LSD Variants; Naming (was Re: LSD, LMD..say what?)
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Ray Duela #1 / 5
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(Scott Baldwin) writes: >[some time ago], windowpane had LMD-23 in it, as opposed to LSD-25.
The LXX-NNN nomenclature (as in LSD-25) was used only by Albert Hoffman and perhaps Sandoz. LSD was the 25th compound synthesized by Hoffman, hence its name. The 23rd compound was actually LAE-23 or lysergic acid ethyl-amide (a hydrogen replacing one of the ethyl groups of LSD), not LMD-23, whatever that is. Hoffman comments on the compound in _LSD_My_Problem_Child_: "A substance very closely related to LSD, the monoethylamide of lysergic acid (LAE-23), in which an ethyl group is replaced by a hydrogen atom on the diethylamide residue of LSD, proved to be some ten times less psychoactive than LSD. The hallucinogenic effect of this substance is also qualitatively different: it is characterized by a narcotic component. This narcotic effect is yet more pronounced in lysergic acid amide (LA-111), in which both ethyl groups of LSD are displaced by hydrogen atoms. These effects, which I established in comparative self-experiments with LA-111 and LAE-32, were corroborated by subsequent clinical investigations. "Fif{*filter*} years later we encountered lysergic acid amide [LAE-23], which had been produced synthetically for these investigations, as a naturally occurring active principle of the Mexican magic drug ololiuhqui [and other related morning glories]. -- Ray Dueland
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Mon, 19 Apr 1993 19:52:00 GMT |
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 LSD Variants; Naming (was Re: LSD, LMD..say what?)
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT |
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KJC.. #3 / 5
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 LSD Variants; Naming (was Re: LSD, LMD..say what?)
Hi. I'm rather new to this operating system, and to news (in this form), so forgive typeos, and let me know that I've succeded in posting. Now, the question: Ever heard of a drug called Katamine? I may have the spelling wrong, since I no longer have the source handy. I was reading Robert Anton Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger", which I generally found to be one of the more ridiculous books I've read in a while. However, there were a few useful tidbits among all the tripe. I'm just not sure how much of it I buy. In there, somewhere, he mentions that John Lilly was messing around with a psychadelic named Katamine... I had never heard of it, but that doesn't mean much. ;-) ------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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A J Anna #4 / 5
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 LSD Variants; Naming (was Re: LSD, LMD..say what?)
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>>Now, the question: Ever heard of a drug called Katamine? I was reading >>Robert Anton Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger", which I generally found to be one of >>the more ridiculous books I've read in a while. I'm just not sure how much >>of it I buy. In there, somewhere, he mentions that John Lilly was messing >>around with a psychadelic named Katamine...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ref: Goodman and Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics 7th ed 1985 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISSOCIATIVE ANESTHESIA (KETAMINE HYCROCHLORIDE) Some arylcycloalkylamines may induce a state of sedation, immobility, amnesia, and marked analgesia. The name dissociative anesthesia is derived from the strong feeling of dissociation from the environment that is experienced by the subject to whom the agent is administered. This condition is similar to neurolept analgesia but results from the administration of a single drug. Phencyclidine was the first drug used for this purpose, but frequent occurrence of unpleasant hallucinations and psychological problems soon led to its abandonment. These effects are much less frequent with ketamine hydrochloride (2-[o-chlorophenyl]-2-[methylamino] cyclohexanone hyrdochloride; KETALAR). Ketamine hyrdochloride is supplied in solution for intravenous or intramuscular use in vials containing 10, 50, or 100 mg of ketamine base per milliliter. Clinical Use. For the induction of dissociative anesthesia in an {*filter*}, ketamine hydrochloride is administered in a dose of 1 to 2 mg/kg over a period of about 1 minute. (A similar induction follows the intramuscular injection of 6 to 13 mg/kg.) A sensation of dissociation is noticed within 15 seconds, and unconsciousness becomes apparent within another 30 seconds. Intense analgesia and amnesia are established repidly. Following a single dose, unconsciousness lasts for 10 to 15 minutes and analgesia persists for some 40 minutes; amnesia may be evident for a period of 1 to 2 hours following the initial injection. If anesthesia of longer duration is necessary, supplementary doses of about one third or one half of the initial amount may be administered. Muscular relaxation is