > > In the minds of many, there is a vague notion that
> > > somehow God and science are necessarily in competition.
> > > We see this opposition take form in the debates between
> > > creationism and evolution, between church and state,
> > > where faith is pitted against reason, the secular against
> > > the sacred. Why isnt this opposition more often
> > > transferred to our discussions of medicine as well?

> > > The reason may be that physicians recognize more readily
> > > the relationship between God and science. A recent study
> > > by the University of Chicago showed that seventy-six
> > > percent of physicians believe in God, and fifty-five
> > > percent say their faith influences their medical
> > > practice. It seems that the dichotomy between faith and
> > > science, while common in popular discourse, is not as
> > > popular as among doctors themselves.

> > > It is obvious that something great happened in {*filter*}ia
> > > and someone is to thank for it. But in matters such as
> > > this, we need not thank God to the exclusion of thanking
> > > the doctors, or vice versa. The work of doctors and the
> > > work of God are inextricably linked.

> > > We are, after all, created in the image of a creative
> > > God. We have reason, intelligence, creativity, and an
> > > inherently entrepreneurial approach to the mysteries of
> > > the world. We are Curious Georges who want not only to
> > > know how the big machine works, but how we can work the
> > > machine to serve ourselves and one another.

> > > This is exactly the nature of medicine. Medicine is a
> > > journey into the unknown, further up and further into the
> > > mysteries of life. Most doctors know that they do not
> > > have all the answers, and as the University of Chicago
> > > study shows, no one knows this better than the doctors
> > > themselves.

> > > It is an important truth that our creative acts,
> > > including our medical acts, are by nature derivative and
> > > collaborative. Doctors receive their talents from God,
> > > and insofar as their technological work cooperates with
> > > Gods work -- insofar as their goals are in keeping with
> > > Gods goals -- the thanks for technological miracle-working
> > > are rightly given both to God and to the physicians
> > > themselves.

> > > The key here is that when doctors employ their talents as
> > > they did recently in {*filter*}ia, they cooperate with God in
> > > the service of life. In essence, they collaborate with
> > > life; they do not control it and do not create it.
> > > (Notice that no one calls {*filter*} and euthanasia
> > > miracles of science.) It is telling that Torress
> > > doctor said it was "almost miraculous" that Torres made
> > > it as long as she did. Doctors simply dont know how
> > > things will turn out, and they know that they dont know
> > > it.

> > > So it should be no surprise that, by and large, doctors
> > > believe in God and practice accordingly. It should be no
> > > surprise that the term miracle is often used when
> > > speaking of successful, daring medical procedures. It
> > > should be no surprise that patients who receive state-of-
> > > the-art treatment from doctors thank God for it.

> > > Faith and reason, religion and science: we ought to stop
> > > framing these terms in the context of competition.
> > > Rather, they testify to a collaborative, communal
> > > relationship between God and man, and not to some falsely
> > > intrinsic opposition.

> > > David Michael Phelps is associate editor at the Acton
> > > Institute.

> > > http://www.***.com/

> > >  - - - - - - -

> > > Posted on 8/14/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by Brooklyn Kid

> > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> > >  -To: Brooklyn Kid

> > > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > > science started lending God a hand.

> > > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by mc6809e

> > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> > >  -To: mc6809e

> > > > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > > > science started lending God a hand.

> > > Cure for leprosy from Leviticus 14

> > >  1 - Get two birds
> > >  2 - Kill one bird
> > >  3 - Dip live bird in {*filter*} of dead bird
> > >  4 - put {*filter*} on leper.
> > >  5 - release live bird
> > >  6 - kill lamb
> > >  7 - put lamb {*filter*} on lepers right ear, thumb and toe
> > >  8 - sprinkle leper with oil and putt a little on his
> > >         right rear, thumb and toe
> > >  9 - repeat (and rinse)
> > > 10 - kill two pigeons, one for holocaust and one for sin
> > > 11 - on the eighth day offer them (lamb and pigeons too I
> > >         think) to the priest at the tabernacle

> > > I'll skip the rest as it just gets sillier.

> > > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:33:59 PM PDT by ndt

> > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >  End of forwarded messages

> > > Jai Maharaj
> > > http://www.***.com/
> > > Om Shanti

> > > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > > http://www.***.com/

> > > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > > http://www.***.com/
> > > http://www.***.com/

> > > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > > http://www.***.com/ ~jai/satyamevajayate

> > > The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

> > >      "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so
send
> > > peace, but a sword.
> > >      "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the
> > > daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her
mother in
> > > law.
> > >      "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
> > >  - Matthew 10:34-36.

> > >      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> > educational
> > > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post
may
> > not
> > > have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of
the
> > > poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption
for
> > > fair use of copyrighted works.
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> > > considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
> > current
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others
> > are
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> > article.

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> > > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance
with
> > Title
> > > 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed
without
> > > profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the
> > included
> > > information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes
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> btw, that alabama judge who had ten commandments in his court and wasted a
> lot of gnp hours: he is an avid hunter, and one them 10 commandments tells
> you not to kill.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

> > Fraud City, in other words?

> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://www.***.com/
> > Om Shanti

> > > this kirastani god-miracle is not different from all the doctor-assisted
> > > kirastani-god miracles of lady known to the unsuspecting as mother
> terresa.

> > > > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > > > Miracles of God and Miracles of Science

> > > > By David M. Phelps, Associate Editor
> > > > Acton.org
> > > > August 10, 2005

> > > > Doctors have delivered a 1 lb. 13 oz. baby girl from
> > > > Susan Torres, a pregnant woman from Arlington, {*filter*}ia
> > > > who had been on life support for three months since a
> > > > cancer-induced stroke left her brain-dead. At the request
> > > > of Torress husband, doctors kept her body alive long
> > > > enough for the child to have a chance of life outside the
> > > > womb, carefully monitoring both patients to make sure the
> > > > cancer did not spread to the developing baby. When the
> > > > child was finally delivered, the family released a
> > > > statement thanking God, and many hailed the birth a
> > > > miracle.

> > > > The faith of the family, the race against time, the
> > > > coolheaded, sure-handed medical staff -- the story is
> > > > nothing short of inspirational. But skeptics might wonder
> > > > why God so often gets credit for the good work of trained
> > > > physicians. Where is the line between thanking Providence
> > > > and thanking Technology? In other words, are "miracles"
> > > > such as the one in {*filter*}ia miracles of God or miracles
> > > > of science?

> > > > In the minds of many, there is a vague notion that
> > > > somehow God and science are necessarily in competition.
> > > > We see this opposition take form in the debates between
> > > > creationism and evolution, between church and state,
> > > > where faith is pitted against reason, the secular against
> > > > the sacred. Why isnt this opposition more often
> > > > transferred to our discussions of medicine as well?

> > > > The reason may be that physicians recognize more readily
> > > > the relationship between God and science. A recent study
> > > > by the University of Chicago showed that seventy-six
> > > > percent of physicians believe in God, and fifty-five
> > > > percent say their faith influences their medical
> > > > practice. It seems that the dichotomy between faith and
> > > > science, while common in popular discourse, is not as
> > > > popular as among doctors themselves.

> > > > It is obvious that something great happened in {*filter*}ia
> > > > and someone is to thank for it. But in matters such as
> > > > this, we need not thank God to the exclusion of thanking
> > > > the doctors, or vice versa. The work of doctors and the
> > > > work of God are inextricably linked.

> > > > We are, after all, created in the image of a creative
> > > > God. We have reason, intelligence, creativity, and an
> > > > inherently entrepreneurial approach to the mysteries of
> > > > the world. We are Curious Georges who want not only to
> > > > know how the big machine works, but how we can work the
> > > > machine to serve ourselves and one another.

> > > > This is exactly the nature of medicine. Medicine is a
> > > > journey into the unknown, further up and further into the
> > > > mysteries of life. Most doctors know that they do not
> > > > have all the answers, and as the University of Chicago
> > > > study shows, no one knows this better than the doctors
> > > > themselves.

> > > > It is an important truth that our creative acts,
> > > > including our medical acts, are by nature derivative and
> > > > collaborative. Doctors receive their talents from God,
> > > > and insofar as their technological work cooperates with
> > > > Gods work -- insofar as their goals are in keeping with
> > > > Gods goals -- the thanks for technological miracle-working
> > > > are rightly given both to God and to the physicians
> > > > themselves.

> > > > The key here is that when doctors employ their talents as
> > > > they did recently in {*filter*}ia, they cooperate with God in
> > > > the service of life. In essence, they collaborate with
> > > > life; they do not control it and do not create it.
> > > > (Notice that no one calls {*filter*} and euthanasia
> > > > miracles of science.) It is telling that Torress
> > > > doctor said it was "almost miraculous" that Torres made
> > > > it as long as she did. Doctors simply dont know how
> > > > things will turn out, and they know that they dont know
> > > > it.

> > > > So it should be no surprise that, by and large, doctors
> > > > believe in God and practice accordingly. It should be no
> > > > surprise that the term miracle is often used when
> > > > speaking of successful, daring medical procedures. It
> > > > should be no surprise that patients who receive state-of-
> > > > the-art treatment from doctors thank God for it.

> > > > Faith and reason, religion and science: we ought to stop
> > > > framing these terms in the context of competition.
> > > > Rather, they testify to a collaborative, communal
> > > > relationship between God and man, and not to some falsely
> > > > intrinsic opposition.

> > > > David Michael Phelps is associate editor at the Acton
> > > > Institute.

> > > > http://www.***.com/

> > > >  - - - - - - -

> > > > Posted on 8/14/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by Brooklyn Kid

> > > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> > > >  -To: Brooklyn Kid

> > > > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > > > science started lending God a hand.

> > > > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by mc6809e

> > > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> > > >  -To: mc6809e

> > > > > Funny how many more "miracles" there have been since
> > > > > science started lending God a hand.

> > > > Cure for leprosy from Leviticus 14

> > > >  1 - Get two birds
> > > >  2 - Kill one bird
> > > >  3 - Dip live bird in {*filter*} of dead bird
> > > >  4 - put {*filter*} on leper.
> > > >  5 - release live bird
> > > >  6 - kill lamb
> > > >  7 - put lamb {*filter*} on lepers right ear, thumb and toe
> > > >  8 - sprinkle leper with oil and putt a little on his
> > > >         right rear, thumb and toe
> > > >  9 - repeat (and rinse)
> > > > 10 - kill two pigeons, one for holocaust and one for sin
> > > > 11 - on the eighth day offer them (lamb and pigeons too I
> > > >         think) to the priest at the tabernacle

> > > > I'll skip the rest as it just gets sillier.

> > > > Posted on 8/14/2005 1:33:59 PM PDT by ndt

> > > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >  End of forwarded messages

> > > > Jai Maharaj
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> > > > The truth about Islam and Muslims
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> > > > The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

> > > >      "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so
> send
> > > > peace, but a sword.
> > > >      "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
> the
> > > > daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her
> mother in
> > > > law.
> > > >      "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
> > > >  - Matthew 10:34-36.

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