healing power of prayer? 
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 healing power of prayer?

Recently I read about several purportedly well controlled experiments
where either prayer or concentrated attention was focused on various
organisms, and the effects on the organisms was measured.  For instance,
I read that in one experiment patients at a hospital were unknowingly    
prayed for by a group of strangers, and the result was increased rate of
healing over a control group who did not receive the prayers.  I also
heard about an experiment where fungal growth on culture medium was
retarded when a group of people focused their attention on the growths,
even from miles away.

Does anyone know anything about these or similar reports?  And if they
*were* well constructed, well conducted, and well analysed, what are the
implications for traditional medicine?



Sun, 14 Jul 1996 08:17:42 GMT
 healing power of prayer?

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> Recently I read about several purportedly well controlled experiments
> where either prayer or concentrated attention was focused on various
> organisms, and the effects on the organisms was measured.  For instance,
> I read that in one experiment patients at a hospital were unknowingly    
> prayed for by a group of strangers, and the result was increased rate of
> healing over a control group who did not receive the prayers...

This was recently bantered about in the sci.skeptics group.  You might
try asking over there...

Quote:

> Does anyone know anything about these or similar reports?  And if they
> *were* well constructed, well conducted, and well analysed, what are the
> implications for traditional medicine?

... Rick                     "I want to find a decent place, where people




Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:44:15 GMT
 healing power of prayer?

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>> Recently I read about several purportedly well controlled experiments
>> where either prayer or concentrated attention was focused on various
>> organisms, and the effects on the organisms was measured.  For instance,
>> I read that in one experiment patients at a hospital were unknowingly    
>> prayed for by a group of strangers, and the result was increased rate of
>> healing over a control group who did not receive the prayers...
>This was recently bantered about in the sci.skeptics group.  You might
>try asking over there...

Then try asking the Pope about all the rationalists' explanations on
why Catholicism is invalid.

Any evidence pointing to prayer as effective in healing is such a
threat to anyone with a materialist-based belief system (i.e. most
current scientists) that they'll have to discount it.

I don't have a citation handy, but I've seen enough various places
that looks interesting that, well, shouldn't it be looked into?

In the meantime, feel free to pray for me. :-)

--
Mark McWiggins      Hermes & Associates               +1 206 632 1905 (24 hrs.)



Wed, 17 Jul 1996 02:42:05 GMT
 healing power of prayer?

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>I read that in one experiment patients at a hospital were unknowingly    
>prayed for by a group of strangers, and the result was increased rate of
>healing over a control group who did not receive the prayers.  I also

>Does anyone know anything about these or similar reports?  And if they
>*were* well constructed, well conducted, and well analyzed, what are the
>implications for traditional medicine?

Hi Gerry, the article you mention was published I believe in the
Southern Medical Journal several years ago.  I would have to do a
Medline search to find it.  The two groups were matched series in an
intensive care unit.  One set was prayed for by name by a healing
group separated from the hospital.  Even the patient did not know they
were being prayed for.  The other group was the placebo.  The
prayed-for group had less febrile morbidity, shorter length of stay,
and lower rate of complications.  The study was double-blinded.

The implications for traditional medicine in my mind are great.  We
hear complaints from our patients about an 'impersonal' bedside manner
in their physicians, a lack of compassion, 'treating me like a
number', and all sorts of similar complaints about a medical practice
which had reduced death rates all over the place.  Technologically we
excel, holistically, we have much to learn.  Medicine sprang from the
loins of the priesthood, and I think it is time we start recognizing
that there is more to healing than man alone can provide.  I will also
share a secret with you.  The complications associated with
supplemental healing prayer are nil.  N.B. for the logically
disadvantaged, I *don't* believe in healing disease conditions by
healing prayer alone.

Shalom,                             The Rev Len Howard MD, OSL



Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:03:17 GMT
 healing power of prayer?
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> ::Any evidence pointing to prayer as effective in healing is such a
> ::threat to anyone with a materialist-based belief system (i.e. most
> ::current scientists) that they'll have to discount it.

        The National Institutes of Health has recently set up a
        division to scientifically test the effectiveness of
        various non-traditional medical practices.  One of the
        controlled studies they are supporting is a study of
        the healing powers of prayer.  

        While I consider this a waste of money that could be
        devoted to serious bio-medical research, Congress
        mandated that the NIH get into such "research."

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Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:43:14 GMT
 healing power of prayer?

::>> Recently I read about several purportedly well controlled experiments
::>> where either prayer or concentrated attention was focused on various
::>> organisms, and the effects on the organisms was measured.  

::Any evidence pointing to prayer as effective in healing is such a
::threat to anyone with a materialist-based belief system (i.e. most
::current scientists) that they'll have to discount it.

Well, maybe it _is_ a threat to their mode of inquiry, but you have to
admit it's really hard to measure the amount of prayer or concentration,
etc. being focused on something!  Maybe the need expressed here for
scientific verification of an essentially non-scientific phenomenon speaks
louder than all the skeptics put together!

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Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:27:58 GMT
 
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