Ritalin vs Dexedrine 
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 Ritalin vs Dexedrine

Allright Im back after trial of Lamictal...accidently discovered
that when I upped the Dexedrine dose I have been on from 10mg-
to 30mg I no longer crashed into depression 10 times or more daily
I have been on WellbutrinSR 400mg for quite a while and it helps
a bit.  I have also been on Ritalin 60mg for quite a while.  At
first when I took 5mg of Ritalin I was awake and productive all
day until tolerance developed and 60mg was my dose...30 at a time
gave me only an hour of pep so I could exercise if thats all I
did all day.  Well I presented this to doc..and he feels I have
problems in dopamine regulatory system as all meds that work for
me produce extra dopamine..Well so this is the Story:
I am on 30-40mg Ritalin now....no SR did nothing for me.  It gives
me a swift kick out of bed...then 20mg Dexedrine +10 in the after

develop tolerance and the same thing that happened to me with
the Ritalin could happen again....so I am not rushing full time
classes (I need to have 18 graduate hours by end summer to keep
my job as teacher in Florida)I know Dexedrine has much longer
half life than Ritalin so I am hoping for the best...by the
way I am bipolar however only manic 3X in 10 years...mostly
unresponsive depression spending 10 YEARS IN BED...10 years lost,\
and I am so frightened it will be taken away again...I am not
on an antimanic drug as they all knock me out...even Lamictal.
They say Welllbutrin is least likely to produce mania...and I have
not been manic in over 2 years....well guys...anyone else on
Ritalin or
Dexedrine..could use your info....thankyou:}



Sun, 13 Feb 2000 03:00:00 GMT
 Ritalin vs Dexedrine

Quote:



> >Allright Im back after trial of Lamictal...accidently discovered
> >that when I upped the Dexedrine dose I have been on from 10mg-
> >to 30mg I no longer crashed into depression 10 times or more daily
> >I have been on WellbutrinSR 400mg for quite a while and it helps
> >a bit.  I have also been on Ritalin 60mg for quite a while.  At
> >first when I took 5mg of Ritalin I was awake and productive all
> >day until tolerance developed and 60mg was my dose...30 at a time
> >gave me only an hour of pep so I could exercise if thats all I
> >did all day.  Well I presented this to doc..and he feels I have
> >problems in dopamine regulatory system as all meds that work for
> >me produce extra dopamine..Well so this is the Story:
> >I am on 30-40mg Ritalin now....no SR did nothing for me.  It gives
> >me a swift kick out of bed...then 20mg Dexedrine +10 in the after

> >develop tolerance and the same thing that happened to me with
> >the Ritalin could happen again....so I am not rushing full time
> >classes (I need to have 18 graduate hours by end summer to keep
> >my job as teacher in Florida)I know Dexedrine has much longer
> >half life than Ritalin so I am hoping for the best...by the
> >way I am bipolar however only manic 3X in 10 years...mostly
> >unresponsive depression spending 10 YEARS IN BED...10 years lost,\
> >and I am so frightened it will be taken away again...I am not
> >on an antimanic drug as they all knock me out...even Lamictal.
> >They say Welllbutrin is least likely to produce mania...and I have
> >not been manic in over 2 years....well guys...anyone else on
> >Ritalin or
> >Dexedrine..could use your info....thankyou:}

>    Ritalin.  Great stuff.  Except that it tends to make people write
> pages of pressured stuff with no periods---- just one huge sentence...
> .... puff, puff, puff.  They used to arrest college kids for using it.
> Now they give them a diagnosis and a prescription.  That's tough on the
> grading curve for everybody else, sort of like allowing steroids in the
> olympics.  Except, of course, in the English comp classes, where the
> writing of the folks on speed is sort of obvious.

>                                     Steve Harris, M.D.

Wow you are really down on it...what if its only thing works in
depression?


Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:00:00 GMT
 Ritalin vs Dexedrine



Quote:
>   Ritalin.  Great stuff.  Except that it tends to make people write
>pages of pressured stuff with no periods---- just one huge sentence...
>.... puff, puff, puff.  They used to arrest college kids for using it.
>Now they give them a diagnosis and a prescription.  That's tough on the
>grading curve for everybody else, sort of like allowing steroids in the
>olympics.  Except, of course, in the English comp classes, where the
>writing of the folks on speed is sort of obvious.

Ritalin added about two years to my productive life. MS wiped my short
term memory and attention span.

If you can get the dosage right it works wonders. A little too much
and the results  are as Steve describes.

I was working on a robot that was controled by 6 networked computers.
Too much speed and the code wouldn't  work.

The next round of MS did enough damage that speed won't restore
functionality.

In my case speed did not have the effect of calming down as it
is claimed to do with ADD. It always created an anxiety problem
if I took very much at all. The top dosage was 30 mg a day spaced
out over the day.

Dexidrine is about twice as strong and a good deal longer lasting.
It often cause my sleep problems. Anxiety and jumpiness is worse than
ritilan.

Gordon
Gordon Couger W5RED
624 Cheyenne
Stillwater, OK 74075
405.624.2855 home



Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:00:00 GMT
 Ritalin vs Dexedrine


Quote:

>Wow you are really down on it...what if its only thing works in
>depression?

  I'm not down on it.  I have two depressed patients on it (out of
about 50 in my practice) who say I've saved their lives.  They are
elderly mother and middle-aged {*filter*} son, interestingly.  SSRI {*filter*}
did bad things to both, and they are probably wired the same.

   I do dislike hypocrisy, and that is my only point above.  One man's
speed abuser is another man's AADHD, trying to self-medicate.  There
are no bad {*filter*}.  There are only bad relationships between specific
people and specific {*filter*}.  At certain doses, I might add.  The
biomedical world is a complex and confusing place, and simple laws
generally only make things worse.  I suspect this is true of other
spheres as well, but I can't speak to those with as much confidence.

                                   Steve Harris, M.D.



Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:00:00 GMT
 Ritalin vs Dexedrine

Quote:

> >    Ritalin.  Great stuff.  Except that it tends to make people write
> > pages of pressured stuff with no periods---- just one huge sentence...
> > .... puff, puff, puff.  They used to arrest college kids for using it.
> > Now they give them a diagnosis and a prescription.  That's tough on the
> > grading curve for everybody else, sort of like allowing steroids in the
> > olympics.  Except, of course, in the English comp classes, where the
> > writing of the folks on speed is sort of obvious.

> >                                     Steve Harris, M.D.
> Wow you are really down on it...what if its only thing works in
> depression?

  Steve isn't down on it, he just has a deep and abiding appreciation
for the art of sarcasm.  

  Opinion:  There are other things that work for ADD, ADHD, ODD etc but
nothing works as well. (as stimulants)

  Fact.  People with ADD aren't made jittery by dexedrine, they are put
to sleep.  They don't develop dependance - quite the contrary: they have
to be reminded to take their med's.

  Caffiene and dexedrine compete for receptor site.  Poeple with ADD
can't do both.  The effect is like a {*filter*} ball in a steel room.  

  Small amounts of theophylline in chocolate can ruin the day of a
person with ADD.  At the end of a meal shouldn't be a problem.  Instead
of a meal should be a big problem.

  Suggest reading 'Driven to Distraction' authors Hallowell and Ratey

  Suggest subscribing to alt.support.attn-defficit

May the schwartz be with you.
Don Royal DC



Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:00:00 GMT
 
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