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Gerry Rost #1 / 11
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I know, I know... these may not be appropriate newsgroups, but they are the best I could find. After reading this, if you can suggest others groups, PLEASE do so! Here's the story: My SO is hard of hearing and has been for most of her life. Recently, she went to two different practitioners, the first, a salesman for Miracle Ear and the second, a doctor who dispenses hearing aids as needed. They both agree on her problem: She has nerve damage that makes it difficult for her to hear high frequency sounds. This is a very common pattern for hearing loss. The damage is nerver damage only, ther appears to be no conductive loss. This is where they disagree: The Miracle ear guy told her that his product can selectively amplify different frequencies. That is, in her case, the low frequencies would not be altered, but the high frequencies would be amplified. This would help compensate for her problem. He "rigged" up his testing machine to simulate how the aids would work and my SO reported that the results were amazing. The second doctor told her that in her case, she needed a hearing aid, such as the one described above, but that they don't exist! He said that the only type on the market were straight amplifiers, and in her case, they'd be useless. Now, as an engineer, I know that the technology for a selectively amplified hearing aid is not difficult. So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed. --
Field Robotics Center, | Christian churches, is the study of Carnegie Mellon University | nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests Pittsburgh, PA, 15213 | on no principles; it proceeds by no (412) 268-3856 | authority; it has no data; it can | demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no The opinions expressed are mine | conclusion. Thomas Paine and do not reflect the official | position of CMU, FRC, RedZone, | or any other organization. |
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Mon, 05 Jun 1995 01:55:46 GMT |
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Gordon Coug #2 / 11
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>Here's the story: My SO is hard of hearing and has been for most of >They both agree on her problem: She has nerve damage that makes it >difficult for her to hear high frequency sounds. This is a very >common pattern for hearing loss. The damage is nerver damage only, >ther appears to be no conductive loss. >This is where they disagree: The Miracle ear guy told her that his >product can selectively amplify different frequencies. That is, in >her case, the low frequencies would not be altered, but the high >frequencies would be amplified. This would help compensate for her >problem. He "rigged" up his testing machine to simulate how the aids >would work and my SO reported that the results were amazing. >The second doctor told her that in her case, she needed a hearing aid, >such as the one described above, but that they don't exist! He said >that the only type on the market were straight amplifiers, and in her >case, they'd be useless. Now, as an engineer, I know that the >technology for a selectively amplified hearing aid is not difficult. >So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear >hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, >or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any >information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed.
My father wears the Miracle ear type that can be be adjusted to hipass I am sure and band pass I think. He bought his for around $300.00. If you are intereseted you can call him at 512-758-7055 or if he is not there try 405 335-2855. His name is Gordon Couger, Sr. Good luck Gordon Gordon Couger AB5Dg Agriculture Engineering Oklahoma State University
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Mon, 05 Jun 1995 13:18:58 GMT |
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Eric Pep #3 / 11
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Quote: Roston) writes: > So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear > hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, > or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any > information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed.
The second practitioner is incorrect. The first practitioner may or may not be correct. There do exist equalizing hearing aids. I own one. It's a behind-the-ear jobbie about 15 years old that was owned by my grandmother. No integrated circuits, so the circuit is fairly easy to trace if you're nearsighted. The equalization control is fairly crude, consisting of fixed filters that are selected when the hearing aid is being built. It's obviously going to be a rough approximation of any particular hearing pattern. Whether Miracle Ear does this or not, I cannot say. However, the assertion that there are no hearing aids on the market with EQ is false.
Florida State University SPAN: scri::pepke
Disclaimer: My employers seldom even LISTEN to my opinions. Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
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Tue, 06 Jun 1995 00:38:32 GMT |
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Miriam Cliffo #4 / 11
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As a person with fairly severe 'nerve' hearing loss, who uses two aids, I'd like to comment on the original message. The MD who said that hearing aids wouldn't work was wrong. They can't restore normal hearing, but they sure as the devil help many with nerve deafness hear better. They do need to be fitted to the individual's loss and, therefore, chosen carefully. The Miracle Ear salesperson represents one of the 'rip-off' hearing aid outfits. The goal of Miracle Ear appears to be to sell the most expensive aid possible, with little attention to how well it does the job for the person being fitted. One apparently gets the aid that costs, not the aid that works well for him/her. I would suggest that you consult a good audiologist--preferrably one in a University or medical school speech and hearing clinic. Excellent information about aids (and other information about hearing loss) can be obtained from Self Help for Hard of Hearing People, 7800 Wisconsin Ave, Bethesda, MD. Or query me via e-mail or phone if you wish.
