For the last week and a half she has felt like she can't get enough air.  She
has to keep taking DEEP sighing breaths, which still don't feel to her like
they fill her lungs all the way up.  She feels like there's something pushing
underneath the bottom of her sternum, preventing her from taking a deep breath.
No other symptoms except dyspnea on mild exercise (not usual for her; she's a
lettered varsity volleyball player).

Needless to say, she's already been to the ER once, & since then has seen
clinic docs twice, a nurse-practitioner, a respiratory specialist & has missed
a bunch of school doing it.  {*filter*} oxygen is normal, lung capacity is normal,
chest x-rays are normal.  Tentatively tried on proventil, both inhaled & {*filter*}
forms; ineffective, so discontinued & asthma ruled out.  Gets progressively
worse over course of the day but she wakes up better.  Worse after eating. She
had the same thing once about ten years ago, but it went away & she hasn't
experienced since until now.

No diagnosis yet.  Frustrating & uncomfortable.  Prevents her from playing
sports or clarinet & from singing (all of which she likes to do).  More
appointments scheduled.  But so far one Big Zero.

Anyone got any guesses or thoughts?  She thinks this is all a Big Drag.

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Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

Date Entered: 03-29-93 01:36

R >  My daughter (17) wants to know:
R >  
R >  For the last week and a half she has felt like she can't get enough air.  She
R >  has to keep taking DEEP sighing breaths, which still don't feel to her like
R >  they fill her lungs all the way up.  She feels like there's something pushing
R >  underneath the bottom of her sternum, preventing her from taking a deep breath.
R >  No other symptoms except dyspnea on mild exercise (not usual for her; she's a
R >  lettered varsity volleyball player).
R >  
R >  Needless to say, she's already been to the ER once, & since then has seen
R >  clinic docs twice, a nurse-practitioner, a respiratory specialist & has missed
R >  a bunch of school doing it.  {*filter*} oxygen is normal, lung capacity is normal,
R >  chest x-rays are normal.  Tentatively tried on proventil, both inhaled & {*filter*}
R >  forms; ineffective, so discontinued & asthma ruled out.  Gets progressively
R >  worse over course of the day but she wakes up better.  Worse after eating. She
R >  had the same thing once about ten years ago, but it went away & she hasn't
R >  experienced since until now.
R >  
R >  No diagnosis yet.  Frustrating & uncomfortable.  Prevents her from playing
R >  sports or clarinet & from singing (all of which she likes to do).  More
R >  appointments scheduled.  But so far one Big Zero.
R >  
R >  Anyone got any guesses or thoughts?  She thinks this is all a Big Drag.
R >  
R >  ------------------------

R >  Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

 Considering all the above that has already been done for her, I'd try
 adjusting T-3 in her upper back. If out of alignment, it can give her
 some sort of air hunger or even *symptoms* of asthma. It may also ex-
 plain the problem appearing and disappearing for no reason.

 While other spinal segments can be aligned at times using minerals,
 T-3 has so far defied those attempts and I have to rely on either
 having a patient's family member 'walk' on their upper back (using
 someone around 80 to 100 pounds for an average, healthy 17 year-old
 girl), or, not being a chiropractor myself, I may send them to one.

 T-3 has a direct effect on the lungs, while T-4 (pericardium) and
 T-5 (heart) may be considered as well. These however, and other
 possible causes (low sodium, protein metabolism, etc...), would be
 best corrected after being established through an appropriate test.

  --Ron--
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Well, some appropriate comments have already been made by someone
signing with a DC, so there's not much more to say except that I guess
I know of at least one chiropractor ronroth won't be sending any
patients to.

But I had a vision . . .

| While other spinal segments can be aligned at times using minerals,

                   . . . of ronroth banging away on someone's spine
with a chunk of chromium salt to realign a vertebra.  Another chuckle
for today.

        /J

L(>  Well, some appropriate comments have already been made by someone
L(>  signing with a DC, so there's not much more to say except that I guess
L(>  I know of at least one chiropractor Ron Roth won't be sending any
L(>  patients to.

     You may have a point there. It *would* be pretty awkward to send
     an instructions manual along with the patient...

L(>  But I had a vision . . .

     Most MDs do; it's outlined in IS.14:14:  "I will ascend
     above the clouds; I will be like the most High."

L(>  | While other spinal segments can be aligned at times using minerals,

     Well, I hate to see people running to a chiropractor two or
     three times a week through half a lifetime in order to have the
     same area adjusted over and over again, so I usually try to align
     their vertebrae more permanently using the appropriate chemical
     support.
     While that technique works on most of the other areas of the
     spine, I haven't found a match yet for T-3, so I have to rely
     on a manual adjustment. Of course if it was someone in my own
     family, I'd just use my foot and step on it...

L(>  . . . of Ron Roth banging away on someone's spine with a chunk of
L(>  chromium salt to realign a vertebra.  Another chuckle for today.
L(>  
L(>          /J

     You're reading to many *scientific* medical fables; that's not
     quite how it's done.
     The test that I run gives me a profile of a person's chemistry
     and the alignment of all T, L and S vertebrae. Over many years
     of correcting people's mineral patterns, I couldn't help noticing
     that normalizing someone's chemistry also seemed to many times
     correct their spinal alignment problems. Conferring with a number
     of chiropractors and sending patients both ways after manual and
     mineral adjustments, and comparing data and results has confirmed
     that it is possible to do just that.

     While there is no "Western" explanation for that phenomenon, the
     rules and laws used with the acupuncture system not only confirm
     the relationship, but also helped to provide the basis of putting
     everything together into a workable system.

     When Ruth Ginzberg outlined her daughter's medical condition and
     all the many tests that she's already had, I offered merely the
     *SUGGESTION* of trying T-3, since I have had several cases where
     manipulating that vertebra corrected the exact same problem, and
     it could have been a safe, simple and FREE endeavor to possibly
     help her daughter's condition.
     If it didn't correct the problem, so what; it was worth a try!
     Also, there was *NO* suggestion implied that this particular
     approach was to be the *preferred* choice of treatment.

     (The above paragraph is more or less in response to that DC's
     iteration of keeping *scientific* and *non-scientific* medicine
     apart. While I would go along with that, I also believe that
     if ANYTHING does really work, it's scientific enough for me to
     offer it to anyone who wants to take advantage of it!
     Some of his comments though made me wonder if he's related to the
     three wise men of sci.med, or perhaps he wants to become one of
     them - white curly wig and all --- Good Luck!)

     In the usual clinical setting, I wouldn't have to *GUESS*, but
     instead just run my test and with a fairly high probability tell
     her of whether the cause was spinal, organic or chemical...

       --Ron--
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  BTW Ron, I here that the crops in Salem really grew better the year
after they burned the witches.  I guess that "really worked".

  I see now why you've ignored all public and private requests for data.

I always thought that they were pretty firmly attached to the pelvis and to
each other.

-dk