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Hi all, I have a question:

Everyone has heard about "magnetic" devices such as belts, sandals, wrist straps
etc. that are worn about the body and are supposed to have healing effects just
by wearing them. I have heard of magnetic rings that are supposed to prevent
migrane headaches and belts that help reduce weight etc.
Do these things actually work and if so how? Or are they just another ripoff
product aimed at deceiving the public?
(I have seen entire stores dedicated to the sale of these things.)

Thanks.



Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:38:02 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

 > I have heard of magnetic rings that
 > are supposed to prevent
 > migrane headaches and belts that help reduce weight
 > etc.
   ^^^
 > Do these things actually work and if so how?

Maybe the etc works.  Certainly controversial.

 > Or are they just another ripoff
 > product aimed at deceiving the public?

All of the above.

John



Thu, 26 Jan 1995 13:22:00 GMT
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Quote:

>Everyone has heard about "magnetic" devices such as belts, sandals, wrist straps
>etc. that are worn about the body and are supposed to have healing effects just
>Do these things actually work and if so how? Or are they just another ripoff
>product aimed at deceiving the public?

x
Serious question: what do YOU think?
Serious question: why haven't you started out by asking your internist
for information.  (You should have an internist; if you don't, get one
and save future trouble...:=) )
x
x

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**Just say NO to HMOs**



Sat, 28 Jan 1995 00:02:09 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

Quote:

>Hi all, I have a question:

>Everyone has heard about "magnetic" devices such as belts, sandals, wrist straps
>etc. that are worn about the body and are supposed to have healing effects just
>by wearing them. I have heard of magnetic rings that are supposed to prevent
>migrane headaches and belts that help reduce weight etc.
>Do these things actually work and if so how? Or are they just another ripoff
>product aimed at deceiving the public?

They may work if you believe in them, but by and large they are
just another ripoff.

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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and

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Sat, 28 Jan 1995 00:25:07 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

Quote:

>Hi all, I have a question:
>Everyone has heard about "magnetic" devices such as belts, sandals, wrist straps
>etc. that are worn about the body and are supposed to have healing effects just
>by wearing them. I have heard of magnetic rings that are supposed to prevent
>migrane headaches and belts that help reduce weight etc.
>Do these things actually work and if so how? Or are they just another ripoff
>product aimed at deceiving the public?
>(I have seen entire stores dedicated to the sale of these things.)
>Thanks.

Well, if you believe the unsubstaciated claims of those involved in selling
the things (and the claims of those who have dumped money into them and now
must believe they work or admit they were conned) - maybe. You then are
likely to believe all the other medical and non-medical claims supported
by nothing more than folklore and user testimonial (crystals, homeopathy,
horoscopes, dowsing for water, etc. etc. etc.)

Is there any scientific, controlled, studies showing effect - NO
Is there a currently accepted theory that supports it - NO
Do the arguements/theories put forward for how they work demonstrate
any understanding of science - NO (none that I've seen)

On the positive side, if the jewlery and belts look good, why not give
it a try? If it makes you feel better about yourself - terrific (just
don't stop any traditional medicical treatments, no matter what the
seller of the stuff claims). There is no research (that I know of) that
shows low level magnetic field exposure has any long or short term
negative effects.


Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.



Sun, 29 Jan 1995 02:29:31 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy
I believe there's some justification for using magnetic fields in some areas,
but to achieve any results, they have to be strong, and  these devices being
offered  are way too low powered.....
As an example, I have heard of  bone regeneration being accelerated where
the complete limb is placed in a coil and subjected to high power magnetic
fields.  No way will you get a comparable field from a permament magnet.

RaF



Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:22:27 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy


 z> Everyone has heard about "magnetic" devices such
 z> as belts, sandals, wrist straps
 z> etc. that are worn about the body and are supposed
 z> to have healing effects just
 z> by wearing them. I have heard of magnetic rings
 z> that are supposed to prevent
 z> migrane headaches and belts that help reduce weight etc.
 z> Do these things actually work and if so how? Or
 z> are they just another ripoff
 z> product aimed at deceiving the public?
 z> (I have seen entire stores dedicated to the sale of these things.)

