Medical, Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz"

Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz"

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Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #1 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Dear Dr. Utz, I have just received your email voicing your concerns about the harm (whether warranted or not) that may come to obese volunteers attempting to restrict their dietary intake to 2 pounds per day. The wording of your email was very vague so it has taken some time for me to figure out which of the many studies conducted by me actually was the source of your complaint. The only one that I have been conducting via a web site would be the LIGHT trial, so I will proceed to address your concerns. Because of the vagueness of your wording, I have rephrased things for the sake of clarity. I will now address these concerns: Concern #1: approved by any institutional review board and that he may be putting patients as risks." You probably mean: The LIGHT trial (comparing the 2 pound dieting technique with the AHA recommendations) has not received approval from Emory's Institutional Review Board (IRB). Response #1: The purpose of any IRB is to protect investigator(s), sponsoring institution(s), and volunteers from any unethical behavior. Because the LIGHT trial is sponsored by me (there are no sponsoring institutions), the Emory IRB is not an available resource for this non-Emory study. My conducting this study with my own personal resources means that only I am subject to liability exposure if someone perceives that they have been injured by following my diet recommendations. I am aware of this liability exposure and do feel that I minimize this by requiring that volunteers get approval from their primary physicians before participating and get follow up evaluations with the same physicians as they lose weight. Concern #2: of the study might be meaningless." You probably mean: The LIGHT trial may be under powered statistically to show a difference between the 2 pound diet versus the AHA diet recommendations. Response #2: It is the job of the investigator and not the IRB to make sure that a study has adequate power. A poorly designed study will typically not be published in a good peer reviewed journal. Concern #3: You probably mean: A poorly designed study by an Emory-trained physician could tarnish the fine reputation of Emory. Response #3: I thank you for your concern. Because poorly designed studies when published do more to tarnish the reputation of the publishing journal rather than the reputation of the investigator's Alma Mater, I would reassure you that your concern here is unfounded. Concern #4: You probably mean: Emory could be sued if someone feels they have been hurt by losing weight. Response #4: Thank you again for your concern about Emory's welfare. A few points should be made here: First, the LIGHT trial is funded solely by me and not Emory. Second, Emory has long ago distanced itself from being responsible for anything placed on the "personal" web page server (see disclaimer at http://www.**.com/ ) which has a "copy" of the study description. Third, Emory is not* described as being affiliated with the LIGHT trial. However, I assume these concerns of yours are legitimate particularly the perception of Emory support. For this reason alone, I am voluntarily discontinuing this study. Since there are probably many people on the Internet who, like you, are not reading the description of the LIGHT trial closely, I feel it is not worth my time to carry out an otherwise worthwhile study like this if there is this much opposition. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://www.*.com/ ~achung http://www..com/ http://www.**.com/ Quote: > Dear Sirs, > There is a researcher, Andrew Chung, who is using University > resources (at least University owned web services) to conduct a study on > obesity. I am concerned because I do not believe that this study has been > approved by any institutional review board and that he may be putting > patients as risks. Plus, if the study has not been properly designed, the > results of the study might be meaningless. All of this would tarnish the > fine reputation of Emory. In addition, it may put Emory at risk in a > lawsuit. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the situation. > Thanks. > Jeff Utz, M.D.
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:40:27 GMT

John 'the Man' #2 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > I have just received your email voicing your concerns about the harm > (whether warranted or not) that may come to obese volunteers attempting to > restrict their dietary intake to 2 pounds per day. Hee, ... hee! Next time, I bet you will avoid advertising on these newsgroups. Where all posts are likely to be attacked. Your orignial post was off topic. You should really have posted JUST in all the dieting support newsgroups. -- John Gohde, Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! Introducing the NEW www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. The correct logical URLs are now displayed. The URLs of the Links are now correct. Each page can now be REFRESHed & bookmarked The performance has been improved. And, the last vestiges of EGO have been removed. :-)
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:56:37 GMT

Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #3 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > I have just received your email voicing your concerns about the harm > > (whether warranted or not) that may come to obese volunteers attempting to > > restrict their dietary intake to 2 pounds per day. > Hee, ... hee! > Next time, I bet you will avoid advertising on these newsgroups. Where all > posts are likely to be attacked. I've been posting in these newsgroups for over 5 years. Quote: > Your orignial post was off topic. You should really have posted JUST in all > the dieting support newsgroups. not IMO. Quote: > -- > John Gohde, > Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! > Introducing the NEW www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. speaking of adverti{filter}t. By the way, for those following this thread... I can use your help in identifying Jeffrey P. Utz, MD. None of these addresses work on reverse look-up. Moreover there is no Jeffrey P. Utz in the directory at MCP Hahnemann University. There is no Jeffrey P. Utz, MD licensed to practice medicine in the state where MCP Hahnemann University resides. And, examining the hundreds of posts by "Dr. Utz," one gets the impression that there is an "imposter" who has been lurking about for quite some while. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://www.*.com/ ~achung http://www..com/ http://www.**.com/
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:55:27 GMT

D. C. Session #4 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > > I have just received your email voicing your concerns about the harm > > > (whether warranted or not) that may come to obese volunteers attempting to > > > restrict their dietary intake to 2 pounds per day. > > Hee, ... hee! > > Next time, I bet you will avoid advertising on these newsgroups. Where all > > posts are likely to be attacked. > I've been posting in these newsgroups for over 5 years. > > Your orignial post was off topic. You should really have posted JUST in all > > the dieting support newsgroups. > not IMO. > > -- > > John Gohde, > > Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! > > Introducing the NEW www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. > speaking of adverti{filter}t. > By the way, for those following this thread... I can use your help in > identifying Jeffrey P. Utz, MD. > None of these addresses work on reverse look-up. Thanks to spammers, almost every mailserver refuses to VRFY any more. This is meaninless. Quote: > Moreover there is no > Jeffrey P. Utz in the directory at MCP Hahnemann University. There is no > Jeffrey P. Utz, MD licensed to practice medicine in the state where MCP > Hahnemann University resides. And, examining the hundreds of posts by "Dr. > Utz," one gets the impression that there is an "imposter" who has been lurking > about for quite some while. Consider recent statements that the individual in question, one Jeffrey Peter Utz, is not at present engaged in the practice of medicine. -- \| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. \| \| Do you want to be a problem? \|
Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:19:04 GMT

Jeffrey Peter, M.D #5 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > > > I have just received your email voicing your concerns about the harm > > > > (whether warranted or not) that may come to obese volunteers attempting to > > > > restrict their dietary intake to 2 pounds per day. > > > Hee, ... hee! > > > Next time, I bet you will avoid advertising on these newsgroups. Where all > > > posts are likely to be attacked. > > I've been posting in these newsgroups for over 5 years. > > > Your orignial post was off topic. You should really have posted JUST in all > > > the dieting support newsgroups. > > not IMO. > > > -- > > > John Gohde, > > > Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science! > > > Introducing the NEW www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. > > speaking of adverti{filter}t. > > By the way, for those following this thread... I can use your help in > > identifying Jeffrey P. Utz, MD. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > > None of these addresses work on reverse look-up. > Thanks to spammers, almost every mailserver refuses to VRFY any > more. This is meaninless. > > Moreover there is no > > Jeffrey P. Utz in the directory at MCP Hahnemann University. There is no > > Jeffrey P. Utz, MD licensed to practice medicine in the state where MCP > > Hahnemann University resides. And, examining the hundreds of posts by "Dr. > > Utz," one gets the impression that there is an "imposter" who has been lurking > > about for quite some while. > Consider recent statements that the individual in question, one > Jeffrey Peter Utz, is not at present engaged in the practice of > medicine. That is correct. I no longer practice medicine. Quote: > -- > \| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. \| > \| Do you want to be a problem? \| Sent via Deja.com http://www.***.com/ Before you buy.
Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:24:46 GMT

Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #6 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > The topic of Obesity is certainly appropriate in this medical > newsgroup.Obesity > > is a primary cause of many of the health problems we treat today. > These include > > Diabetes, High {filter} Pressure and Heart Disease.We must start with > treating > > obesity before we can make any significant progress in treating these > other > > diseases. > This is correct. However, the studies to do this must be well designed > and the patients in them properly protected. I did not get the > impression that this was the case in the study. That is why I raised > the concerns I did. > I am sorry that Dr. Chung needs to attack me the way that he does, > however. > Jeff Utz I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are verifiably an M.D. is analogous to pulling the bedsheet off a Klansman who would certainly regard such an act as an "attack." I am sorry you feel the way you do about it. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://www.*.com/ ~achung http://www..com/ http://www.**.com/
Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:47:41 GMT