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821 --
Mimi Clifford, 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705, 919-489-4821
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Thu, 08 Jun 1995 21:11:18 GMT |
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Kenneth Freem #5 / 11
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> I know, I know... these may not be appropriate newsgroups, but they > are the best I could find. After reading this, if you can suggest > others groups, PLEASE do so! > Here's the story: My SO is hard of hearing and has been for most of > her life. Recently, she went to two different practitioners, the > first, a salesman for Miracle Ear and the second, a doctor who > dispenses hearing aids as needed. > They both agree on her problem: She has nerve damage that makes it > difficult for her to hear high frequency sounds. This is a very > common pattern for hearing loss. The damage is nerver damage only, > ther appears to be no conductive loss. > This is where they disagree: The Miracle ear guy told her that his > product can selectively amplify different frequencies. That is, in > her case, the low frequencies would not be altered, but the high > frequencies would be amplified. This would help compensate for her > problem. He "rigged" up his testing machine to simulate how the aids > would work and my SO reported that the results were amazing. > The second doctor told her that in her case, she needed a hearing aid, > such as the one described above, but that they don't exist! He said > that the only type on the market were straight amplifiers, and in her > case, they'd be useless. Now, as an engineer, I know that the > technology for a selectively amplified hearing aid is not difficult. > So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear > hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, > or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any > information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed. > --
> Field Robotics Center, | Christian churches, is the study of > Carnegie Mellon University | nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests > Pittsburgh, PA, 15213 | on no principles; it proceeds by no > (412) 268-3856 | authority; it has no data; it can > | demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no > The opinions expressed are mine | conclusion. Thomas Paine > and do not reflect the official | > position of CMU, FRC, RedZone, | > or any other organization. |
Amazing. I've had profound nerve-deafness since birth. The technology does exist to correct such hearing loss; I know, because the two Phonaks I'm wearing are ideal for me. Your SO definitely needs a competent audiologist and hearing aid dispenser; I found a superb professional, one and the same, after doing some library research. The Phonaks have band-width and gain controls which, once set, correct my deafness. Good luck with your search; let me know how it goes. --
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The Hepbu #6 / 11
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|> |> So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear |> hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, |> or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any |> information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed. |> I've just recently gone through what you're SO is experiencing. My hearing drops off to 80 db above 2Khz. I went to several dispensers and was told that canal-type aids would work, or would not work, depending on what type of aid that particular dispenser was pushing. I narrowed my options down to Miracle Ear and NuEar (the Roy Rogers one!). They both seemed to work fine in their simulation and I bought Miracle Ear because they were cheaper ($2400 for both ears! OUCH!!!). I can attest that they do work! I am now hearing things that I never even knew I was missing! Imagine turning on your stereo and then turning the treble down all the way and the bass up all the way; that's what I hear without the aids. They do indeed amplify the high frequencies without touching the lows. I'm not a rep for Miracle Ear; just a mighty happy customer; I say give them a try! -- Alan Hepburn "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know National Semiconductor what you have just found out." Santa Clara, Ca
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Wed, 07 Jun 1995 03:38:18 GMT |
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Mark Fu #8 / 11
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This issue has come up a few times in the last couple of years, so perhaps it is time for an FAQ entry. The following information is courtesy of my wife, a speech pathologist, who had to train with audiologists and sometimes has to administer hearing tests in her line of work: NEVER buy a hearing aid from a dealer. They are only interested in selling you something expensive, and they are not qualified to prescribe an aid. If you have a hearing problem, you should discuss it with your doctor and possibly an ENT doctor (otolaryngologist), in order to rule out any treatable causes. Most likely there will not be anything they can do; they should refer you to an audiologist. Many ENTs have an audiologist working in their office. You want to see an audiologist with certification from the American Speech, Language, and Hearing Association (ASHA), in the US and Canada; I do not know the names of other national certification bodies. The audiologist will spend around half an hour testing your hearing in a sound-proof booth. She will also take molds of your ears for the aid. At the time of your visit, you should make an appointment for a followup a few weeks after you get your aid. The followup visit is part of the original audiologist's fee, so don't skip it in order to save a few bucks; you won't save anything and you will miss a chance for a potentially important adjustment. Why should you bother? 