They are most certainly a ripoff. And for some people, they are lethal.
(They can turn off a pacemaker, or alter it's programming).

--  



Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:59:33 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

Quote:


>> Is there any scientific, controlled, studies showing effect - NO

>I've seen a controlled study of magnetized beds at two hospitals in Japan.
>Subjects on magnetized matresses recovered from back pain faster than
>subjects on normal matresses. I don't have a citation for the study. :-(

Gee, in which plane is the B-field oriented?  Up through the patients chest?
Along the length of the patient?  And are we talking steady state fields?
AC?  (If so, what frequency?)

Quote:
>> Is there a currently accepted theory that supports it - NO

>There are several competing theories though: increased {*filter*} flow, quantum
>interactions, magnetic resonance (w/ electric field), vibration of electron
>orbits shifted off their axis, hall effect...

Um, those don't sound like theories to me, they sound like effects of magnetic
fields on things in the body (other than "increased {*filter*} flow," and you have
to find a reason for that).  Hopefully your competing theories explain
WHY these effects promote healing!

I should also point out to you that many of these effects are self referenced...
quantum mechanics (interactions) govern electron "vibrations", and
the movement of the electrons creates magnetic fields, from which the hall
effect is a direct consequence.  (Although it's certainly useful to categorize
cause and effect at the highest physical level possible, e.g., someone
designing relays doesn't have to worry about the atomic physics or quantum
mechanics...)

Well, guess it's time we start feeding people cow magnets. :-)  Or maybe I'll
just go wrap my hand around a big transformer core. :-)

                                                ---Joel Kolstad



Sun, 05 Feb 1995 22:50:38 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

Quote:
> Is there any scientific, controlled, studies showing effect - NO

I've seen a controlled study of magnetized beds at two hospitals in Japan.
Subjects on magnetized matresses recovered from back pain faster than
subjects on normal matresses. I don't have a citation for the study. :-(

Quote:
> Is there a currently accepted theory that supports it - NO

There are several competing theories though: increased {*filter*} flow, quantum
interactions, magnetic resonance (w/ electric field), vibration of electron
orbits shifted off their axis, hall effect...


Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:32:18 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

[ ... "Magnetic beds speed healing" ... ]

Quote:
>>There are several competing theories though: increased {*filter*} flow, quantum
>>interactions, magnetic resonance (w/ electric field), vibration of electron
>>orbits shifted off their axis, hall effect...

>Um, those don't sound like theories to me, they sound like effects of magnetic
>fields on things in the body (other than "increased {*filter*} flow," and you have
>to find a reason for that).  Hopefully your competing theories explain
>WHY these effects promote healing!

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Mon, 06 Feb 1995 05:29:28 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy

Quote:


> >> Is there any scientific, controlled, studies showing effect - NO

> >I've seen a controlled study of magnetized beds at two hospitals in Japan.
> >Subjects on magnetized matresses recovered from back pain faster than
> >subjects on normal matresses. I don't have a citation for the study. :-(
> Gee, in which plane is the B-field oriented?  Up through the patients chest?
> Along the length of the patient?  And are we talking steady state fields?
> AC?  (If so, what frequency?)

Steady state. Many small magnets are in the matress; one pole pointing up, the
other down.


Mon, 06 Feb 1995 06:54:33 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy


Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 Magnetic Therapy


 <> I believe there's some justification for using
 <> magnetic fields in some areas,
 <> but to achieve any results, they have to be
 <> strong, and  these devices being
 <> offered  are way too low powered.....
 <> As an example, I have heard of  bone regeneration
 <> being accelerated where
 <> the complete limb is placed in a coil and
 <> subjected to high power magnetic
 <> fields.  No way will you get a comparable field
 <> from a permament magnet.

A Study conduted at Temple University Hospital (Dr. Greenstein, M.D.),
Department of Neurology using (pulsed and varied frequency electromagnets
) for the investigational use in pain control was found to have no therapeutic
value.

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Sun, 05 Feb 1995 09:52:30 GMT
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT
 
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