poor, muscle tone may be increased, purposeless movements sometimes occur, and occasionally {*filter*} and irrational responses to stimuli are observed. A soothing and quiet environment is necessary for success with this technic. Hypoxic or hypercarbic stimulation of respiration is not seriously affected following usual doses of ketamine. Pharyngeal and laryngeal reflexes are retained, and, while the cough reflex is depressed, airway obstruction does not normally occur. Airway resistance is in fact decreased, and bronchospasm may be abolished. Arterial {*filter*} pressure increases by as much as 25% and cardiac output and rate increase. When myocardial tissue is exposed to ketamine in vitro, depression of contractility occurs. The stimulation observed in vivo is attributed to increased sympathetic activity. When ketamine is used to induce anesthesia in hypovolemic patients, hypotension may occur, but the incidence is less than when inhalation agents are used. Cerebral {*filter*} flow, metabolic rate, and intracranial pressure are augmented. Recovery. Unlike the conventional intravenous agents, ketamine does not act primarily on the reticular activating system in the brain stem; rather, it acts on the cortex and the limbic system. Perhaps this is the reason that recovery after ketamine has some unusal features. Awakening often requires several hours and is not infrequently characterized by disagreeable dreams and even hallucinations. Sometimes these unpleasant occurrences may recur days or weeks later. Almost half of {*filter*}s over the age of 30 years exhibit delerium or e{*filter*}ment, or experience visual disturbances. The incidence of such adverse psychological experiences is greatly reduced in children and young {*filter*}s. It is thought that the incidence of such unpleasant effects can be lowered by the prior administration of morphine and scopolamine and by the substitution of diazepam or thiopental for the last dose of ketamine. Status. Ketamine hydrochloride is not indicated for patients with hypertension or psychiatric disorders. Intraocular pressure is increased with ketamine and, therefore, its use is not advisable for many types of eye surgery. It can be employed for indiction of anesthesia, or, in combination with nitrous oxide, to produce adequate general anesthesia. Ketamine is especially useful in children for the management of minor surgical or diagnostic procedures or for repeated procedures that require intense analgesia, such as changing burn dressings. When the burns involve the face and neck, the maintenance of an unobstructed airway with ketamine makes it a valuable agent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My previous posting on this subject was based on Anesthesia and the Brain by John D. Michenfelder, M.D., Professor of Anesthesiology, Mayo Clinic and Mayo Medical School, Rochester, Minnesota, 1988. Curiously, Dr. Michenfelder says: "Ketamine . . . was introduced as a general anesthetic in 1957 but never received approval for human use (although it is commonly used in animals). Failure to gain approval for human use was because of the high incidence of convulsions as well as the occurence of psychotic reactions with vivid hallucinations during emergence from the anesthetic effects." "In cats, Kayama showed that ketamine, 3.5 mg/kg, stimulated cortical activity but that this effect could be blocked by destruction of the mesencephalic reticular formation. Accordingly, it was concluded that ketamine acts via the ascending reticular activating system." MICHENFELDER and GOODMAN/GILMAN APPEAR TO DISAGREE ON BOTH OF THESE POINTS. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS DISAGREEMENT? (1) KETAMINE IS/IS NOT APPROVED FOR USE IN HUMAN SUBJECTS? (2) KETAMINE ACTS VIA THE ASCENDING RETICULAR ACTIVATING SYSTEM? CAN BOTH REFERENCES BE CORRECT? IF SO, HOW? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My own observations of the effect of ketamine on the affective state of rats, rabbits, and monkeys would lead me to be very reluctant to even attempt use in human subjects. Such animals exhibit markedly changed behavior for many days after ketamine anesthesia. However, I would be very interested in more information about the extent of clinical use of ketamine in humans today. I would also be very interested in personal accounts of ketamine experiences in non clinical settings (including dose, method of administration, onset of effects, emergence phenonema, personality changes, and delayed after effects).
Neuroscience Program Hedco Neuroscience Building, Room 534A University of Southern California University Park Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Steve Dy #5 / 5
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 LSD Variants; Naming (was Re: LSD, LMD..say what?)
Quote: >MICHENFELDER and GOODMAN/GILMAN APPEAR TO DISAGREE ON BOTH OF THESE POINTS. >DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS DISAGREEMENT? (1) KETAMINE IS/IS >NOT APPROVED FOR USE IN HUMAN SUBJECTS?
Ketamine has been approved for use in humans for almost 20 years. The drug was recently discussed in alt.{*filter*}. -- Steve Dyer
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