Roger Schlafl #7 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > verifiably an M.D. is analogous to pulling the bedsheet off a Klansman who > would certainly regard such an act as an "attack." It is true that when someone uses the "M.D." after what appears to be his name, he usually intends that it be a verifiable degree and he puts his name behind what he says.
Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:21:42 GMT

Beachhous #8 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Not to belabor this point any further... (and this is not meant as a personal attack -- only to clarify any potential misrepresentation). There is no record of a Dr. Utz in either the AMA (pennsylvania) or ABMS (nationwide) databases... (i.e., there's no record of there being a physician with your name... certainly not one who is board certified). Quote: > That is correct. I no longer practice medicine. > > -- > > \| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. \| > > \| Do you want to be a problem? \| > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:47:30 GMT

D. C. Session #9 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > > The topic of Obesity is certainly appropriate in this medical newsgroup.Obesity > > > is a primary cause of many of the health problems we treat today. These include > > > Diabetes, High {filter} Pressure and Heart Disease.We must start with treating > > > obesity before we can make any significant progress in treating these other > > > diseases. > > This is correct. However, the studies to do this must be well designed > > and the patients in them properly protected. I did not get the > > impression that this was the case in the study. That is why I raised > > the concerns I did. > > I am sorry that Dr. Chung needs to attack me the way that he does, > > however. > I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > verifiably an M.D. is analogous to pulling the bedsheet off a Klansman who > would certainly regard such an act as an "attack." > I am sorry you feel the way you do about it. Actually, it's mostly a waste of bandwidth. Not the 'net's bandwidth, mine. Usenet is an interesting medium, in many ways unique in human history. Here, for perhaps the first time ever, ANYONE can publish. The usual reasons for looking into a writer's CV (mainly limited space) largely disappear. All that matters -- repeat, ALL that matters -- is the words themselves, which can come from the greatest expert in the world, well-studied amateurs, utter charlatans, or total bozos. In the past there has been lip service for paying attention to the words instead of the speaker, but in Usenet it's absolutely necessary. ALL that matters is the words themselves. If they make sense, if they point you in interesting directions, if they make you realize that you've been overlooking a flaw in your reasoning, if they point out a reference to facts that you might be able to use, whatever. The speaker is irrelevant. Pay attention to the speech. -- \| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. \| \| Do you want to be a problem? \|
Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:55:18 GMT

Roger Schlafl #10 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > ? I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > ? verifiably an M.D. is analogous to ... > Usenet is an interesting medium, in many ways unique in human history. > Here, for perhaps the first time ever, ANYONE can publish. Yes, including charlatans. Quote: > The usual > reasons for looking into a writer's CV (mainly limited space) largely > disappear. All that matters -- repeat, ALL that matters -- is the > words themselves, which can come from the greatest expert in the world, > well-studied amateurs, utter charlatans, or total bozos. It is useful to distinguish experts from charlatans, and the net will not end that. Quote: > ALL that matters is the words themselves. Part of what Jeffrey is posting is "M.D." That says he is speaking with the authority of someone with a medical degree, and probably a physician. If that is a lie, then it is useful for someone to point that out.
Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:41:44 GMT

Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #11 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > > > The topic of Obesity is certainly appropriate in this medical > > > newsgroup.Obesity > > > > is a primary cause of many of the health problems we treat today. > > > These include > > > > Diabetes, High {filter} Pressure and Heart Disease.We must start with > > > treating > > > > obesity before we can make any significant progress in treating > these > > > other > > > > diseases. > > > This is correct. However, the studies to do this must be well > designed > > > and the patients in them properly protected. I did not get the > > > impression that this was the case in the study. That is why I raised > > > the concerns I did. > > > I am sorry that Dr. Chung needs to attack me the way that he does, > > > however. > > > Jeff Utz > > I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > > verifiably an M.D. is analogous to pulling the bedsheet off a > Klansman who > > would certainly regard such an act as an "attack." > Questioning expertise is fine. However, after getting a full > explanation of Dr. Utz's personal information, you choose to liken him > to a Klansman. Most curious. I chose to liken his reaction to having his identity revealed to the reaction a Klansman would have if his bedsheet were pulled. I agree that it is most curious. Quote: > > I am sorry you feel the way you do about it. > I read that ten times. I could read it one hundred. Howver, somehow, I > do not get the feeling that it truly reflects your opinion. Why? See > your first paragaph about Klansman. I truly am sorry that someone who may certainly have gotten an M.D. degree (can't verify it online though) could react the way Utz has reacted. It reflects poorly on others including myself who has gotten an M.D. degree. Perhaps, this is the reason Utz never became licensed to practice medicine. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://www.*.com/ ~achung http://www..com/ http://www.**.com/
Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:16:16 GMT

Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #12 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > > > The topic of Obesity is certainly appropriate in this medical newsgroup.Obesity > > > > is a primary cause of many of the health problems we treat today. These include > > > > Diabetes, High {filter} Pressure and Heart Disease.We must start with treating > > > > obesity before we can make any significant progress in treating these other > > > > diseases. > > > This is correct. However, the studies to do this must be well designed > > > and the patients in them properly protected. I did not get the > > > impression that this was the case in the study. That is why I raised > > > the concerns I did. > > > I am sorry that Dr. Chung needs to attack me the way that he does, > > > however. > > I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > > verifiably an M.D. is analogous to pulling the bedsheet off a Klansman who > > would certainly regard such an act as an "attack." > > I am sorry you feel the way you do about it. > Actually, it's mostly a waste of bandwidth. > Not the 'net's bandwidth, mine. > Usenet is an interesting medium, in many ways unique in human history. > Here, for perhaps the first time ever, ANYONE can publish. The usual > reasons for looking into a writer's CV (mainly limited space) largely > disappear. ...unless the writer makes specific claims with regards to his background or cites experience from specific training. Quote: > All that matters -- repeat, ALL that matters -- is the > words themselves, which can come from the greatest expert in the world, > well-studied amateurs, utter charlatans, or total bozos. ... and it is the right of readers to question these words and to question the source of these words. Let not the charlatan or bozo get away with claims of being an expert. Quote: > In the past > there has been lip service for paying attention to the words instead > of the speaker, but in Usenet it's absolutely necessary. not really. bozos and charlatans can post as much as they want... readers have and should continue to have the right to ignore them. Quote: > ALL that matters is the words themselves. If they make sense, if they > point you in interesting directions, if they make you realize that > you've been overlooking a flaw in your reasoning, if they point out > a reference to facts that you might be able to use, whatever. big IFS. Quote: > The speaker is irrelevant. Pay attention to the speech. I disagree... the identity of the speaker is highly relevant especially if that speaker adds a doctor or M.D. to his name. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://www.*.com/ ~achung http://www..com/ http://www.**.com/
Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:28:34 GMT

Andrew Chung, MD/Ph #13 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" Quote: > > ? I suppose raising concerns about your identity and whether you are > > ? verifiably an M.D. is analogous to ... > > Usenet is an interesting medium, in many ways unique in human history. > > Here, for perhaps the first time ever, ANYONE can publish. > Yes, including charlatans. > > The usual > > reasons for looking into a writer's CV (mainly limited space) largely > > disappear. All that matters -- repeat, ALL that matters -- is the > > words themselves, which can come from the greatest expert in the world, > > well-studied amateurs, utter charlatans, or total bozos. > It is useful to distinguish experts from charlatans, and the > net will not end that. > > ALL that matters is the words themselves. > Part of what Jeffrey is posting is "M.D." That says he is speaking > with the authority of someone with a medical degree, and probably > a physician. If that is a lie, then it is useful for someone to > point that out. I agree. -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~achung http://www.emory.edu/WHSC/MED/HTN/Andrew http://members.xoom.com/DrChung777
Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:30:31 GMT

Christopher Bio #14 / 23	Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz" [followups set] Quote: >There is no record of a Dr. Utz in either the AMA (pennsylvania) or ABMS >(nationwide) databases... (i.e., there's no record of there being a >physician with your name... certainly not one who is board certified). You are using the wrong reference source. Try a dictionary. Look under "pseudonym".
Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:32:36 GMT

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