Health care up 7% in 2000! 
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 Health care up 7% in 2000!

With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
in prescription {*filter*}.)

Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

Wm King



Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:39:55 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!



Quote:

> With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
> Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> in prescription {*filter*}.)

> Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

Way to go patients - demand more and more until nothing is left.

--
CBI, MD



Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:32:32 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!

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>> With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
>> Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
>> in prescription {*filter*}.)

>> Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

>Way to go patients - demand more and more until nothing is left.

   This is what happens when you have something that is about 80% subsidized
and paid for by others.

Kurt (Who thinks we probably should try market forces in healthcare for once)
Ullman

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        Army Liason to the Office of Naval Contemplation



Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:29:43 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!



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> With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
> Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> in prescription {*filter*}.)

> Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

Since when do docs set the price of {*filter*} or hospital charges? Usually, they
do not even set their own fees -- they are negotiated with HMOs and
insurance companies.

All the best,

Wyle

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> Wm King



Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:17:44 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!

Quote:


> > With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
> > Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> > in prescription {*filter*}.)

> > Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

> Since when do docs set the price of {*filter*} or hospital charges? Usually, they
> do not even set their own fees -- they are negotiated with HMOs and
> insurance companies.

> All the best,

> Wyle

Docs prescribe and docs admit - as gatekeepers to access, one could
argue that utilization driven increases in health care expenditures
are in part their responsibility.  Considering that the majority of
the increase is utilization and not price driven...

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> > Wm King



Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:54:24 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!



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> > > With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is
3.38%,
> > > Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> > > in prescription {*filter*}.)

> > > Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

> > Since when do docs set the price of {*filter*} or hospital charges? Usually,
they
> > do not even set their own fees -- they are negotiated with HMOs and
> > insurance companies.

> > All the best,

> > Wyle

> Docs prescribe and docs admit - as gatekeepers to access, one could
> argue that utilization driven increases in health care expenditures
> are in part their responsibility.  Considering that the majority of
> the increase is utilization and not price driven...

One of the reasons why utilization is going up is that people are living
longer. Older people utilize health care services more. Another reason is
that people do not get enough excercise and eat too much. People who are fat
tend to use more care too (diabetes, increased cost of joint replacement,
heart disease, etc.).

All the best,

Wyle

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> > > Wm King



Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:27:08 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!


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> Docs prescribe and docs admit - as gatekeepers to access, one could
> argue that utilization driven increases in health care expenditures
> are in part their responsibility.  Considering that the majority of
> the increase is utilization and not price driven...

It is true the docs prescribe. Drug company influence is clearly a problem
as it seems that many expensive and marginally better brand name {*filter*} are
used instead of cheaper versions. Another part of the "problem" (in terms of
rising pharmacy use)  is that the population is getting older, and hence
sicker, and new research keeps proving the benefit of new {*filter*} (or new
benfits of old {*filter*}). Older people with more medical conditions are getting
more {*filter*} for each condition and more and more often they are expensive
brand names instead of generics.

I still say that another major problem is public demand for services.
Everyone wants an MRI for there sprained knees and backs. They want the new
once a day for 5 days antibiotic when the older one will do just fine (or
more often none will do just fine). They want to see the specialist of their
choice, not merely the one in network, when a generalist will do just as
well. They want "nothing but the best." Then they get peeved when they have
to dish out a $10 co-pay or actually have to pay a premium.

Certainly the docs can do more to hold down some of the cost but a lot is
not in their control. If one does not give the patient the referral/MRI/drug
they want then they go elsewhere.

--
CBI, MD



Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:38:49 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!
 LOL,

How much of the increase is in MD's fees????



Quote:

> With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
> Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> in prescription {*filter*}.)

> Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

> Wm King



Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:53:35 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!


Quote:

>With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
>Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
>in prescription {*filter*}.)

>Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

If I may quote an unnamed oncologist: "Bone marrow transplants are
expensive.  Morphine is cheap."

Ten years ago, you didn't have the choice.  There's nothing to stop
you from saying, don't bother, I'll just take the morphine and die.
It will help keep the rate of health care cost inflation down.



Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:56:28 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!

Quote:

> LOL,

>How much of the increase is in MD's fees????



>> With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
>> Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
>> in prescription {*filter*}.)

>> Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.

>> Wm King

I recently tried to re-subscribe to Kaiser-Permanente California, An HMO in
Western U.S. My Employer doesn't include health benefits, so I thought I'd
re-apply since I was covered by Kaiser throughout my childhood, through my
fathers job.

As of Jan 1, 2002, Kaiser's "personal care advantage" , including a dental
package was 168.00 a month.  I can't really justify the expense, with the little
money I get.

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Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:23:14 GMT
 Health care up 7% in 2000!

Quote:


> > With The inflation rate for the Unites States in the year 2000 is 3.38%,
> > Health care spendng was up 7%.  (included there in was 17.3% increase
> > in prescription {*filter*}.)

> > Way to go Docs, price us out of health care.




Quote:
> LOL,

> How much of the increase is in MD's fees????

Good question. Over-all physician fees make up about 10% of the total
healthcare costs. Over the last few years they have been rising less than
inflation and in the case of many procedures have been falling.

--
CBI, MD



Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:20:32 GMT
 
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