effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall 
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 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

 CF> Invividual obesities vary even between individuals of the same degree
 CF> of obesity.  In some, the fat is intermingled among the body's organs.
 CF> In others, the fat is mostly on the periphery of the body, outside of
 CF> the abdominal wall, where surgical removal would be easier.

 CF> Much more information on your mother's problem is needed.  When
 CF> did she first become obese?  How did her obesity progress?  What
 CF> reducing attempts were made in the past, and what were the outcomes?

She started gaining weight when she was about 20.  She has been over 200
pounds (at 61.5") since she was 30 (except when she got down to about 160 to
get her teaching credential by using diet pills).  She would try various
programs; Weight watchers, TOPS, etc. for about three to six months and then
quit because she was feeling too deprived because she couldn't eat cheese cake
and ice cream etc.  

She has not made a serious effort to lose weight since she retired about 10
years ago.  When she retired she weighed about 230 pounds.  Before her latest
hernia surgury she weighed 336 pounds.  The hernia operation was done on an
emergency basis because it had become "incarcerated" (she had been avoiding
the surgery against her MD's and my advise).  She spent about two weeks in the
hospital and when she got out she weighed 270#.  In the 8 months since then
she has gotten back up to 300#.

          -Daniel

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Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!102!531.327!Daniel.Prince



Wed, 26 Oct 1994 21:03:29 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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> CF> Invividual obesities vary even between individuals of the same degree
> CF> of obesity.  In some, the fat is intermingled among the body's organs.
> CF> In others, the fat is mostly on the periphery of the body, outside of
> CF> the abdominal wall, where surgical removal would be easier.

> CF> Much more information on your mother's problem is needed.  When
> CF> did she first become obese?  How did her obesity progress?  What
> CF> reducing attempts were made in the past, and what were the outcomes?

>She started gaining weight when she was about 20.  She has been over 200

Any idea what caused this?  Medication? Childbirth?  Something snapped in
her metabolism?  How heavy are her natural parents and siblings?

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>pounds (at 61.5") since she was 30 (except when she got down to about 160 to
>get her teaching credential by using diet pills).  She would try various
>programs; Weight watchers, TOPS, etc. for about three to six months and then
>quit because she was feeling too deprived because she couldn't eat cheese cake
>and ice cream etc.  

Do you know for a fact that she went off her starvation diets because she
wanted ice cream, cheesecake, and other condiments, or was she experiencing
the usual side effects of dieting?  It it important to be factual and not
just judgemental in this area.

It would be useful to determine what went wrong at 20 years age that wan't
wrong earlier.
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406



Sun, 30 Oct 1994 05:13:34 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall


 CF> Invividual obesities vary even between
 CF> individuals of the same degree
 CF> of obesity.  In some, the fat is
 CF> intermingled among the body's organs.
 CF> In others, the fat is mostly on the
 CF> periphery of the body, outside of
 CF> the abdominal wall, where surgical removal would be easier.

 CF> Much more information on your mother's problem is needed.  When
 CF> did she first become obese?  How did her
 CF> obesity progress?  What
 CF> reducing attempts were made in the past, and
 CF> what were the outcomes?

 DP> She started gaining weight when she was about 20.
 DP>  She has been over 200 pounds (at 61.5") since
 DP> she was 30 (except when she got down to about 160
 DP> to get her teaching credential by using diet
 DP> pills).  She would try various programs; Weight
 DP> watchers, TOPS, etc. for about three to six
 DP> months and then quit because she was feeling too
 DP> deprived because she couldn't eat cheese cake and
 DP> ice cream etc.  

Speaking to the TOPS program (Take Off Pounds Sensibly), is there a fee,and
what is your opinion of the TOPS system?

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Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:42:15 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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>Do you know for a fact that she went off her starvation diets because she
>wanted ice cream, cheesecake, and other condiments, or was she experiencing
>the usual side effects of dieting?  It it important to be factual and not
>just judgemental in this area.

This paragraph made my day!  In sentence 1, Chuck refers to several
popular diet plans as ``starvation diets'', while in sentence 2 he
talk about the importance of being ``factual and not just judgemental''.

Take it to rec.humor.funny....

Chuck, if you wanted to be factual and not judgemental, you could have
said low cal diets, or even very low cal diets.  In fact, at least one
of the diets mentioned was not that low cal, and nowhere near starvation
levels, by any reasonable definition of the word.




Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:54:16 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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>>Do you know for a fact that she went off her starvation diets because she
>>wanted ice cream, cheesecake, and other condiments, or was she experiencing
>>the usual side effects of dieting?  It it important to be factual and not
>>just judgemental in this area.

>This paragraph made my day!  In sentence 1, Chuck refers to several
>popular diet plans as ``starvation diets'', while in sentence 2 he
>talk about the importance of being ``factual and not just judgemental''.

>Take it to rec.humor.funny....

>Chuck, if you wanted to be factual and not judgemental, you could have
>said low cal diets, or even very low cal diets.  In fact, at least one
>of the diets mentioned was not that low cal, and nowhere near starvation
>levels, by any reasonable definition of the word.

Any weight loss diet that reduces energy intake below natural
balance is a starvation diet.  "Starve" has a number of
dictionary definitions, not all of which imply energy
restriction to the point of death.

I use the s- word to remind the reader that all reducing diets
work by causing a negative energy balance.
--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406



Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:26:37 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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>Any weight loss diet that reduces energy intake below natural
>balance is a starvation diet.  "Starve" has a number of
>dictionary definitions, not all of which imply energy
>restriction to the point of death.

Snort.

Quote:
>I use the s- word to remind the reader that all reducing diets
>work by causing a negative energy balance.

I'll bet you did.  And you wonder why you're treated like a crackpot.

--
Steve Dyer



Mon, 31 Oct 1994 23:30:02 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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>Chuck, if you wanted to be factual and not judgemental, you could have
>said low cal diets, or even very low cal diets.  In fact, at least one
>of the diets mentioned was not that low cal, and nowhere near starvation
>levels, by any reasonable definition of the word.

Some of us think we're being starved if we can't have our cheesecake!

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Tue, 01 Nov 1994 01:07:57 GMT
 effect of EXTREME obesity on abdominal wall

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>>Any weight loss diet that reduces energy intake below natural
>>balance is a starvation diet.  "Starve" has a number of
>>dictionary definitions, not all of which imply energy
>>restriction to the point of death.

>Snort.

>>I use the s- word to remind the reader that all reducing diets
>>work by causing a negative energy balance.

>I'll bet you did.  And you wonder why you're treated like a crackpot.

Call me a crackpot.  That's easier than addressing the issue,
because you can't show a study that shows one type of diet
significantly better than another at long term weight loss with
subjects that are matched/controlled for starting weight, age of
obesity onset and maintenance period.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406



Tue, 01 Nov 1994 07:51:37 GMT
 
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