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 spider bites

My question is twofold:  1) I recently had a rather severe reation to a
spider bite.  Inasmuch as it occurred in my sleep, I'm not sure of the
species.  We have no fiddlebacks or black widows in the house, but there
IS a spider that very closely resembles the recluse that we seem to have a
lot of.  I have had it identified as a cellar spider (VERY similar to
fiddleback in size, shape, etc., just no fiddle).  I'm trying to find out
if severe reactions to this spider's bite are common.  My syptoms were:
raised feverish red area that gradually expanded to several inches in
diameter.  Dermatologist injected steroids, and prescribed some cortisone
salve.  Ultimately worked, but not really all that quickly.  Poison
control center here does not seem to have any info available on bites
other than recluse or widows.   2)  If you don't have the info to question
1), but know of another newsgroup where there are resident experts who
might provide that knowledge, I'd appreciate your steering me to it.  I
tried to access a newsgroup "sci.med.toxicology", but apparently no such
newsgroup exists.


Thanks.



Wed, 07 Jan 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 spider bites
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 Tj> Newsgroups: sci.med
 Tj> Subject: spider bites

 Tj> I recently had a rather severe reation to a spider bite.
     <snip>
 Tj> I'm trying to find out if severe reactions to this spider's bite are
 Tj> common.  My syptoms were:  raised feverish red area that gradually
 Tj> expanded to several inches in diameter.  Dermatologist injected
 Tj> steroids, and prescribed some cortisone salve.  Ultimately worked, but
 Tj> not really all that quickly.  Poison control center here does not seem
 Tj> to have any info available on bites other than recluse or widows.  

        My wife has reactions the same as you had from spider bites.
        What our doctor and my own research has shown is that what
        is happening is that because of all the pesticides in use
        today that the spiders saliva is slightly toxic. This stems
        from the insects juices that they injest. The occurance of
        reactions from spider bites is becoming more common and more
        doctors are beginning to see cases. If you get a spider bite
        that bullseyes like that you do need to see a doctor to be
        treated as you can become quite ill from it.

        Mike


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Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 spider bites

Quote:
>        My wife has reactions the same as you had from spider bites.
>        What our doctor and my own research has shown is that what
>        is happening is that because of all the pesticides in use
>        today that the spiders saliva is slightly toxic. This stems
>        from the insects juices that they injest. The occurance of
>        reactions from spider bites is becoming more common and more
>        doctors are beginning to see cases. If you get a spider bite
>        that bullseyes like that you do need to see a doctor to be
>        treated as you can become quite ill from it.
>        Mike

You're very funny, Mike. Seriously, if you believe that {*filter*}then, well,
you're stupid, crazy, or both. The pesticides that one could get in
that manner, if it were poisonous, would kill the spider or the bugs that it
had "killed." One gets more pesticides from fruits, and it certainly doesn't
seem as if people are storming to hospitals.

I'd like to see some articles (in an established journal) on this "research."
What kind of experiments did you and your doctor do?

Oh, and BTW, most substances are "slightly toxic."

Just annoyed at this idiot called Mike,
Ralf


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Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 spider bites
: >        My wife has reactions the same as you had from spider bites.
: >        What our doctor and my own research has shown is that what
: >        is happening is that because of all the pesticides in use
: >        today that the spiders saliva is slightly toxic. This stems
: >        from the insects juices that they injest. The occurance of
: >        reactions from spider bites is becoming more common and more
: >        doctors are beginning to see cases. If you get a spider bite
: >        that bullseyes like that you do need to see a doctor to be
: >        treated as you can become quite ill from it.
:
Yes, even small spiders can give painful long-lasting bites, especially if
you help them penetrate tender skin, as I did, by jumping on a motorcycle
seat while wearing very short shorts.  It does occur to me that spiders
inject venom into their prey, not soda pop. To call this venom "slightly
toxic saliva" is an understatement.
 Even worse for your argument, there are records of spider bite problems
many years and decades before any manmade pesticides were invented.


Christchurch, New Zealand



Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 spider bites

Quote:


>Subject: Re: spider bites
>Just annoyed at this idiot called Mike,
>Ralf

I hope you get some more intelligent answers than this Ralf person, Mike.  
Sounds like this character's got more problems than the odd spider bite.

Necrotic spider bites have been quite an issue here, with a
few species (white-tailed spiders in particular) being identified
as problems.  I have seen television specials on it, showing people with
large areas of flesh having slowly rotted away after a single bite.  
I think the experts (and I am not one) suspect bacteria in the spider's
saliva, rather than 'toxins' in the ordinary sense.  One woman lost an eye
after such a bite.  I spent that night vacuuming the house :-)

_______________________________________________________________
Bernadette Power
PCUG Canberra Australia



Mon, 02 Feb 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 
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