1) Modern aids are quite complicated; they can selectively filter, boost, and shift frequencies. They are at least as complicated as glasses; an ill-fitted aid can be worse then no aid at all. 2) Human ears all suffer from a curious defect: the threshold for permanent damage is well below the threshold for pain (90 dB versus 110 dB). In a person with a hearing problem, a level of sound that damages the ears may not even seem very loud. A badly-adjusted aid can produce damaging sound levels, and a badly made ear mold can allow audio feedback, which can easily reach damaging, even extremely painful, levels. 3) If a pair of glasses fits very badly, the patient quickly notices and returns to the optometrist. Unfortunately, a badly fitted hearing aid can do a great deal of harm long before the patient notices. 4) In New York, and some other states, audiologists are allowed to sell the hearing aid they prescribe. The selling price is equal to the audiologist's purchase price, so no profit is made on the transaction (actually, given the carrying costs, the audiologist loses money). If your state allows this, you should definitely get your aid from the audiologist; going to a dealer costs more and the dealer may try to pass off an aid that pays a higher profit margin, saying that it's obviously better, being more expensive. Repeated experiences of dealers misfilling prescriptions is the reason for the New York law. If you have to go to a dealer to get your prescription filled, insist that it be filled exactly as written, and make an appointment with the audiologist for an adjustment ASAP. ---------- And a note on "nerve deafness:" So-called "nerve deafness" is usually the result of damage, not to nerves, but to the hair cells of the cochlea. These cells run in a line in the inside of the cochlear spiral; the _basilar membrane_ extends from the other side of the tube to lie against them. Vibrations in the cochlea push the membrane, which pushes the hairs (cilia), which cause the hair cells to develop potentials that are passed on to the auditory neurons. Very loud sounds cause the basilar membrane to shear off the hairs; unfortunately, the hair cells never grow new hairs. Some infections (measles, sometimes) can also destroy the hair cells. The usual cause of hearing loss in the hearing population is noise-induced damage to the hair cells. Sensitivity to the higher frequencies is most hurt; people with this loss often have trouble distinguishing among fricatives (s, f, soft th) and unvoiced stops (p, t, k). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester
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Fri, 19 Jun 1992 00:00:00 GMT |
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Rolf Mei #10 / 11
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>The second doctor told her that in her case, she needed a hearing aid, >such as the one described above, but that they don't exist! He said >that the only type on the market were straight amplifiers, and in her >case, they'd be useless. Now, as an engineer, I know that the >technology for a selectively amplified hearing aid is not difficult. >So the question is this: Who's telling the truth? Do Miracle Ear >hearing aids work as advertised? Is the second practitioner correct, >or is he "jealous" of a technology not available to him? Any >information, including personal anecdotes, are welcomed.
A hearing-impaired colleague informs me that frequency-equalized hearing aids have been state-of-the-art for many years. He had his hearing analyzed and the proper correction was implemented in his hearing aid. As with most hearing-impaired, his response at the low frequencies is almost normal. On the matter of the cause of the impairment, my understanding was that it is commonly due to damage (or improper development) of the little hairs that pick up vibrations in that little shell-shaped thing (I forget the name). If the nerves were damaged, no amount of amplification would get the signal to the brain. __________________________________________________________________ Rolf Meier Mitel Corporation
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Sun, 11 Jun 1995 01:47:00 GMT |
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Len Howa #11 / 11
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Hi Rolf, I figure you might like a first person validation. I am currently using hearing aids that selectively boost frequencies over 2000 in proportion to my loss (-90 db at 4000) while leaving the lower frequencies unaffected. Sound comes thru the aid in a direct path as well as thru the circuit so I hear the lower frequencies un-amplified. I have acoustic trauma from 25 years of skeet and pistol shooting (much done before the knowledge of what damage it does) with the addetive affect of presbyacusis (normal hearing loss of aging.) All I can tell you is now I can understand conversations in noisy background areas, understand what a person 15 feet away in a committee meeting is saying, and not have to ask every OR nurse to repeat the question. One needs to see a registered audiologist who keeps up to date with latest techniques, and also see a otolaryngologist that is up to date on hearing aids in the first place. The technology is rapidly changing......thank God. Merry Christmas, Rolf Len Howard
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